Discussion thread: Detective Conan 1000-1005

[estuputri]

Yeyy finally meet Shinichi...
I'm waiting Sera to talk to Shinichi, I'm courious about what happened to Sera's mom..

[blackmoon]

Yeah, another case in the "RUM" Arc that seemingly is not related and has nothing to do with "RUM." I'm betting that we probably won't get to know RUM's true identity even after another 1000 cases. What's *new* in this file? Yet another murder and another word cipher... well, unless you consider "cipher" and "decipher" as RUM's interest... maybe he\she likes to play word puzzle games like professor Agasa? Maybe he\she was professor Agasa's colleague? Yawn...

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[k11chi]

Yeah, another case in the "RUM" Arc that seemingly is not related and has nothing to do with "RUM." I'm betting that we probably won't get to know RUM's true identity even after another 1000 cases. What's *new* in this file? Yet another murder and another word cipher... well, unless you consider "cipher" and "decipher" as RUM's interest... maybe he\she likes to play word puzzle games like professor Agasa? Maybe he\she was professor Agasa's colleague? Yawn...

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Repeating the name of the arc doesn't change the name or genre of the series, rofl.

[Nemomon]

I hope that Sera's "do you remember me" has some deeper meaning, and was not there to show that ever Seta can talk. But if Shinichi really remembers that, for how long do You think he remembers that? Since the flashback scene, or maybe he already remembered it even before it? I ask, because I still have no idea how Conan managed to convince Akai to work with himself in the hospital during the Clash... arc, unless he already was aware that they already know each other and told that to Akai. But then again, if this is the truth, Akai wouldn't need to confirm Shinichi's identity back in the Cold case... unless he wanted to make sure if Conan back then really told him the truth.

[yourereadingthis]

I hope that Sera's "do you remember me" has some deeper meaning, and was not there to show that ever Seta can talk. But if Shinichi really remembers that, for how long do You think he remembers that? Since the flashback scene, or maybe he already remembered it even before it? I ask, because I still have no idea how Conan managed to convince Akai to work with himself in the hospital during the Clash... arc, unless he already was aware that they already know each other and told that to Akai. But then again, if this is the truth, Akai wouldn't need to confirm Shinichi's identity back in the Cold case... unless he wanted to make sure if Conan back then really told him the truth.

I'm not quite sure whether you already think this, but to me, the "obvious" meaning of the conversation is that Sera was doubtful of who this Shinichi is, since she knows Conan is Shinichi and she didn't know that Shinichi can revert back to teenager form via the antidote. Her question "do you remember me?" was a test to see whether he really is Shinichi by getting him to recall their shared memory. I'm not too sure about Sera questioning the 10 years ago bit. Nevertheless I'm fairly certain that she thinks that Shinichi is really Shinichi and thus deduced the existence of the antidote. An alternate explanation although crazy...

Spoiler:

there's a possibility that she thinks Shinichi is Kaitou Kid in disguise and is playing along. Then she'll ruin the ShinRan moment *groan*

[MeiTanteixX]

I'm not too sure about Sera questioning the 10 years ago bit. Nevertheless I'm fairly certain that she thinks that Shinichi is really Shinichi and thus deduced the existence of the antidote.

She was questioning if they really met 10 years the last time they saw each other(which is her implying that she thinks they met recently).

[Nemomon]

I hope that Sera's "do you remember me" has some deeper meaning, and was not there to show that ever Seta can talk. But if Shinichi really remembers that, for how long do You think he remembers that? Since the flashback scene, or maybe he already remembered it even before it? I ask, because I still have no idea how Conan managed to convince Akai to work with himself in the hospital during the Clash... arc, unless he already was aware that they already know each other and told that to Akai. But then again, if this is the truth, Akai wouldn't need to confirm Shinichi's identity back in the Cold case... unless he wanted to make sure if Conan back then really told him the truth.

I'm not quite sure whether you already think this, but to me, the "obvious" meaning of the conversation is that Sera was doubtful of who this Shinichi is, since she knows Conan is Shinichi and she didn't know that Shinichi can revert back to teenager form via the antidote. Her question "do you remember me?" was a test to see whether he really is Shinichi by getting him to recall their shared memory. I'm not too sure about Sera questioning the 10 years ago bit. Nevertheless I'm fairly certain that she thinks that Shinichi is really Shinichi and thus deduced the existence of the antidote. An alternate explanation although crazy...

