Ai Only

[IHKF]

Ai is not coward you know. Only thing that fear her is BO and just BO

That's one thing I cannot necessarily agree with. She shows bravery sometimes but for the most part she runs and runs away from her problems- and that's not healthy and it's not exactly a good characteristic to have.

She has become not exactly pointless but she has a WHOLE lot less of a presence than she used to.

I can't really think of a time where she was overly afraid of something that wasn't the BO. And considering the BO is an organization set on killing her and the ones she cares about with no mercy or hesitation, I'd say it's pretty justified to be afraid :x She can't exactly go see a counselor or something either. I don't think there are many that deal with "I grew up in an evil organization that corrupted my very way of life and is bent on killing me".

It's also funny that she has "less" presence...when she's slowly getting over the problems that haunt her. It's just a confusing message that many people send about Haibara. Is she supposed to face her problems or is she supposed to be moody/suicidal in order to retain her "presence"? There isn't exactly a way to do two opposite things :/

Yes but that wouldn't stop her from finding comfort with those who know her secret by steaming off and getting a couple of things off of her mind.

She has less "presence" not because she's  facing her fear but more-so because her fears don't have very many episodes focused around them as a whole. :/

[MistyReeyus]

I really loved Ai at the beginning but now i think  her charakter is rather pointless most of the time.
Most often she is fearing someone or standing at the sidelines. She needs saving all the time. The only good thing she did was to save the DBs.
What do you think?

Haibara at the beginning was epic, and really she still is, in my opinion, but she hardly ever gets the spotlight anymore, so I agree with you on how her character's beginning to become less useful. However, the part about her needing to be saved all the time I don't quite agree with. In my eyes, it's not that she needs saving; it's that Conan and everyone in on his plans are just trying so hard to protect her (and most likely it's at least somewhat against her will). This is one thing I really don't like about almost all the Black Org arcs: the Black Org is as much her problem as it is Conan's--perhaps moreso--and he's just keeping her in the dark all the time. I kinda wish Conan wouldn't hold so many secrets; that's the main aspect of his character that I really don't like.
But this topic is about Haibara, so back on that: I wish Gosho would give her a little more time in the limelight if you get what I'm saying. I feel like she can fight the Black Org in her own way, and I just really want to see that.

[Steffi]

I really loved Ai at the beginning but now i think  her charakter is rather pointless most of the time.
Most often she is fearing someone or standing at the sidelines. She needs saving all the time. The only good thing she did was to save the DBs.
What do you think?

Haibara at the beginning was epic, and really she still is, in my opinion, but she hardly ever gets the spotlight anymore, so I agree with you on how her character's beginning to become less useful. However, the part about her needing to be saved all the time I don't quite agree with. In my eyes, it's not that she needs saving; it's that Conan and everyone in on his plans are just trying so hard to protect her (and most likely it's at least somewhat against her will). This is one thing I really don't like about almost all the Black Org arcs: the Black Org is as much her problem as it is Conan's--perhaps moreso--and he's just keeping her in the dark all the time. I kinda wish Conan wouldn't hold so many secrets; that's the main aspect of his character that I really don't like.
But this topic is about Haibara, so back on that: I wish Gosho would give her a little more time in the limelight if you get what I'm saying. I feel like she can fight the Black Org in her own way, and I just really want to see that.

Yeah, that´s what i meant. I´m not a native speaker and it´s hard to bring the point across.
I was dissapointed in the Bell Tree because she was only crying, but it was nice to know that she helped at the end with the plan. I thought she was only standing at the sidelines again. The Vermouth revelation arc was absolutly stupid because sometimes Conan treats her like a five year old. (in the BO metters).
I hope this time my point is more clear.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Fearing the BO is reasonable and not what's bothering me. What's bothering me is that when she senses the BO, she's keeping it a secret and/or running away although she knows that Conan and Co. will follow her and try to save her anyway (Like the bushijack case).
She wants to protect her friends, but with that behaviour she's actually risking the plans and her friends more And she really should understand that by now :/

[AICHAN]

The hijack bus case was before Ai's decision to not run away,so I don't take that into consideration.

Spoiler:

In the recent case she was taken by surprise,she learnt about the video and right after that she got a message from Vermouth.It's not like she had many solutions,since the DB and the professor were there.I blame Conan for not telling her their plan from the begining.
Also Conan keeps secrets from her even if she is concerned by these information,so if Conan let her be part of his plans,and she knows that everything is under control,then I doubt she'll run away or sacrifice her life.

