Detective Conan Files 801-803 Discussion Thread: Domestic Vi

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Who is Bourbon?

Okiya Subaru
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Amuro Tooru who is not Scar Akai
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Masumi Sera
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Scar Akai who is not Amuro Tooru
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Scar Akai aka Amuro Tooru
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Conan
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sstimson
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DCTP ate my post, too :(
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If Amuro is Borboun and Scar Akai, I think after this chapter, Bourbon has two options to deal with Sera and to use her to find Akai.
Bourbon obviously knows that Sera and Akai are related. Why else should he disguise and show up in front of Sera? He might know, that Sera is Akai's sister.
Moreover he can conclude through Sera's reaction, that Sera might be in search of her brother, too. Maybe he thinks now even more that Akai is alive. Bourbon also might wonder, how Sera  discovered that there is a connection between Detective Kogoro and Akai. It would be to much of coincidence, that Akai's sister just happens to hang out with Ran.
His suspicion of Kogoro being related to Akai is confirmed.

First Bourbon could just kidnap Sera and hope, that Akai shows up to help. But I thinks this reaction is very unlikely. It would be very dangerous for him. Bourbon would likely not have the help of the B.O and might even not be allowed to do this. I don't think he wants to risk to lose to Akai and Kogoro (Conan). Furthermore this would reveal to fast to much to the reader, therefore Gosho wouldn't do this.

The second possibility how Bourbon might react is to get closer to Sera. He will hope to find out what Sera knows. He might even charm her and they might become a couple. (I just wonder, if Amuro is too old for Sera...)

We don't know how much Sera knows about the B.O. and  if she knows what Akai's work was really about.
She is a good detective and she might know many things. If not, she really is in a dangerous situation. She would have no chance to know how dangerous Bourbon is and would assume that Amuro is a nice guy. Therefore he would have a walk-over to trick Sera.

Besides, Sera will fell easily for Amuro. He is good-looking, a detective and smart. I think Sera likes guys similar to her brother (Akai), because it's not uncommon for younger sisters to feel that way... Well, Amuro is different than Akai, but he shows that he can be as serious, brave and smart as Akai.
Sera might also trust Bourbon (withour being a couple) and hope, that he will help her since he is a detective.

I think the in the following files Sera will meet Amuro, but nothing will be revealed.
Amuro will not be revealed for a long time, probably longer than Vermouth was disguised as Dr. Araide. Amuro is really cool and good-looking character. Gosho will not design such a character just for fun. He wants the reader to like Amuro, so that the reader will be even more shocked, when Amuro is revealed to be Bourbon.

Does anyone else think, that Conan is much less suspicious of persons around him than he was before? I think he was much more suspicious of Eisuke, James, Akai and Jodie than he is about Sera and Amuro, although both, especially Sera, act fishy.
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Copperfield wrote:
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If Amuro is Borboun and Scar Akai, I think after this chapter, Bourbon has two options to deal with Sera and to use her to find Akai.
Bourbon obviously knows that Sera and Akai are related. Why else should he disguise and show up in front of Sera? He might know, that Sera is Akai's sister.
Moreover he can conclude through Sera's reaction, that Sera might be in search of her brother, too. Maybe he thinks now even more that Akai is alive. Bourbon also might wonder, how Sera  discovered that there is a connection between Detective Kogoro and Akai. It would be to much of coincidence, that Akai's sister just happens to hang out with Ran.
His suspicion of Kogoro being related to Akai is confirmed.

First Bourbon could just kidnap Sera and hope, that Akai shows up to help. But I thinks this reaction is very unlikely. It would be very dangerous for him. Bourbon would likely not have the help of the B.O and might even not be allowed to do this. I don't think he wants to risk to lose to Akai and Kogoro (Conan). Furthermore this would reveal to fast to much to the reader, therefore Gosho wouldn't do this.

The second possibility how Bourbon might react is to get closer to Sera. He will hope to find out what Sera knows. He might even charm her and they might become a couple. (I just wonder, if Amuro is too old for Sera...)

We don't know how much Sera knows about the B.O. and  if she knows what Akai's work was really about.
She is a good detective and she might know many things. If not, she really is in a dangerous situation. She would have no chance to know how dangerous Bourbon is and would assume that Amuro is a nice guy. Therefore he would have a walk-over to trick Sera.

