Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[HeiseiHolmes]

or maybe he could use both his hands.. I'm left-handed, I can use both my hands pretty much in everything.

To be both-handed is the only real explanation, nobody would use his wrong hand in a comfortable situation like in his own bathroom. Okiya had no reason to fake to his wrong hand. But maybe that is just a design error, still somehow i can't get rid of it in my head.

Nah, he did have a reason to fake if Conan had managed to warn him Ran, Sera and Sonoko were coming over. Akai is left handed and Sera is observant so pretending he was right handed was to his advantage, especially if he wasn't sure how much Sera had figured out yet. If he didn't want Sera involved then letting her have more evidence he's Akai isn't exactly helpful.

true Sera was suspicious of him as a person not like he is Akai kind of way. not every left-handed in the series is Akai . Sera thought Akai is dead all along(i think).

[James Moriarty]

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Btw, did no one notice that now that we know Akai is Sera's brother Conan must have known that Amuro is Bourbon since they met. It's because Conan and Akai/Okiya cooperated since they know each other and so he most likely told Conan about Sera identity, which left only Amuro as Bourbon-suspect.

Why would it need to be someone of those 3? Conan didn't see Vermouth talk to one of those 3 on the phone. That's something only the reader knew.

Yeah, but all 3 Bourbon-suspects are a lot closer to Conan's secret than anyone else, so Conan might be wary about them too. And especially about Amuro since he is smarter than Kogoro and still plays his apprentice role.

[s.pel]

or maybe he could use both his hands.. I'm left-handed, I can use both my hands pretty much in everything.

To be both-handed is the only real explanation, nobody would use his wrong hand in a comfortable situation like in his own bathroom. Okiya had no reason to fake to his wrong hand. But maybe that is just a design error, still somehow i can't get rid of it in my head.

Nah, he did have a reason to fake if Conan had managed to warn him Ran, Sera and Sonoko were coming over. Akai is left handed and Sera is observant so pretending he was right handed was to his advantage, especially if he wasn't sure how much Sera had figured out yet. If he didn't want Sera involved then letting her have more evidence he's Akai isn't exactly helpful.

true Sera was suspicious of him as a person not like he is Akai kind of way. not every left-handed in the series is Akai . Sera thought Akai is dead all along(i think).

I think she realized that okiya is her brother the time they met while he was brushing his teeth. Now she's pretending not to know that he's still alive only to protect him

[gryxyz]

true Sera was suspicious of him as a person not like he is Akai kind of way. not every left-handed in the series is Akai . Sera thought Akai is dead all along(i think).

Exactly right, there is no reason for Okiya/Akai to pretend to be right-handed only because Sera sees him. Left-handed doesn't mean he's surely Akai.

Yeah, but all 3 Bourbon-suspects are a lot closer to Conan's secret than anyone else, so Conan might be wary about them too. And especially about Amuro since he is smarter than Kogoro and still plays his apprentice role.

That is true, but it doesn't mean Amuro has to be Bourbon - for Conan at least. We as a reader know it, Conan has seen way less of the BO stuff than we have. He might have suspected it but yeah.

[Atraos]

Okyia did hide his dominant hand, it was even portrayed in the manga. If you look at V77-7 Page 11, you can see he had hidden the comb he had in his left hand. So he was using his right hand to brush his teeth because he was focused on the more complicated task of combing his hair using his skilled left hand. The lesser task was delegated to his "off hand". While he was at it, he heard the rather penetrating and loud voice of his sister and choose to hide the comb and therefore confuse her about his dominant hand. Hiding the comb is much easier accomplished than changing the hand brushing your teeth.

And I also think that Sera was very suspicious of him. From Ai's behaviour earlier we know that there is some kind of unique mark on Akai's neck/throat/upper chest. Even Sonoko remarked that Okyia wouldn't expose his neck/throat, but in the bathroom Okyia's sweater was slightly open, resulting in a nornal v-neck, showing his upper chest. If we assume that the conpromising mark is in the front (because that's were Ai grabbed Okyia's scarf). Then the mark should have been visible back then. Although most it was hidden from the reader by Okyia's conveniently placed arm. If this was not done by Okyia on purpose, than it might have been atleast partially visible for the characters, raising Sera's suspicsion

[Fennec]

I was wondering about Okiya's comb on that page. There was no real reason to show him pulling it out, after all; and the way he pulled it out made me think of it as being some secret weapon.

