Anime version "Who is Okiya Subaru?" thread

[kkslider5552000]

Because the anime viewers want to speculate too!

I still believe he is Bourbon. Because him being Akai after Akai is gone is both a lame way to bring back a character (who should be dead, according to any common sense) and is just way too easy.

[Akonyl]

what if he's both, via a double personality brought about by being shot in the head?

brilliant!

[kkslider5552000]

what if he's both, via a double personality brought about by being shot in the head?

brilliant!

oh god yes that's...actually way too perfect. I actually would like Akai being Okiya Subaru in this case. Especially if Gin and Vodka and everyone says he's a zombie, just to f*ck with everyone.

RAISE THE DEAD AGAINST THE STREAM OF TIME!








Megure can be Bourbon. Just look at the past 2 cases. HE KNOWS IT ISN'T KOGORO'S FAULT THAT EVERYONE DIES.


"I'm sorry Kudo. But I have no choose but to kill you." *sits on Conan*
Conan: "..."

[Callid]

Ever thought about the possibility that he is just a new character and Gosho wants us to believe he is Bourbon (just like Jodie-Vermouth)? Perhaps the leader of the arson department is Bourbon?

Actually, all fans seem to jump to conclusions...

[Conia]

I rememeber Haibara at the end of episode 543 (Ikaku rock,part 2) looking at Shinichi's house, as if she knew Okiya comes from the BO, therefore being Bourbon...
It's really dificult, we don't have too much material to show who is Okiya ...
My guess: He is Bourbon and Akai is alive.

[Akonyl]

I rememeber Haibara at the end of episode 543 (Ikaku rock,part 2) looking at Shinichi's house, as if she knew Okiya comes from the BO, therefore being Bourbon...
It's really dificult, we don't have too much material to show who is Okiya ...
My guess: He is Bourbon and Akai is alive.

keep in mind, Akai was also in the BO as an undercover agent, so her BO sense could still go off because of him.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Since this is a no anime spoilers thread, here is a no anime spoilers version of the infernally long, conglomerated list of reasons Okiya is Akai. (The manga spoilers version is here by the way.) Of course, this theory requires Akai Shuuichi to be alive for it to work. If you want plausible theories about how CIA agent Hidemi (Kir) and Akai worked together to fake Akai's death then start reading here. If some images don't show up, it's because the images' locations have changed and I haven't been able to relink them.

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Okiya Subaru is Akai Shuuichi– the super duper reasoning conglomeration: no anime spoilers version
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Suggestive evidence that Okiya is Akai

Okiya and Akai have similar appearance and habits.
Okiya and Akai have a similar face shape and similar heights. When Ran kicked Okiya’s jaw (510), it was clear Okiya was not wearing a mask. Akai looks similar enough to Okiya that a wig and glasses are the only props needed for his disguise. He could have also had his hair straightened and dyed as well. We can’t see if Okiya has the Akai-like cheekbone lines due to his hair covering that part of his face. Akai probably wears glasses with an incorrect prescription so he is forced to squint on purpose like Genta’s dad did in "The culprit is Genta's dad?" (ep 551-552). Akai and Okiya both share the habit of putting their hands into their pockets. Also, they both tend to wear long sleeved business-like ensembles with high collars. http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=576.0

Spoiler: V63-8 660 pg 15

Okiya and Akai are both left handed.
Evidence about Akai's handedness. (May contain spoilers about what Okiya is doing with his hands in manga cases)

Conan trusts Okiya despite Haibara's misgivings.
Conan is paranoid; his trust around Okiya would be out of character for him if there wasn't a good reason for it. He didn't trust Jodie even though he knew that she was probably an FBI agent unless she could prove that Dr. Araide was Vermouth. ("Head-to-Head Match With the Black Organization; Two Mysteries of the Night of the Full Moon" 345)

Spoiler: V42-9

Note that Conan is disguising as Haibara.

Conan easily lends Okiya the keys to his house. (see the section “A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!”)
Conan trusts Okiya to help in cases that put him in close contact with both Haibara and him, like switching out the gasoline in a container for water to solve a case ("Blue Spark of Hate" 524 -525) or calling him to pick up everyone when Agasa’s car broke down, etc…
Also, Conan doesn’t mind the fact that Okiya is around Haibara.

