Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Schillok]

Various notes from my round:

Don Costume should also be a prep phase action, in case someone wants to use a costume on Night 1

Might be worth a try. So far Irish and Yurikochan did not turn out as overpowered, so a little adjustment to make the more useful early on (and less useful later, like they were designed to be) should be okay.

May also want to implement Akonyl's suggestion re: Frighten notifications

Yeah. If your vote doesn't turn up, you should be notified that you are frightened so you know if you missed the submission of your lynch vote, the GM overlooked your vote or if you were hindered to vote.

Balance between activeness and BO's "collaborative" advantage

What do you mean here? Where there inactive BOs? Townies?

Make clear that Yumi is not to choose herself as one of the participants in a lover pair

Which would allow us to use "that other traffic police that is bound to appear in the Anime soon" as a role that HAS to include herself as a lover.

Follow/Accompany/Backup/Cite all count as follow - target notified number of times followed

Not sure here. I think it is okay to not say how often one was followed, it could help or endanger the followers both way.
Though... do we really need "backup" to give a message? The target is an Ally and will know it is being followed, right?

Does a thief get arrested if they tried to steal something when there wasn't anything there? Tentative: Yes

Yes.

Does someone get notified if a thief tries to steal something and there isn't anything there? No: Rules wording.

No.

We didn't implement that "x uses deduct/spy" needs a target! D: So have to let it go for now.

Deduct doesn't need a target. Unless we want to change it (like for example: Choose up to 7 players - if one of them is the killer tonight, you will be notified that one of them was the killer (but not who.). But I like the current way of just getting a list.
Spy depends on which version it uses again. If it is the old version that gives a random list of townies, you wouldn't need a target. If it is teh new version where you choose the targets, you need one.

Backup: Should be like "Follow" "Accompany" and "Cite": You can't do these things to yourself! XD

Agreed.

The mechanics of Kazuha's "Accompany" may need to be tweaked/reworded

What exactly is the problem? Follow someone and that someone gets 1 less lynch vote count (which won't be shown unless it matters. Is it too weak? Or where is the point that confuses the player?

Need something specifically saying whether, if APTX was attempted and identity was wrong, still a crime?

Since it is the same as killing: Yes. Even a killing attempt is a crime.

"Snoop," "Collect" - I had intended for these to not be investigatable since they lack targets

Did they get investigated during the game? Actions lacking a target can't be investigated in general.

Also, didn't we decide that Deduce and Spy investigations needed to name targets as well? Not in the rules yet.

Aren't they un-investigationable? In case they are not, the investigator needs to give a target. (Not sure if a role (spy) or a player (spy/deduce).
Though, I would prefer to keep them not able to be investigated.

Change the wording under General Definitions: BO killing order regarding "successful murder" - should be ATTEMPT

Guess someone read the PM I sent to Kleene. But yeah, it should be attempts.

Next time, just don't post any lover wills

The only problem are town-BO lovers, just like said before since they do not belong to either "side". The GM should be careful with them. Maybe a will should be allowed in case one side is almost winning already?

SI on dead players?

Yes. Special investigate can investigate any action in the past. If that action happened, you will get a "true" result. If not, you get "false". It does not matter if one - or both - targets is dead now.
You can also investigate dead players if you want - but you will always get a "false" since that player is already dead.
If the targets target is dead, it is the same: If you investigate a X killing Y, you will get a "true", despite Y being dead.

APTX failing in case of Charm or Lovey-Dovey: Not used up?

Yes. The BO won't get to know why their APTX failed.
Though, we might reconsider the idea of giving the BO an "reserve APTX", which they can use only if they have used up their other 3. That way the loss of an APTX is a little bit less harsh. (The BO usually has lost once they are out of APTX and didn't win at that point).

[Kleene Onigiri]

Follow/Accompany/Backup/Cite all count as follow - target notified number of times followed

Not sure here. I think it is okay to not say how often one was followed, it could help or endanger the followers both way.
Though... do we really need "backup" to give a message? The target is an Ally and will know it is being followed, right?
You should be notified. Sinceif 2 or more thiefs steal from you, you'll also get notified.

And backup should give a message, even to allies. Since a BO lover could backup someone else and pretend to have backed-up the ally

Does a thief get arrested if they tried to steal something when there wasn't anything there? Tentative: Yes

Yes.

Does someone get notified if a thief tries to steal something and there isn't anything there? No: Rules wording.

No.

IMO, both should be either yes or no.
Since if you can get arrested for it, the one that got stolen from should have noticed the thief. Otherwise there are no eye-witnesses for the crime, thus no crime could be reported.

APTX failing in case of Charm or Lovey-Dovey: Not used up?

Yes. The BO won't get to know why their APTX failed.
Though, we might reconsider the idea of giving the BO an "reserve APTX", which they can use only if they have used up their other 3. That way the loss of an APTX is a little bit less harsh. (The BO usually has lost once they are out of APTX and didn't win at that point).