Besides, Sera will fell easily for Amuro. He is good-looking, a detective and smart. I think Sera likes guys similar to her brother (Akai), because it's not uncommon for younger sisters to feel that way... Well, Amuro is different than Akai, but he shows that he can be as serious, brave and smart as Akai.
Sera might also trust Bourbon (withour being a couple) and hope, that he will help her since he is a detective.

I think the in the following files Sera will meet Amuro, but nothing will be revealed.
Amuro will not be revealed for a long time, probably longer than Vermouth was disguised as Dr. Araide. Amuro is really cool and good-looking character. Gosho will not design such a character just for fun. He wants the reader to like Amuro, so that the reader will be even more shocked, when Amuro is revealed to be Bourbon.

Does anyone else think, that Conan is much less suspicious of persons around him than he was before? I think he was much more suspicious of Eisuke, James, Akai and Jodie than he is about Sera and Amuro, although both, especially Sera, act fishy.
That sounds like it might happen for sure. Great theory.
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Everyone who is complaining about this file is crazy. Does Vermouth need to flash the readers before certain people are satisfied? I don't understand why people are so offended by the DB that they justify moaning about a file which also includes info on or appearances by nearly every single plot important character, and a major plot development on top of it. Haters gonna hate, but sometimes it becomes too retarded for anyone else to believe.

They talk quite a bit about the previous case's aftermath which is good, otherwise the gap between the last file and this one would have been jarring. I expected the jump though.

Sera pretty much confirms she knows Shinichi is Conan and is now trying to work on Haibara. Sonoko inadvertently helps. People looking for an excuse for them to clash now have one. Then we have Sera's person who never laughs. One guess who that is. Sera does blush when thinking about meeting Amuro; their Gundam chars were close after all. Somehow I don't think Akai would approve of that part of the conversation. It would be amazing though if Sera and Amuro did go on a date, even if they both were trying to only trying to use it to gain info.

I have no idea why Haibara would upgrade Okiya to "Subaru-kun". The only things he did was get into a car chase, almost draw a gun, and generally emit a scary aura. That must have been some really good cream stew.

Amuro takes a day off, Scar Akai appears in front of Sera by the detective agency.  :-X Scar Akai isn't Sera or Okiya, so that leaves Amuro or a third party.
Honestly......
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I was kidding when complaining about the DB appearance as you can see from my troll pics. Regardless of the main plot, i think the mystery in this case is very intriguing. I mean the wife threatening the husband with a knife then found dead a second later.....I wanna see how did that happen. Finally, yes..i want vermouth to flash me make another appearance to be completely satisfied
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
leokiko wrote:
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Seriously when I saw the FIRST PAGE with the DB'S, I immediately thought: OOOH SHIT.

Why's that? Because i thought there would be just an normal case with nothing plot related again. Like all of us D:
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But who would post to whine after only seeing the first page? I was "..." at first too, but then I saw Sera talking with Conan about Haibara and got interested, then Sera blushing about Amuro was unexpected, and then Scar Akai showing up made the file awesome.
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Indeed, it would be stupid but...as lol mentioned, most of us were just joking around :D
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lol wrote: Honestly......
I was kidding when complaining about the DB appearance as you can see from my troll pics. Regardless of the main plot, i think the mystery in this case is very intriguing. I mean the wife threatening the husband with a knife then found dead a second later.....I wanna see how did that happen. Finally, yes..i want vermouth to flash me make another appearance to be completely satisfied
I wonder if it was supposed to be acting. They were trying to scare the kids earlier. Maybe this was a poorly thought out plan the other took advantage of. Or a suicide to look like murder to frame the other? A translation is needed before I can judge.
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Uh, am I the only one not thinking the same as everyone else for the blush thing? From the translations we've gotten, I took the blush as Sera's reaction to Sonoko teasing her about wanting to use Ran as an excuse to visit Conan (and judging by the fact that Sonoko secretly thought "Shotacon" *or "Pedokon" as the original translation was* that Sonoko said it very mockingly, like she would normally while teasing Ran about Shinichi.)