"A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!" ("Conan vs. W Code Mystery" 510)
This is a terrible excuse; Conan can’t be serious. There was an entire murder case where all the suspects were Holmes fans. (Holmes Freak Murder Case 57-58) Conan didn't trust any of them (except Hattori but that’s besides the point). The password for the APTX data in "Meeting With the Black Organization Again" (176-178) was “Sherrinford” – one of the names Sir Arthur C. Doyle considered for his protagonist before choosing “Sherlock Holmes,” a likely indication that someone in the B.O. is a fan of the detective. Conan’s expression clearly shows he has another reason for why he trusts Okiya.

Spoiler: V60-6 624 pg 16

Conan seems to know about Okiya’s address despite having never met him. ("Red, White, Yellow, and the Detective Boys" 509) (Thanks, Sandam!)

Spoiler:

In the "Red, White and Yellow" case, Conan seems to recognize the address Okiya was staying at despite never having met Okiya before. This reaction would make sense if Akai told Conan where he was living while in disguise. While Okiya must have lived there long enough though for the kid to recognize his flower watering habits, the passage of time in DC is difficult to judge. Also, Okiya watered the plants everyday when no one else did previously, which means the kid could notice in just a few days when the garden improved.

Spoiler: V60-5 623 pg 7

Ran feels like she has seen Okiya from somewhere. ("Conan vs. W Code Mystery" 510)

Spoiler: V61-8 File638 pg. 3

Ran has met Akai thrice where she can remember: once in New York City (Kudo Shinichi's NY Case 286-288), in a restaurant (Metro Police Headquarters Love Story IV 253-254), and another time after the "Dark Footprint" (307-308). Ran's hunches are also pretty reliable: In the Shirigami case ("Murderer, Kudo Shinichi" 521, "Shinichi's True Face and Ran's Tears" 522) she acted abnormally around the fake Shinichi despite not consciously knowing the reason.

Spoiler: V35-4

Spoiler: V33-1

Spoiler: V37-8

Okiya hints to Jodie that things may not be as they seem (Quoted word for word from Abs.'s original post on the DC wiki)
When Okiya runs into Jodie at the department store and knocks her down, he tells her, "The division of fault is 50/50. You also bear some of the blame for neglecting to pay attention to your surroundings." It's not a throwaway line. As this occurred during Jodie's chase for "Shuu," aka Scar Akai, one can surmise that Okiya's intention may have been to hint, "I'm right here, you dolt."

"Okiya Subaru", "Moroboshi Dai", and "Akai Shuuichi" are all references to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable.
The “Akai” (meaning red) part of Akai’s name refers to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable’s nickname “Red comet.” “Shuuichi” is a reference to the voice actor of Char Aznable, Ikeda Shuuichi (who incidentally became Akai’s voice actor too). Moroboshi Dai, the alias Akai used while he was undercover in the Syndicate, comes from part of Char's real name, Casval Rem Deikun, with "Dei" pronounced as "Dai" (ダイ) in Japanese. In Moroboshi (諸星), the first kanji can be broken up into 言者 which when pronounced as げんしゃ (gensho) sounds very similar to the word for "phenomenon" (genshou). The second character (星) means "star". Moroboshi, read as "Star phenomenon" references falling stars or maybe comets. “Okiya Subaru” is a pun on Char Aznable’s real name which is キャスバル “Kiyasubaru” (romanized as 'Casval').
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_Aznable

No multi-case character has ever died in Detective Conan.
Despite the otherwise large numbers of dead people, Aoyama Gosho has never killed off anyone who has been around for more than one case, much less a protagonist. The closest Gosho has ever gotten was the death of Matsuda Jinpei in eps 301-304 ("Parade of Malice and Saint, Trembling Police Headquarters"), but we knew he was dead going into the story. Gosho has had 504 episodes to set a precedent.

Okiya and Akai use similar expressions. (thanks Abs.)
Both Akai and Okiya refer to the organization members as wolves:
Akai ("Clash of Red and Black" 497)

Spoiler: File599 pg6

Okiya ("The Crisis Beckoned by the Red Omen" 581)

Spoiler: V68-5 File704 pg16

Rebuttals of arguments that Okiya is a member of the Black Organization

Okiya drinks a bottle of bourbon - Akai likes bourbon whiskey. ("Deduction Showdown! Shinichi vs. Subaru Okiya" 511, "Kaito Kid's Teleportation Magic" 515)

Spoiler: V61-10 File640 16

This isn’t definitive evidence and has been misleadingly used to hint that the FBI agent Jodie was Vermouth.

Spoiler: V34-4

Also FBI agent Camel noted that bourbon is Akai's favorite drink ("Detective Boys vs. Burglar Gang (Turbulent)" 563).