I think it's time for Conan to stop treating her like a DID and consider her as member of his team.She could be very useful and she would probably stop doing dangerous things.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Spoiler:

I mentioned the bushijack as a example/the case where she sees that people/conan are trying to protect her and care for her. Another example is where Ran saved her. So Conan, Ran etc. all care for her and showed her too.

Even if she was surprised, she sensed someone before often, even encountered Scar Akai, and still didn't tell Conan anything or contacted him. She wasn't totally panicking there then.
Then she got the message and again, tries to run away D:

I think conan didn't tell her so that she doesn't need to act being scared and Vermouth would get fooled by the plan easier. Also, if Haibara knew, she would probably protest and maybe run away again or soemthing? :V

[ShinRan4ver]

The hijack bus case was before Ai's decision to not run away,so I don't take that into consideration.

Spoiler:

In the recent case she was taken by surprise,she learnt about the video and right after that she got a message from Vermouth.It's not like she had many solutions,since the DB and the professor were there.I blame Conan for not telling her their plan from the begining.
Also Conan keeps secrets from her even if she is concerned by these information,so if Conan let her be part of his plans,and she knows that everything is under control,then I doubt she'll run away or sacrifice her life.

I think it's time for Conan to stop treating her like a DID and consider her as member of his team.She could be very useful and she would probably stop doing dangerous things.

Conan treats her that way because she hides vital information regarding the BO from him.  The boss' number(she clearly knew before Conan figured it out in 394) and the bloody disk from Haido Hotel(she claimed to have lost it in episode 178 but in episode 188 it is clearly on her desk) are blatant examples of this, considering how much Haibara should know about the BO, the fact that the best BO intel Conan got from Haibara was that Chianti and Korn are Snipers is laughable beyond words.

In the most recent case, Conan didn't let Haibara know about the plan because it would be best for Haibara to react naturally instead of putting on an act that BO could easily figure out since they know her so well, since what she will do in those situation can be easily predicted. I won't go into much more detail as it would be spoiler in the anime only forum.

[Steffi]

[quote="sherrys"]

Spoiler:

Chianti and Korn was a good couple, Haibara thought steps ahead, and she could see five years in advance more clearly than Korn- so in total she could see 10 years in advance for Korn (while Korn could only see five years in advance ahead of himself), she could see how Korn would complement Chianti perfectly in their career endeavors; also, more or less can deduct Chianti’s character and conclude everything would work out fine.

She did care about Korn though, because she could see Korn was a good man and was trying to do something good for her (but she did not like it Korn was not willing to let the matter drop, and everything was put on a loudspeaker, she had no clue how to respond; and then Korn was sobbing which made matters even worse…so she did the best she could do to bring things into a more positive light, then realized she could not have too many promises, she had set her priority in order, and Korn’s was a new addition to that, she could not risk Korn’s life to ask him waiting until she returned to her normal body-which could be forever). So she went back and cancelled everything by saying newborn’s life is more precious than adult’s life, but then from nowhere suddenly the newborn became a baby and that pretty much screwed everything up.

So if Korn’s reading this by any chance, I hope he knew haibara had set her priority in order – the most important thing for her was probably A,B,C, but the way to complete it --is C,B,A; and A was a lofty, spiritual matter she put before everything else, however B was her duty and she must complete it first. Hence the saying that Haibara was a “hell’s angel,â€

[ProfParanoia]

[quote="sherrys"]

Spoiler:

Chianti and Korn was a good couple, Haibara thought steps ahead, and she could see five years in advance more clearly than Korn- so in total she could see 10 years in advance for Korn (while Korn could only see five years in advance ahead of himself), she could see how Korn would complement Chianti perfectly in their career endeavors; also, more or less can deduct Chianti’s character and conclude everything would work out fine.

She did care about Korn though, because she could see Korn was a good man and was trying to do something good for her (but she did not like it Korn was not willing to let the matter drop, and everything was put on a loudspeaker, she had no clue how to respond; and then Korn was sobbing which made matters even worse…so she did the best she could do to bring things into a more positive light, then realized she could not have too many promises, she had set her priority in order, and Korn’s was a new addition to that, she could not risk Korn’s life to ask him waiting until she returned to her normal body-which could be forever). So she went back and cancelled everything by saying newborn’s life is more precious than adult’s life, but then from nowhere suddenly the newborn became a baby and that pretty much screwed everything up.

