Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

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Two long ago mysteries were finally mentioned and solved (partially at least). The one with the programmer from the Dark Footprints. The other was what Conan wondered about in the case Araide returned to school (after the Vermouth showdown). Adding it up to Haibara's tapes mystery, this case pretty much solved a big chunk of stuff that people have wondered about over the years. Now that Gosho solved these long running issues, it kinda feels like we're close to the end of the series. Though he does have some more cards to reveal.

So.....obvious identities were obvious. Okiya left the room, so it's likely he'll save Haibara, reveal himself to Bourbon and show his true identity. I just hope Haibara isn't going to pass out before Okiya reveals himself cause I don't think we need to stretch the meeting between Akai and Haibara anymore. I wonder what Conan is going to do next....probably go for Haibara as well I guess.

I also wonder what are Sstimson's thoughts about the overall development  :P
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To me it's obvious that Yukiko never told Yuusaku what she's doing.
And Yuusaku is probably writing a book...or running away from his editors.
and why do I have a feeling that Conan still is ahead of everyone?
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Yukiko is really reckless in front of Vermouth. Makes me wonder if Conan just used her as a distraction for her. It is quite likely that he already knows Bourbons identity.
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It would seem as though Conan & Co. are going BO hunting. There's no other reason Okiya would trap her, and then purposefully let her go, not to mention Yukiko's oddly calm expression as her so called "plans" were revealed. The real advantage Conan has over the BO right now is Okiya. All of Vermouth's plans were made under the assumption that Conan & Yukiko were working alone, and that will be her downfall.

No matter how bad the end of 823 looked, I don't believe Haibara is in as much danger as it would seem.

Also, as far as Bourbon knowing Ai's mom... is it really that strange? Although Rena reported him as a new BO member, didn't Gin say that he and Bourbon had the same train of thought? (That being, "Only I can kill Akai") This would imply that Bourbon has a past with the BO, making it less surprising that he would know some of their former operatives.

Either way... I'm just glad the plethora of clues Gosho left actually made it possible to predict everyone's identities, might've actually been mad/confused if Amuro wasn't Bourbon. As far as Okiya being Akai, there are a lot of clues to support it but I wouldn't be too disappointed if he wasn't xD

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Partsu wrote: To me it's obvious that Yukiko never told Yuusaku what she's doing.
And Yuusaku is probably writing a book...or running away from his editors.
and why do I have a feeling that Conan still is ahead of everyone?
I have the same feeling too, coz every time under any situation Conan is ahead and has some trick up his sleeve.
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HeiseiHolmes wrote:
Partsu wrote: To me it's obvious that Yukiko never told Yuusaku what she's doing.
And Yuusaku is probably writing a book...or running away from his editors.
and why do I have a feeling that Conan still is ahead of everyone?
I have the same feeling too, coz every time under any situation Conan is ahead and has some trick up his sleeve.
Okiya confronted Haibara to make sure she was acting as predicted (getting away from the others and taking the antidote). Conan knew the BO intended to 'smoke her out' (though maybe he didn't think so literally XD) and he knows by the same logic as her taking the antidote that she'll want to be away from everyone else so they don't get involved. He realises the BO will also know that so he (or Okiya) simply wait for Haibara and whoever's after her to appear. At least, that's how I see it :-X.
About the smoke being unrealistic, that is true and that's why Amuro had to open the door and pretend to see fire. People wouldn't question whether he was telling the truth or not because not only would (most) people take it as something too serious to lie about, but the people on that carriage are (for obvious reasons) afraid of fire and will likely just panic as soon as it's mentioned, scaring everyone else into being afraid of the 'fire' and making them order an evacuation.
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Kor wrote: Okiya left the room, so it's likely he'll save Haibara, reveal himself to Bourbon and show his true identity.
This might happen next.

I also agree that Yuusaku's not going to show up.
HeiseiHolmes wrote: I have the same feeling too, coz every time under any situation Conan is ahead and has some trick up his sleeve.
Yup, and I'm also thinking that make-up kit and bulletproof vest were just to make Vermouth think that was the plan. I'm really excited on what Conan really planned and I wonder if Sera's going to have a role...
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miikosan wrote: Wouldn't it take quite some time for the antidote to work?
Just remember the London case, Conan ran into the telephone booth and turned back in "seconds". This would also explain how she got clothes on.
I do think, that Haibara getting clothes for herself is a tough thing. Unless of course she ran into someone's room and took clothes from there, but that's an extremely lucky thing. But not impossible.

However, it seems like Conan, Okiya and Yukiko anticipated that the BO will be on the train, therefor they got a good plan for themselves. They too know exactly how Haibara will react and what she will actually do on the train, if the BO suddenly shows up.
They can doa few things:
a. what Vermouth told Yukiko about their plan, that Yukiko would dress up and fake-die as Shiho
b. using Shiho they lure out Bourbon, then proove that Shiho is not Shiho and catch Bourbon, saying this was a trap layed by... um... the FBI or whatever

Yukiko is making sure that Vermouth is not at the scene. The main reason would be that it is difficult to fight two BO members at the same time, or it could be that Vermouth could actually see through their plan, like she would know that Shiho is not the real Shiho.

Of course, this is only a wacky theory, so it can be dead wrong, but since Gosho really likes to use scenes and tricks twice, it wouldn't be that impossible that he came up with this.
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only one person is not yet revealed.. who is okiya?akai or new character? i hope gosho will reveal who is he in next chapter..
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Both in this case and in the case in episode 345, Conan didn't tell Haibara about his plan.

Back then, though, Conan didn't predict Haibara's actions and it was only thanks to Ran that she was saved. Even though currently it seems like Conan's team is ahead of the B.O., I don't think this whole operation will go without any screw up.
Another difference is that Haibara wasn't supposed to be in the Vermouth showdown. This time she is there so her life is actually on the line because of this plan.
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Well, but this time he has Okiya to look after her.
I don't think this whole operation will go without any screw up.
Well, as I said before, that obstacle might be Ran this time. Since Ai is still missing and there is suposed to be a fire, she will definitely search her.
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Amuro don't have any sympathy to Ran as Vermouth. Ran don't know how dangerous this pupil of her father. Okiya can't risk show himself in front of Vermouth or Bourbon.
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S.Vineyard wrote: Well, but this time he has Okiya to look after her.
You are helping my comparison. In the Vermouth showdown we had Akai, and in this showdown we have Okiya (who happens to be Akai). This time, though, Okiya seems to be part of the plan, so his role changed a bit.
S.Vineyard wrote: Well, as I said before, that obstacle might be Ran this time. Since Ai is still missing and there is suposed to be a fire, she will definitely search her.
In the Vermouth showdown we've had Ran saving the situation resulted from the screw up. If this time Ran is the "screw up" it could be interesting.
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Kor wrote: In the Vermouth showdown we've had Ran saving the situation resulted from the screw up. If this time Ran is the "screw up" it could be interesting.
Indeed. Ran's behavior is kind of unpredictable. Besides, it would be disappointing to let Ai appear as Shiho once again and not let them meet.
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Indeed. Ran's behavior is kind of unpredictable. Besides, it would be disappointing to let Ai appear as Shiho once again and not let them meet.

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