Spoiler: V65-5 File677 pg 4

Okiya is smart and detective-like just like Bourbon - but so is Akai.
According to CIA agent Hidemi (Kir) Bourbon is a smart detective-like fellow who excels at gathering information. Akai is also smart and detective-like too. He managed to find James Black in "The Man from Chicago" (eps 258 - 259) although we don't know how he did it. In "Black Impact!" (ep 425) he figured out Mouri Kogoro would be a target well in advance. He noticed Hidemi was faking her coma while she was being kept in a the hospital. He came up with a good plan on how to return Hidemi to the organization. He figured out that Hidemi would likely be asked to kill him after returning to the organization to prove her loyalty and he came up with a plan in advance to realistically fake his death. Elaboration here.

Okiya triggers Haibara's black org senses - Akai does too.
Akai does too although she never explicitly says he does. It isn't surprising since he infiltrated the Black Org. before under the alias Moroboshi Dai where he received the codename Rye and worked under Gin. He freaks out Haibara in "The Man from Chicago" (eps 258 - 259) and also in "The Dark Footprint" (307-308). There were no other agents around both of these times that could cause her to feel the aura.

Spoiler: V32-9

Spoiler: V38-1

Conan doesn't want Okiya to learn much about Shinichi - because Conan is paranoid even around friendlies.
Conan hid all his pictures and family albums and told Ran not to talk about Shinichi around Okiya. (510) As stated before, Conan is a paranoid person even when he is pretty sure the people he is cooperating with are friendlies. He didn't trust Jodie right up until Vermouth revealed herself. ("Head-to-Head Match With the Black Organization; Two Mysteries of the Night of the Full Moon" 345) Limiting the number of people who know information that could get everyone around you killed is a good idea in general. The syndicate has gotten the better of the FBI in past cases and the org probably spies on the FBI heavily. Thus if it isn’t necessary, Conan would probably prefer the FBI doesn’t know his true identity.

Ran has the feeling she shouldn't talk about Shinichi with Okiya - because Akai is scary. ("Conan vs. W Code Mystery" 510, "Deduction Showdown! Shinichi vs. Subaru Okiya" 511)
Ran has the feeling she shouldn't talk about Shinichi with Okiya. Akai is a intimidating person – he is described as an evil-eyed man by Conan.

Spoiler: 597 pg5

Also Akai seriously frightened Ran during their first meeting in New York which would lead to negative association. (Kudo Shinichi's NY Case 286-288). Also, she may be picking up on Akai's curiosity towards Shinichi which simply makes her nervous after Conan warned her about it.

Okiya gave a cryptic answer why his favorite color is black - because Akai worked in the Org. (509 or 510)
Akai worked in the organization as a mole and he probably had to commit quite a few crimes in order to gain enough trust to progress up the Syndicate’s ranks. It’s actually very stressful for undercover spies. It’s no surprise why Akai would hate the color black too. Also Akai is generally a cryptic sort of person.

Spoiler: V60-5 623 pg7

"Conan is letting Okiya stay at his home to spy on him" - too dangerous for Conan to try.
While the saying goes, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer", this is a bloody ridiculous idea because Conan would be putting everyone he cares about in danger. There is no way that Conan would let a potential B.O. agent live near Haibara since, as neighbors, they have a high chance of meeting. A syndicate agent with any observational talent would figure out Haibara was Sherry. Anyone who knows her would probably be murdered. Also, by letting Okiya live in the house, it is certain that Okiya will find out Shinichi is alive. Conan himself basically told Okiya that Shinichi was alive when loaning his house keys out. If Okiya were a B.O. agent, that would mean an inevitable death sentence for everyone Conan knows, including Ran, because the B.O. would want to erase everyone who might know Shinichi was still alive and what he was investigating since Shinichi may have left compromising hints or the like. Basically, a B.O. agent living next door who isn’t Vermouth or similar is a death sentence.

Spoiler: V60-5 624 pg15

http://www.dctp.ws/V60-Reader/V60-5Read/A15.html

Spoiler: V65-6 680 pg5

http://www.dctp.ws/V65-Reader/V65-6Read/A5.html

Conan previously acknowledged that his house would be one of the best places so spy on Haibara and him from. (345) It stands to reason that he might consider an ally like Akai living there a bonus despite the risk of Akai figuring out that Conan is Shinichi.