I had the same question when APTX was used on a traveler in MM :V

[Conia]

Might be worth a try. So far Irish and Yurikochan did not turn out as overpowered, so a little adjustment to make the more useful early on (and less useful later, like they were designed to be) should be okay.

An idea I got, since there isn't a way to stop being stolen for consecutive Nights and be eventually poisoned :V

Dispose Item
Night Action/ Day action
Every player can use it (DBs and other players with only Day ability can only use it on Day. Still working on that)
-A player can choose to dispose of an item sacrifying their Night (or Day) ability. So, instead of using any action on that phase, a random item will be taken out of their inventory.
- Dispose Item > Steal, so the stealer won't be able to get the disposed item. If Dispose Item is used on the last available item, then Steal will be handled as if there wasn't any item left.
- Can be investigated (I guess :V)
-Not a Crime, can't be covered, blah blah blah :V

[Akonyl]

I'm not really a fan of that, as it pretty much trivializes stealing ("oh look my first item was stolen, better dispose of my second one") as everybody would do it, and it then defeats the purpose of akemi (and would make kid pretty bad imo).

[Schillok]

I'm not really a fan of that, as it pretty much trivializes stealing ("oh look my first item was stolen, better dispose of my second one") as everybody would do it, and it then defeats the purpose of akemi (and would make kid pretty bad imo).

Yeah. Beside... "Ran disposes her panties" or "Takagi disposes his gun" sounds so... wrong...

[Kleene Onigiri]

There was the question, what would happen if eri and Kobayashi use VoR on the same day:

I'd prefer it that both would be used up (since 2 deductions would also get used on the same day, which is also a "waste" kinda). But in the thread/post, it would say that there are 2 people that hindered the lynching. So people know that 2 people used it

[Schillok]

There was the question, what would happen if eri and Kobayashi use VoR on the same day:

I'd prefer it that both would be used up (since 2 deductions would also get used on the same day, which is also a "waste" kinda). But in the thread/post, it would say that there are 2 people that hindered the lynching. So people know that 2 people used it

Didn't we want to change VoR that it can be used only once per game anyway? So if Eri uses her first, Kobayashi won't be able to use hers then. (to avoid drawn out games)
In that case there is no need to tell anyone that 2 VoR were used. Which I would prefer.

[Akonyl]

that was something I suggested, but I dunno how much other people were thinking of  that suggestion.

[PT]

If you're gonna make it only usable once per game, might as well take it off one of them, imo. Doesn't seem fair to have it on both and then one never gets to use it because the other did first.

[Schillok]

If you're gonna make it only usable once per game, might as well take it off one of them, imo. Doesn't seem fair to have it on both and then one never gets to use it because the other did first.

That's completely fine with me. However, whenever I suggested this (removing it from Eri, obviously, since she had become quite powerful) it was rejected.
So, any objections from the other players?

[Kleene Onigiri]

If you're gonna make it only usable once per game, might as well take it off one of them, imo. Doesn't seem fair to have it on both and then one never gets to use it because the other did first.

That's completely fine with me. However, whenever I suggested this (removing it from Eri, obviously, since she had become quite powerful) it was rejected.
So, any objections from the other players?

Not really a "objection". But I see the problem of having Kobayashi VoR as the only role. And she's already a easy APTX target with panties and Healing :V
It happened the other way round once. Where we knew someone was able to heal and there was no VoR used at all, tho there were random lynchings at the beginning. And the BO was right in assuming it's Araide and not Kobayashi.
But like I said, not an objection. just means kobayashi will have it even harder now :V

[Cheesus]

I just wanna say Jinpei should be in this http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Jinpei_Matsuda

Personal Objective: Catch the Bomber

Abilities:
Night: Investigate
Night: Fast Text (Only used once in the game. Sends the results to a random Police member.)

Items: Normal things, Smokes

Note: Matsuda knows the role of Satou if she is in the game or not.

Thats what i think.
Anyone Disagree?

[Akonyl]

don't really like POs (especially those that depend on a separate role), don't like pairing roles together (knowing who Satou is) because it makes them worth less in games where the person doesn't exist, cigarettes would immediately identify him to the BO if they weren't given to any other roles, I'm not a huge fan of the ability either

so, at least for me, not a fan 

[Vylash]

Yoko Okino, Traveling Idol
Night/Day Action: Travel
Day Action: Discombobulate (Can't use while not in Japan)
Interrogation: Not BO
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Panties, Glasses, Car-Keys
Observe: Adult
\o/

[Mystery_angel801]

Yoko Okino, Traveling Idol
Night Action: Travel
Day Action: Discombobulate (Can't use while not in Japan)
Interrogation: Not BO
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: Panties, Glasses, Car-Keys
Observe: Adult
\o/

Another travelor! Shouldn't travel be a night/day ability?