I personally think the whole Amuro thing was just to get off the subject and embarrassment (maybe she likes Shinichi, I dunno. It could work I guess, what with him being a 'Silver Bullet' type like her brother. ...Though, she seems to openly...'ship' Ran and Shinichi so I'm not really sure.  :| maybe she wants a threesome?

Also, Sera's comment about knowing Conan/Shinichi was a Holmes fan for a long time...that is confusing the heck out of me. Everything with her being Akai's sister is adding up and making sense...but where would she have known Shinichi before?  ???
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sonoci wrote:
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Uh, am I the only one not thinking the same as everyone else for the blush thing? From the translations we've gotten, I took the blush as Sera's reaction to Sonoko teasing her about wanting to use Ran as an excuse to visit Conan (and judging by the fact that Sonoko secretly thought "Shotacon" *or "Pedokon" as the original translation was* that Sonoko said it very mockingly, like she would normally while teasing Ran about Shinichi.)

I personally think the whole Amuro thing was just to get off the subject and embarrassment (maybe she likes Shinichi, I dunno. It could work I guess, what with him being a 'Silver Bullet' type like her brother. ...Though, she seems to openly...'ship' Ran and Shinichi so I'm not really sure.  :| maybe she wants a threesome?

Also, Sera's comment about knowing Conan/Shinichi was a Holmes fan for a long time...that is confusing the heck out of me. Everything with her being Akai's sister is adding up and making sense...but where would she have known Shinichi before?  ???
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I think we should wait for the file first before thinking about what Sera said regarding Shinichi.
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Copperfield wrote:
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Does anyone else think, that Conan is much less suspicious of persons around him than he was before? I think he was much more suspicious of Eisuke, James, Akai and Jodie than he is about Sera and Amuro, although both, especially Sera, act fishy.
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I think it's because he's already fished out their identity/motives behind the scenes (with the help of Akai presumably).  Conan has -a lot- of free time on his hands, considering he doesn't have to pay attention at school.  So I bet him and Okiya are constantly texting each other (in code of course)
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leokiko wrote:
sonoci wrote:
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Uh, am I the only one not thinking the same as everyone else for the blush thing? From the translations we've gotten, I took the blush as Sera's reaction to Sonoko teasing her about wanting to use Ran as an excuse to visit Conan (and judging by the fact that Sonoko secretly thought "Shotacon" *or "Pedokon" as the original translation was* that Sonoko said it very mockingly, like she would normally while teasing Ran about Shinichi.)

I personally think the whole Amuro thing was just to get off the subject and embarrassment (maybe she likes Shinichi, I dunno. It could work I guess, what with him being a 'Silver Bullet' type like her brother. ...Though, she seems to openly...'ship' Ran and Shinichi so I'm not really sure.  :| maybe she wants a threesome?

Also, Sera's comment about knowing Conan/Shinichi was a Holmes fan for a long time...that is confusing the heck out of me. Everything with her being Akai's sister is adding up and making sense...but where would she have known Shinichi before?  ???
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I think we should wait for the file first before thinking about what Sera said regarding Shinichi.
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True enough...though that same logic could apply to the whole "Sera blushed because of Amuro" thing as well  ;)
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My theory about Scar being Akai is slowly coming to a head. And One thing might even help it. So far Gosho has not killed a main character. While Sera is not that yet, she is getting close. So If Scar is Bad, then Gosho would need to make her disappear and I can not see that happening. So either Scar will Fool Sera, or Scar is Akai, or the chance that Sera has nothing to do with Akai and is Okiya Girl friend / sister. Again Time to wait and see
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Indeed ..I guess I was too specific xD
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darn...that finally killed off my theories...
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so now it's almost certain in my mind that AT=SA=B
it means...
I finally give up and start listening Chek fo real...unless that SA was Vermouth providing alibi to her...ok maybe not...
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Partsu wrote: darn...that finally killed off my theories...
:'(
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so now it's almost certain in my mind that AT=SA=B
it means...
I finally give up and start listening Chek fo real...unless that SA was Vermouth providing alibi to her...ok maybe not...
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I used to strongly support Scar Akai = Vermouth until she showed up talking to Gin in the department store case.
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Tenken wrote: What is the "DB"???????
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OK ;D  

... Just like Gosho, making us wait again after we have waited for two years...  :|
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