Spoiler: V42-5

"Conan is making a mistake thinking Okiya is Akai when he isn’t" - not likely.
In general, this theory seems implausible because it depends too much on the idea that Conan is making a really dumb mistake. It would be out of character for Conan. If Conan were to think Okiya might be Akai then clearly Akai had a plan to fake his death with Hidemi’s help. The person impersonating Akai would have had to know Conan was in on it too in order to successfully fool Conan. So far the only B.O. agent known to suspect Conan is Vermouth. In "The Red Shaking Target" (581), it was shown that Okiya is not Vermouth because they both appeared at the same time. Also, there is the basic problem of how did she or any other agent for that matter get the critical information necessary to impersonate Akai as Okiya since Akai, Conan, and Kir planned out everything in secrecy? Also, if an agent besides Vermouth managed to get ahold of this information, then Kir, Conan and Haibara would probably be dead by now.

What was up with that line of Okiya's about "I've known his face..." in 581? - it was a secret message for Conan.

Spoiler: V67-8 pg16

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It was a message for Conan. Conan knows from what Okiya said that he had seen scar Akai, and Okiya's comments that, "Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken." You can parse his quote this way: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai (since I'm the real one), and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is obviously someone else..." Okiya is layering his conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai for Conan's benefit, and Conan is surprised and nervous about the info since scar Akai is someone in disguise, possibly an operative from the Black Organization because they have the necessary information and motives.

Rebuttals of theories that Okiya is someone else

Okiya is probably NOT a third party/new character
Okiya is unlikely to be a third party because he knows about Conan's tracking glasses and the detective badges. Conan has never used the tracking glasses in front of Okiya. A third party would not be privy to Conan's gadgets. The mechanism to operate Conan's glasses isn't obvious, so only someone who knows about their existence beforehand could recognize the glasses at Agasa's and figure out how to activate the tracking function. Akai Shuuichi could have heard about the glasses in several ways. The first source is when James Black was kidnapped while he had Ayumi's detective badge. Conan used the badge to track down James Black. James was waiting to meet with Akai before he was kidnapped and drove away with Akai after he was rescued. Akai could have also heard about the tracking function from Jodie when Conan chased after Kir to prevent an assassination. Finally, Akai may also know about them from when Haibara borrowed the glasses to find Conan at the shipping yards at the climax of the Vermouth arc. He was present at the time and would have seen Haibara wearing them even though she has never worn glasses when Akai had seen her previously.

Spoiler: 755 pg 14

http://dctp.ws/V72-Reader/V72-4Read/A14.html

Okiya is NOT Kudo Yuusaku.
This is a much stronger theory than the Okiya is a member of the Org theory, but there are some contradictions I can come up with.
1. Okiya is left handed while Kudo Yuusaku appears to be right handed although I haven’t ruled out the possibility of him being ambidextrous.

Spoiler: 51 pg 12

2. If Okiya was Yuusaku, why would Conan hide information about himself and family albums and the like from his own father? It is pointless because Yuusaku already knows Conan’s secret and probably also knows Haibara's as well since Yukiko knows and Yukiko is definitely the type to spill the beans to her husband.

Spoiler: V41-4.11

3. Ran has the feeling she shouldn’t talk about Shinichi in front of Okiya. Why would Shinichi’s father, even in disguise, give her those vibes?
4. It seems unusual that Prof. Agasa wouldn’t have felt like he knew Okiya from somewhere considering that Yuusaku is a close friend and old neighbor of his.
5. Okiya gives Haibara the black org vibes. Yuusaku as far as we know was never in the org and it would require a conspiracy on the part of Yuusaku to keep the knowledge of his dark past from his son. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
6. Okiya seems to recognize scar Akai ("The Bomber's Aim" 579/580). There is no known connection between scar Akai and Yuusaku although there definitely is one if Okiya is Akai. As in 5 it would require a conspiracy on Yuusaku’s part which to date there is no evidence of.

Okiya is NOT Kaito Kid.
Probably not since there is no evidence suggesting this is the case. Kid doesn't give Haibara the dark vibes in "The Strange Mansion Adventure" (394-396) or Kirin's Horn case (585-587) when he is disguise or in his full Kaito Kid regalia. Only in the anime adaptation of the Purple Nail Heist ("Kaito Kid's Teleportation Magic" 515), Okiya is shown watching the heist on his TV thus solidifying Kaito’s alibi. I hope Gosho might have intervened to prevent such an error.