I can't help but think that the exposed neck was a bit of a red herring. It's obvious that something's there; Ai tried to check under his neck specifically for something. I thought of this the other night and thought that maybe it was meant to distract from something else in the scene. On one page, Sonoko was commenting on how he hides his neck. When it appeared the very next page, we would naturally focus instantly on his exposed neck to look for any marks. The first time I saw it, I went back and forth between both pages to look at the multiple angles shown of his neck before continuing the story. Looking back, it was like the misdirection used in several of the cases, distracting us from something else. Of course, it may have been the fact he was brushing his teeth right-handed.

However, there's another possibility that just occurred to me: if Yukiko was there at the time, she could have used her make-up skills to cover any marks. The woman can create latex masks and is one of the best disguise artists in the series. For her, creating foundation that perfectly matched Subaru's skin tone to cover a mark on his neck would probably take only a matter of minutes. I looked back to the two tooth-brushing introductions, and in the first one (the Paper Airplane case), part of a door could be seen in the third panel of Chapter 638, Page 9:

Spoiler:

Now, it isn't the bathroom door, as the angle of it is different in the previous when Ran and Sonoko are looking inside:

Spoiler:

I also checked out the corresponding anime episode (510, around the 17 minute mark) and the door is shown much clearer there. It even shows Sonoko entering the bathroom from a totally different door. Most likely, it's a closet. If Yukiko were there, she could have hidden in the closet after applying make-up to Okiya's neck. Just to be safe, I compared the bathroom from that chapter to the latest one, and they seem to be the same:

Spoiler:

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read ... 12_010.png

The only reason I thought about the closet thing is because they'd want to minimize the risk of the foundation being smudged by his collar or something, totally negating the original point of it. However, even if Yukiko didn't hide in there, the possibility is still very real. Also, while looking back for these, I reread the whole hiding-a-woman conversation and realized that Conan was probably in on his mother's presence even then. Chances are pretty good you guys already figured this out and I just misread the conversations about it, though, since you've discussed this before.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Spoiler:

Now, it isn't the bathroom door, as the angle of it is different in the previous when Ran and Sonoko are looking inside:

Spoiler:

I also checked out the corresponding anime episode (510, around the 17 minute mark) and the door is shown much clearer there. It even shows Sonoko entering the bathroom from a totally different door. Most likely, it's a closet. If Yukiko were there, she could have hidden in the closet after applying make-up to Okiya's neck. Just to be safe, I compared the bathroom from that chapter to the latest one, and they seem to be the same:

Spoiler:

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read ... 12_010.png

The only reason I thought about the closet thing is because they'd want to minimize the risk of the foundation being smudged by his collar or something, totally negating the original point of it. However, even if Yukiko didn't hide in there, the possibility is still very real. Also, while looking back for these, I reread the whole hiding-a-woman conversation and realized that Conan was probably in on his mother's presence even then. Chances are pretty good you guys already figured this out and I just misread the conversations about it, though, since you've discussed this before.

You have encountered Gosho's mysterious reversing bathroom door. It's an art error. Don't think about it too much.

[elainerose19]

First of all Movies are not canon so that don't count in term of manga story development.

i'm not talking about the story, just the detail.. gosho also takes part on the movies to make sure that it does not contradict anything with the manga, so i think we can at least take the detail of kaito knowing about tranq gun from the movie..


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BTW. i just want to point out something.. didn't sera say that the hair she found on the sink was actually from a wig? wouldn't it be weird for yukiko to use a wig with same color of her hair? if it was really her..

[Kor]

gosho also takes part on the movies to make sure that it does not contradict anything with the manga, so i think we can at least take the detail of kaito knowing about tranq gun from the movie..

Just because it's in the movies does not mean it's in the manga (we have no proof that Kaito knows or even cares who Conan truly is). And don't be so sure about Gosho actually working with them closely enough. If I recall correctly there was a conflict between the movie and the manga regarding the meetings between Heiji and Hakuba. In both occasions, Heiji was needed to be informed by Conan who Hakuba is. It's true that in the tenth movie Hakuba was actually Kaito Kid in disguise, but that's beside the point.

[Fennec]

Spoiler:

Now, it isn't the bathroom door, as the angle of it is different in the previous when Ran and Sonoko are looking inside:

Spoiler:

I also checked out the corresponding anime episode (510, around the 17 minute mark) and the door is shown much clearer there. It even shows Sonoko entering the bathroom from a totally different door. Most likely, it's a closet. If Yukiko were there, she could have hidden in the closet after applying make-up to Okiya's neck. Just to be safe, I compared the bathroom from that chapter to the latest one, and they seem to be the same:

Spoiler:

http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read ... 12_010.png

The only reason I thought about the closet thing is because they'd want to minimize the risk of the foundation being smudged by his collar or something, totally negating the original point of it. However, even if Yukiko didn't hide in there, the possibility is still very real. Also, while looking back for these, I reread the whole hiding-a-woman conversation and realized that Conan was probably in on his mother's presence even then. Chances are pretty good you guys already figured this out and I just misread the conversations about it, though, since you've discussed this before.