So if Korn’s reading this by any chance, I hope he knew haibara had set her priority in order – the most important thing for her was probably A,B,C, but the way to complete it --is C,B,A; and A was a lofty, spiritual matter she put before everything else, however B was her duty and she must complete it first. Hence the saying that Haibara was a “hell’s angel,â€

[Sherry86]

Spoiler:

I mentioned the bushijack as a example/the case where she sees that people/conan are trying to protect her and care for her. Another example is where Ran saved her. So Conan, Ran etc. all care for her and showed her too.

Even if she was surprised, she sensed someone before often, even encountered Scar Akai, and still didn't tell Conan anything or contacted him. She wasn't totally panicking there then.
Then she got the message and again, tries to run away D:

I think conan didn't tell her so that she doesn't need to act being scared and Vermouth would get fooled by the plan easier. Also, if Haibara knew, she would probably protest and maybe run away again or soemthing? :V

Spoiler:

I think it's Conan fault. Remember when Ai keep complaining about Okiya because she sensed something from him? Conan just ignored her. Then, when Ai told Conan that she sensed something in the train, again, Conan ignored her and said that she read to much Agatha Christie. If you have been ignored so many times by somebody in certain subject, do you think you still want to try to tell him about that subject again?
And with Ai's personality, she will stop talking about that subject faster than anyone else and take care of it by herself.

[AICHAN]

Spoiler:

I mentioned the bushijack as a example/the case where she sees that people/conan are trying to protect her and care for her. Another example is where Ran saved her. So Conan, Ran etc. all care for her and showed her too.

Even if she was surprised, she sensed someone before often, even encountered Scar Akai, and still didn't tell Conan anything or contacted him. She wasn't totally panicking there then.
Then she got the message and again, tries to run away D:

I think conan didn't tell her so that she doesn't need to act being scared and Vermouth would get fooled by the plan easier. Also, if Haibara knew, she would probably protest and maybe run away again or soemthing? :V

Spoiler:

I think it's Conan fault. Remember when Ai keep complaining about Okiya because she sensed something from him? Conan just ignored her. Then, when Ai told Conan that she sensed something in the train, again, Conan ignored her and said that she read to much Agatha Christie. If you have been ignored so many times by somebody in certain subject, do you think you still want to try to tell him about that subject again?
And with Ai's personality, she will stop talking about that subject faster than anyone else and take care of it by herself.

Spoiler:

So true,Conan acted as if everything was fine,it's logical for Ai to keep her feelings for her after that.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Spoiler:

I mentioned the bushijack as a example/the case where she sees that people/conan are trying to protect her and care for her. Another example is where Ran saved her. So Conan, Ran etc. all care for her and showed her too.

Even if she was surprised, she sensed someone before often, even encountered Scar Akai, and still didn't tell Conan anything or contacted him. She wasn't totally panicking there then.
Then she got the message and again, tries to run away D:

I think conan didn't tell her so that she doesn't need to act being scared and Vermouth would get fooled by the plan easier. Also, if Haibara knew, she would probably protest and maybe run away again or soemthing? :V

Spoiler:

I think it's Conan fault. Remember when Ai keep complaining about Okiya because she sensed something from him? Conan just ignored her. Then, when Ai told Conan that she sensed something in the train, again, Conan ignored her and said that she read to much Agatha Christie. If you have been ignored so many times by somebody in certain subject, do you think you still want to try to tell him about that subject again?
And with Ai's personality, she will stop talking about that subject faster than anyone else and take care of it by herself.

Spoiler:

So true,Conan acted as if everything was fine,it's logical for Ai to keep her feelings for her after that.

Spoiler:

Sure you'll stop mentioning it when it's something where you live and the live of others doesn't depend on it
It's not logical to keep it secret when it's something dangerous.

[AICHAN]

Spoiler:

She wasn't sure about who was Scar Akai,she didn't know she really was in danger, so she thought it was better for her to hide and not acting suspicious.
Then when she received the message from Vermouth Conan wasn't there and she tried to react quickly,even if that means sacrifice her life.

Just one thing again,Haibara thought Okiya was dangerous in the begining...she told that to Conan who just ignored her fear.It's not like Ai keeps secrets when she feels there is a dangerous situation,on the contrary.

[Callid]

Only thing I see are grey boxes D:
This isn't Manga Spoilers, guys >.>

[AICHAN]

Only thing I see are grey boxes D:
This isn't Manga Spoilers, guys >.>

You should be happy that we put spoilers into spoiler boxes XDXD