Scar Akai is not the real Akai

Scar Akai is right handed, not left handed like Akai.
Scar Akai used his right hand to fire a handgun and to hand back a cellphone. It is unlikely scar Akai is simply using his right hand because he injured his left. In "Detective Boys vs. Robber Group - Silence" (564), he easily escaped the duct tape binding his hands, yet probably did not use the same method that Jodie used because there was still duct tape over his mouth. It doesn't make much sense for him to put the duct tape back his mouth again afterwards. Removing it with only one hand, especially if it's his off hand, would be difficult especially if robbers are watching you. (His eyes were covered so scar Akai couldn't be sure that no one was watching until the robbers pretended to be hostages which would give him only a few minutes to escape.) Switching handedness after head trauma does not appear to have been documented in scientific literature. That is not to say Gosho wouldn't consider using head trauma as an excuse to switch handedness, but it means that the concept lacks a precedent.

Scar Akai's behavior does not make sense if he is Akai.
If scar Akai is the real Akai, one must assume he either has his memory or he doesn't have it.
If he has his memory, Akai would absolutely not wander around in the open since it puts Hidemi (Kir) at risk with no gains to be made from doing so. The Organization's actions in the "Thirteen Red Shirts" case (578-581) demonstrate the danger.

If Akai does not have his memory, then it is plausible Akai would walk around in the open without knowing the danger he is in, however Akai's actions strongly suggest his memory is still intact. He seems to be stalking the FBI by appearing before them: something he would not do if he had lost all of his memory. Further emphasizing the point, Akai also apparently left a warning message to Jodie on her drink coaster during the events of the thirteen red shirts case. If perhaps he recognized the FBI a little and felt comfortable enough to leave Jodie a message, it is strange that he would not speak to the FBI agents since Scar Akai is clearly capable of speaking. ("The Red Shaking Target" 581) Scar Akai also appears to recognize Chianti. ("The Red Shaking Target" 581) Would you smile at a sniper if you had no idea who you were?

Spoiler: V68-5 File704 pg 5

http://www.dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-8Read/A5.html

Spoiler: V68-5 File704 pg 12

http://www.dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-8Read/A12.html

These contradictions are resolved if scar Akai is someone else in disguise as Akai and is trying to gauge from the FBI's reactions whether the real Akai is dead or not.

Scar Akai is faking inability to speak in front of the FBI
Scar Akai has avoided speaking in front of the FBI. Jodie assumed he lost his voice at first, but it was later proven that scar Akai is capable of speaking when he returned a phone.("The Red Shaking Target" 581) One may assume that Scar Akai became deaf but this does not explain why when Jodie called out to him and grabbed his arm, he didn't react at all. Deafness contradicts with his correct and prompt compliance with the robber's vocal demands at the Teito bank heist and the bomber's demands at the Beika dept store. If scar Akai was deaf, he wouldn't have been able to solve the red shirts case because he wouldn't have been able to read the receipts from where he was standing to see the time of purchase. Even if scar Akai could lip read, if he was deaf he would not have been able to figure out the bank robbers' plans and know it was safe to remove his duct tape.
A more reasonable explanation is that Scar Akai is not Akai and avoided speaking because he is unable to imitate Akai's voice.

Gin's actions suggest that he doesn't think Scar Akai is the real Akai.
Since Gin called Hidemi in the "Thirteen Red Shirts" case (5??-581), he has held a gun to her head the entire time. When Scar Akai leaves the department store in "The Red Shaking Target" (581), Gin observes him. After he gives the order for Chianti to leave, he lowers the gun from Hidemi's head. While Gin might not have wanted to shoot Kir with an unsilenced gun in front of a busy department store that is filled with police, if he thought that Kir was a traitor who had helped Akai fake his death, Gin would not have lowered his gun since Kir may attempt to retaliate in some fashion now that her cover has been blown. The lowering of the gun is concession on Gin's part that he knows or strongly suspects scar Akai isn't the real Akai.

Spoiler: V68-5 File704 pg 13

http://www.dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-8Read/A13.html

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[Abs.]

Since this is a no anime spoilers thread, here is a no anime spoilers version of the infernally long, conglomerated list of reasons Okiya is Akai.

Firstly, you had a lot of time on your hands to edit that down. 

Secondly, and the real reason for this reply: For the sake of clarity (especially for those with ADD and the like) it might be worth it to use a strikethrough for the titles of some of the rebuttals, as below:

Rebuttals of theories that Okiya is someone else

Okiya is Kudo Yuusaku

would become:

Rebuttals of theories that Okiya is someone else

Okiya is Kudo Yuusaku

Reason for this is 1) There was some confusion in the original thread, and 2) the rebuttals go on for enough length that the "rebuttal" heading scrolls off.