You have encountered Gosho's mysterious reversing bathroom door. It's an art error. Don't think about it too much.

I was referring to a potential closet door in the background of the third panel of the first image. In the second and third one, I was just showing the view from the bathroom door and the bathroom itself. I didn't notice the reversed handle in it.

The wig hair also interests me. Of course, Yukiko IS a master of disguise. Chances are she wore a wig at one point inside the house... In fact, it's possible that she could have arrived the very day that everyone went to the house, wearing a wig and everything with plans to secretly stay there like before. She was a big star at one time, and she'll be more likely to be identified by locals since she's from Beika, so she could have worn a wig as a precaution.

[club24]

What's the significance of the dead programmer for Sharon? I didn't understand why that would annoyed Sharon or if it has meaning to her.

[elainerose19]

gosho also takes part on the movies to make sure that it does not contradict anything with the manga, so i think we can at least take the detail of kaito knowing about tranq gun from the movie..

Just because it's in the movies does not mean it's in the manga (we have no proof that Kaito knows or even cares who Conan truly is). And don't be so sure about Gosho actually working with them closely enough. If I recall correctly there was a conflict between the movie and the manga regarding the meetings between Heiji and Hakuba. In both occasions, Heiji was needed to be informed by Conan who Hakuba is. It's true that in the tenth movie Hakuba was actually Kaito Kid in disguise, but that's beside the point.

okay.. but i still believe that kaito knows something.. i'll find an evidence first.. sorry..

[gryxyz]

Okyia did hide his dominant hand, it was even portrayed in the manga. If you look at V77-7 Page 11, you can see he had hidden the comb he had in his left hand. So he was using his right hand to brush his teeth because he was focused on the more complicated task of combing his hair using his skilled left hand. The lesser task was delegated to his "off hand". While he was at it, he heard the rather penetrating and loud voice of his sister and choose to hide the comb and therefore confuse her about his dominant hand. Hiding the comb is much easier accomplished than changing the hand brushing your teeth.

And I also think that Sera was very suspicious of him. From Ai's behaviour earlier we know that there is some kind of unique mark on Akai's neck/throat/upper chest. Even Sonoko remarked that Okyia wouldn't expose his neck/throat, but in the bathroom Okyia's sweater was slightly open, resulting in a nornal v-neck, showing his upper chest. If we assume that the conpromising mark is in the front (because that's were Ai grabbed Okyia's scarf). Then the mark should have been visible back then. Although most it was hidden from the reader by Okyia's conveniently placed arm. If this was not done by Okyia on purpose, than it might have been atleast partially visible for the characters, raising Sera's suspicsion

Um  yeah the comb was strange too. Well maybe I'm putting to much thought into that right hand. Because I just can't imagine someone would act with his wrong hand in that situation. Akai isn't the only left-handed person in the world, so using his dominant hand wouldn't have any hint. Maybe he did something with his disguies and therefore he needed a comb which he hid, but that sounds weird too. After all there is much which can't be done in real life in Conan.
I guess we'll know soon enough what's going on there.

I just hope this goes on after they leave the train - because for now i think Okiya won't be shown as Akai to anybody than the reader. The smoke, Sera's unconsciousness, everybody heading back in the train - it sure ends with "and now the story can go an as if nothing happened, except Amuro isn't here anymore".

[Stopwatch]

Okyia did hide his dominant hand, it was even portrayed in the manga. If you look at V77-7 Page 11, you can see he had hidden the comb he had in his left hand. So he was using his right hand to brush his teeth because he was focused on the more complicated task of combing his hair using his skilled left hand. The lesser task was delegated to his "off hand". While he was at it, he heard the rather penetrating and loud voice of his sister and choose to hide the comb and therefore confuse her about his dominant hand. Hiding the comb is much easier accomplished than changing the hand brushing your teeth.