Spoiler:

there's a possibility that she thinks Shinichi is Kaitou Kid in disguise and is playing along. Then she'll ruin the ShinRan moment *groan*

Yeah, that's the point. It could be very hard and difficult to remember a single meeting that happened 10 years ago especially that back then they both were kids, and adults (or almost adults) barely remember their childhood. The most obvious and best answer should be "no, I don't remembet you, who are you again?". The answer "yes" is suspicious, because if that Shinichi would be an imposter, they would think that the original Shinichi met that girl a year or two ago in some other place, and since that girl asks about remembering me, confirming remembering would be the best bet. Another note woth mentioning is that Sera doesn't know Vermouth (and doesn't know that Conan and Kid are kinda allies in the movies that nota bene are not canon, therefore officially Kid doesn't that that the kid chasing him is Shinichi), so she doesn't know that out there there is a person that perfectly can mimic another person.

Too bad this is too deep for DC, and as You say now Sera knows that there is a way to turn back to an adult form.

[jason342]

I'm still wondering why mary doesn't want masumi to trust shinchi yet and why she said " he's not the same boy we met 10 years ago"?. Perhaps she can sense that he is in a really bad predicament with the BO and she doesn't want to inflame both of their situations by involving him, still i hope masumi can talk to shinchi more about their past and the antidote.

[yourereadingthis]

I'm still wondering why mary doesn't want masumi to trust shinchi yet and why she said " he's not the same boy we met 10 years ago"?. Perhaps she can sense that he is in a really bad predicament with the BO and she doesn't want to inflame both of their situations by involving him, still i hope masumi can talk to shinchi more about their past and the antidote.

I reckon she's slightly paranoid, but also thinks Conan has a recklessness about him, especially when it comes to taking down the B.O..
Overall concerning Masumi and Mary, their story feels it has been artificially prolonged with the lack of progression e.g. still no conversation, at the very least, between Sera and Conan even though both of them know each other's true identities and want to have a meeting with Mary. Gosho also teased us with a another reason why Masumi calls Shinichi a wizard but I'm not having any high hopes for anything super significant.

[Kor]

1001 spoilers coming from Jecka.

Spoiler:

Jecka: A manga translator of mine says it's implied that this arc will be pretty long

THERE'S A TENGU

Umm half of it is shenanigans feat Heiji

Case stuff, room stuff, Haibara explaining the pills stuff, Heiji, "A CASE!", Heiji is officially part of this now, Which means Supernatur- Tengu

Shinichi's pill is wearing off, so Heiji steps in to make it seem like Shinichi is still collapsed in bed but actually falls asleep. Shinichi takes another pill, gets a text, wakes Heiji off and away they go.

THE CHIMPMUNK INSPECTOR

HE'S IN

Sera's on 4 pages, then one panel on page 10

she meets Mr. chipmunk

Jecka: "So the title is "The Crimson Demon". The drug lasts for 8 hours, and Haibara makes him promise not to do anything that'll make him stand out."

"The reason why Hattori has to get involved is because Conan *can't* take the next one right away. He has to wait a bit between each dose."

Also there's no break after 1001, so 1002 will be officially released on the 30th.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

File 1,001 is now out—all 16 pages of it. Wonder if this'll be happening as long as this case lasts—nearly a year ago, the Akai family flashback case bucked the trends of how spoilers usually came out, too.

Summary (from the Red Thread FaceBook page):

Spoiler:

Apparently that "mysterious guy" is Heiji, Shinichi asked him to come along to the trip to cover for him.
Haibara's advice for the antidote 1. Once the effect wears off do not take the second one until eight hours later 2. During that time don't let anyone see you 3. Don't be too noticeable as Kudo Shinichi 4. Don't do anything too intimate.
She actually only listed 3, but she added the last "intimate" warning, and when Conan asked her why was there a fourth note and what it meant she said "whatever on the fourth note, just follow the first three" and blushed.
Shinichi's roommate:"tell us about your London confession did you and Mouri kissed?" Heiji with the voice changing bow tie covering for Shinichi "of course! I did everything!"