Rebuttals of arguments that Okiya is a member of the Black Organization

Okiya = B.O. member because Okiya drinks a bottle of bourbon.

may work as well.



Either that, or a big "NO." at the beginning of each explanation. 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Spoiler:

Since this is a no anime spoilers thread, here is a no anime spoilers version of the infernally long, conglomerated list of reasons Okiya is Akai.

Firstly, you had a lot of time on your hands to edit that down.  ;D

Secondly, and the real reason for this reply: For the sake of clarity (especially for those with ADD and the like) it might be worth it to use a strikethrough for the titles of some of the rebuttals, as below:

Rebuttals of theories that Okiya is someone else

Okiya is Kudo Yuusaku

would become:

Rebuttals of theories that Okiya is someone else

Okiya is Kudo Yuusaku

Reason for this is 1) There was some confusion in the original thread, and 2) the rebuttals go on for enough length that the "rebuttal" heading scrolls off.

Rebuttals of arguments that Okiya is a member of the Black Organization

Okiya = B.O. member because Okiya drinks a bottle of bourbon.

may work as well.



Either that, or a big "NO." at the beginning of each explanation.  

I put "NOT" in capital letters. I also put commentary next to the bourbon rebuttals. Is that better? It only took about thirty minutes to pare down and most of that was looking up which episodes correspond to which chapters since this is the anime version.

[kkslider5552000]

That theory fits perfectly and you are probably right.

But for some reason, I really can't see Okiya Subaru being Akai. Something is odd about it for some reason.

[ranger]

MacGuffin, you win, my good friend.

I am utterly convinced by your evidence, excellent post, +1000.
I wasn't able to look at the original thread because I didn't want to view manga spoilers, but man, what a great post.
There need's to be more of these "anime" type of threads for theories.

There was a lot of stuff I missed...especially the address that Conan seemed to know of and Ran's feeling that she met Okiya before.

Unless Gosho pulls out one of the greatest plot twists ever, I'm pretty sure got this one in the books, MacGuffin.
But...I'm a bit disappointed if you're right.  Gosho needs to expand more from the "oooh a suspicious person...is he a good guy or a bad guy?" concept.  So far, every suspicious character has been a good guy - Jodie, Eisuke, Kir, and now Okiya.

But, if Akai is truly Okiya...then who the hell is Bourbon?!  From past experience in the series, someone that we would least expect would be Bourbon ( a la Vermouth/Dr. Araide-sensai).

Another important thing to note for us anime watchers are the openings...they sometimes give away clues.  Back around episodes 300-ish...the opening included Jodie (which is to be expected, she was a rather important character), but it also included Dr. Araide, which was kinda weird/random/out of place.

This is rather crap evidence, but just something to think about....recently, other than Okiya being in the openings...we've seen a lot of Kaitou kid than usual 0_0.  

[Akonyl]

That theory fits perfectly and you are probably right.

But for some reason, I really can't see Okiya Subaru being Akai. Something is odd about it for some reason.

you're probably just hoping he's not akai because as you said earlier, it's an easy way out and sorta lame

but alas

[kkslider5552000]

That theory fits perfectly and you are probably right.

But for some reason, I really can't see Okiya Subaru being Akai. Something is odd about it for some reason.

you're probably just hoping he's not akai because as you said earlier, it's an easy way out and sorta lame

but alas

even ignoring that, I thought it was a possibility he was Akai before I even cared whether he was Bourbon or not (honestly, I only cared about the character at first because of his hilariously random cameo in the Kid Teleportation case) and I still thought it seemed odd. I KNEW Akai would be back the moment he died so it isn't because I thought Akai was really dead either.

Not sure why. At all.



I do admit that the more ridiculous theories here are more awesome.

[Abs.]

I put "NOT" in capital letters. I also put commentary next to the bourbon rebuttals. Is that better? It only took about thirty minutes to pare down and most of that was looking up which episodes correspond to which chapters since this is the anime version.

Many high-fives to you, my good man.



IN CASE YOU ARE FEMALE THE ABOVE "MAN" WAS A GENDER-UNSPECIFIC "MAN"

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Many high-fives to you, my good man.
IN CASE YOU ARE FEMALE THE ABOVE "MAN" WAS A GENDER-UNSPECIFIC "MAN"

lol

Spoiler:

gender has been redacted