And I also think that Sera was very suspicious of him. From Ai's behaviour earlier we know that there is some kind of unique mark on Akai's neck/throat/upper chest. Even Sonoko remarked that Okyia wouldn't expose his neck/throat, but in the bathroom Okyia's sweater was slightly open, resulting in a nornal v-neck, showing his upper chest. If we assume that the conpromising mark is in the front (because that's were Ai grabbed Okyia's scarf). Then the mark should have been visible back then. Although most it was hidden from the reader by Okyia's conveniently placed arm. If this was not done by Okyia on purpose, than it might have been atleast partially visible for the characters, raising Sera's suspicsion

Um  yeah the comb was strange too. Well maybe I'm putting to much thought into that right hand. Because I just can't imagine someone would act with his wrong hand in that situation. Akai isn't the only left-handed person in the world, so using his dominant hand wouldn't have any hint. Maybe he did something with his disguies and therefore he needed a comb which he hid, but that sounds weird too. After all there is much which can't be done in real life in Conan.
I guess we'll know soon enough what's going on there.

I just hope this goes on after they leave the train - because for now i think Okiya won't be shown as Akai to anybody than the reader. The smoke, Sera's unconsciousness, everybody heading back in the train - it sure ends with "and now the story can go an as if nothing happened, except Amuro isn't here anymore".

1) I think it'd be pretty interesting if Amuro did, in fact, stay, but most plot relevant characters know he's Bourbon and can't do anything without proof that doesn't make them look susp.
2) Akai may not be the only lefty, but left-handed people are nowhere near as common as right-handed ones. And even if they weren't, Okiya doesn't want to give himself in any way possible. Just think of it like the glasses. Him acting right-handed is just an extra layer of disguise in case Sera sees through the rest. The only problem that could come up is if he has to write right-handed or Ran/Sonoko notice he's acting right-handed when before he was left-handed. He can type instead of writing, ask someone else to write something down or simply get rid of Sera quickly in order to find a way around the first and, otherwise, unless you're a detective-type in DC, it's unlikely Ran/Sonoko will see he's changed handedness without seeing him write.
3) About the comb, when the spoilers first came out, me and several others did a search on wig combs. Okiya's didn't match with the majority of them, which had a very unique kind of design to suit the wigs. So, I doubt that it's something to do with the comb unless Aoyama didn't research it properly, in which case, why highlight it?

[Atraos]

Okyia did hide his dominant hand, it was even portrayed in the manga. If you look at V77-7 Page 11, you can see he had hidden the comb he had in his left hand. So he was using his right hand to brush his teeth because he was focused on the more complicated task of combing his hair using his skilled left hand. The lesser task was delegated to his "off hand". While he was at it, he heard the rather penetrating and loud voice of his sister and choose to hide the comb and therefore confuse her about his dominant hand. Hiding the comb is much easier accomplished than changing the hand brushing your teeth.

And I also think that Sera was very suspicious of him. From Ai's behaviour earlier we know that there is some kind of unique mark on Akai's neck/throat/upper chest. Even Sonoko remarked that Okyia wouldn't expose his neck/throat, but in the bathroom Okyia's sweater was slightly open, resulting in a normal v-neck, showing his upper chest. If we assume that the conpromising mark is in the front (because that's were Ai grabbed Okyia's scarf). Then the mark should have been visible back then. Although most it was hidden from the reader by Okyia's conveniently placed arm. If this was not done by Okyia on purpose, than it might have been at least partially visible for the characters, raising Sera's suspicion

Um  yeah the comb was strange too. Well maybe I'm putting to much thought into that right hand. Because I just can't imagine someone would act with his wrong hand in that situation. Akai isn't the only left-handed person in the world, so using his dominant hand wouldn't have any hint. Maybe he did something with his disguies and therefore he needed a comb which he hid, but that sounds weird too. After all there is much which can't be done in real life in Conan.
I guess we'll know soon enough what's going on there.

I just hope this goes on after they leave the train - because for now i think Okiya won't be shown as Akai to anybody than the reader. The smoke, Sera's unconsciousness, everybody heading back in the train - it sure ends with "and now the story can go an as if nothing happened, except Amuro isn't here anymore".

I don't think we're putting too much thought into this, this is DC afterall, up until now we have nearly no loos threads (except for the AiCon thing that was just abandoned after 345 but, that belongs to the shipping wars ) Back to the the dominant hand thingy. Maybe it wasn't about his hands at all. Because what he literally hid was the comb, so maybe it was about the comb itself. Although the comb didn't seem special or anything, but it might still hold some sort of emotional value and might be unique in a certain kind of way. If it holds any special meaning, it's plausible for Sera to recognise it and there for him.

At this point we can only come up with plausible explanations but it seems the whole action held some revelance, so we'll have to wait until Conan or Okyia himself sheds some light on this whole thing.