As for my thoughts on the development of the case...

Spoiler:

Someone gets attacked/spooked, but not killed? Does that mean the victim of this non-lethal encounter isn't a victim at all (File 20–File 26/Episode 22–Episode 23; File 734–File 740/Episode 611–Episode 613; File 872–File 875/Episode 754–Episode 756), but actually the culprit, who set the encounter up as part of their plan? It'd be very in line with Gosho's approach for the longer cases. Unless he did set up the goblin "attack," but wasn't the murderer—though I consider that possibility doubtful—either way, we'll have to see if File 1,002 makes this a serial murder case... and if Mr. Composer will be the next murder victim or not. If he is killed next file, then I'll shift back to my original prediction—that Keiko is the killer. If he's not killed next file, then I'll maintain that he's the killer.

And welcome, Inspector Ayanokoji—a movie character has graduated to manga canon for the second case in a row. Masumi's reaction to his squirrel was priceless.

[Misztina]

For File 1001:

Spoiler:

It was a much better chapter than 1000th. I laughed at Heiji's "I did everything" and the whole situation was great. Also Haibara's "Don't get intimate" XXD Oh man. Finally something. And Shinichi's friends are great too.
Yay for chipmunk and the inspector!

[DCUniverseAficionado]

After reading Yunnie's translation...

Spoiler:

Page 10
Fumimaro: "So that's what Shinichi Kudo... said about me... this is quite strange... I've never met Kudo before... maybe he asked Conan or the others?"

Page 13
Fumimaro: "So you’re Shinichi Kudo… oh?... and the one behind you... Heiji Hattori, son of the Osaka prefectural police superintendent, if I’m not mistaken?"

This line of dialogue implies that Shinichi/Conan and the literally-just-introduced-in-the-manga Fumimaro have already met. Though it also seems that he doesn't recognize Heiji—it seems this is the first time they met—and in Movie 7, they definitely interacted, so we have a similarity and a difference between Fumimaro in the movie (met Shinichi/Conan and Heiji) and Fumimaro in the manga (only met Shinichi/Conan).

This strikes me as similar to when Ninzaburo became part of the manga cast (File 208–File 210/Episode 146–Episode 147), and how he was more aware of who Shinichi/Conan was and who he was staying with than other Tokyo MPD officers—thus referencing their meeting in Movie 1—but did not reference the events of Movie 1 (the bombings, Teiji Moriya, etc.), meaning their manga meeting was different from their movie meeting. If that's so, then Fumimaro's knowledge of Shinichi/Conan is a reference to their meeting in Movie 7, but they didn't meet in the manga while investigating a serial killer in samurai/Benkei garb—they met in both the manga and in the movies, but each meeting was different, where Fumimaro met Shinichi/Conan and Heiji simultaneously in one 'verse (movies), and another 'verse where Heiji was not involved in the first meeting between Fumimaro and Shinichi/Conan (manga).

Maybe this also applies to Momiji meeting Heiji (and addressing whether Heiji and Momiji are going to have to meet again—whether the manga is going to have a different first meeting than the one in Movie 21, or are they just going to see each other for the first in the manga, but then reference Movie 21)—maybe they did already met in the mangaverse, just not during a Karuta competition where she and Kazuha went up against each other, but, rather, under different and less dangerous circumstances.

[saucypanny]

from the red thread @ facebook

Spoiler:

- It was confirmed that Momiji, Okita and Kazuha will appear in this arc
https://www.facebook.com/DCTheRedThread ... 3832757564

lol im sorry guys my expectation will come true okita will appear on kyoto arc
probably shinichi / okita showdown will happen :p
but from what it seems it still shinran still massive (esp why case 1004??)

[DCUniverseAficionado]

from the red thread @ facebook

Spoiler:

- It was confirmed that Momiji, Okita and Kazuha will appear in this arc
https://www.facebook.com/DCTheRedThread ... 3832757564

lol im sorry guys my expectation will come true okita will appear on kyoto arc
probably shinichi / okita showdown will happen :p
but from what it seems it still shinran still massive (esp why case 1004??)

Spoiler:

Here's what saucypanny is talking about:
https://www.facebook.com/DCTheRedThread ... =3&theater