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mysterygirl wrote: I wonder what they're going to do at...
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the detective agency. By the tone of their speaking, it almost sounds like they're playing a joke on Haibara and Agasa. The tanned guy even calls Conan a "brat". Which reminds me that we haven't seen Hattori for ages. >D But, um... Anyways...  I don't think they're BO. They may seem suspicious at this moment although the reactions from both Haibara and Agasa are just priceless for me.

At the end, they talk about how they're "looking forward to meeting" Mouri and also spoke of a massacre. Which is hard for me to take serious.... 
It's painfully obvious, after reading the translation, that those two are Inspectors Yamato Kansuke and Uehara Yui. The fact Agasa even references Yamato's scar nails it down. Not to mention Uehara's keen detective skills. Those two are good at their job, unlike many other detectives in the series. It was these two who figured out the killer in the Sengoku case from that clue about the blue eye shadow.
I, personally, would be amazed if this case lasts three chapters. This stands a better chance of being two chapters and lead to another case. I seriously doubt that Yamato and Uehara would go all that way to see Kogoro just to chat. Odds are they need something that they can only get going face to face. Though Yamato already knows Conan is the strength of that group. If they brought luggage means they might be staying in the area for a while.
I don't think they are playing a prank on those Agasa and Haibara. I think it's a misunderstanding. There is really nothing to say that the blood they found is human. Watch it's something like fish or eel, something edible and wouldn't matter if it died on the way. The fact they brought it with them probably makes it a local specialty. Something you can't get in Tokyo. Otherwise what is the point of bringing it. (Also possible that the blood was from a past suspect they transported, but since the blood still seems wet I'm thinking this is more recent.)
I'm not so sure that those holes are from bullets. The fact there is one mark on the driver seat and two on the passengers side door. I think those marks are probably from Yamato's cane. Since it damaged the seat they probably moved it to the trunk. I noticed it seemed to be missing. At first I thought he might of recovered enough to walk without it, or he may need it for the rest of his life. I don't know the extent of his injuries.

I'm really happy these two are back. I was really hoping these two would reappear at some point.

This chapter just reaffirms that Okiya isn't a member of the BO. The fact Conan suggested they have Okiya pick him up helps with that. Conan would never put Haibara at risk. Just remember the extents that Conan went to before to keep Haibara away from Jodie when he just suspected her. Like during the Bus Hijacking, Conan smeared his blood on her leg just to get her out of the area.
I think that if Conan is so sure he knows who Okiya isn't makes me believe that he knows just who he really is.
The same goes for Ran. Conan forgot to even mention that Okiya was there. If Okiya was dangerous there is no way he would of let Ran walk into something dangerous.
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Just a guess but could those two be referencing a kill game (poker)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_game_(poker)#Half_kill
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Kristantei wrote: It's painfully obvious, after reading the translation, that those two are Inspectors Yamato Kansuke and Uehara Yui. The fact Agasa even references Yamato's scar nails it down. Not to mention Uehara's keen detective skills. Those two are good at their job, unlike many other detectives in the series. It was these two who figured out the killer in the Sengoku case from that clue about the blue eye shadow.
Yeah. It is obvious. After going back through the last few posts, I can see the connection right away. I didn't even read the translation until after I posted that last post. I just went off automatically translating bits of the chapter. >D   In fact, I didn't even notice that new translation section which is pretty neat.  (But I should've gone back and edit that post. Ahhh. ... >D)

A misunderstanding from Haibara and Agasa's POV. Yes.  ^^;  

Yeah, I'm with you on wondering how this is going to be a 3 series arc, too. If that was the case of being a 3 series arc, the bad guys would of course, be introduced in the second arc. (But then, that would expand into a fourth part which has been done before several times.)

Looking forward to when the story goes back and focuses on Okiya. I had no doubts of him being with the BO from the very beginning.  
GinyuTaiko wrote: Just a guess but could those two be referencing a kill game (poker)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_game_(poker)#Half_kill
Yep. Most people in the translation thread agreed on Half-kill relating to Poker. It's the only thing that makes sense (for now).
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GinyuTaiko wrote: Just a guess but could those two be referencing a kill game (poker)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_game_(poker)#Half_kill
Not a bad thought, but it sounds like you did a wiki search on the term Half Kill. I do give you some props on doing research. Shows some good promise.
Did you take into account that what Tamato literally says "hangoroshi". That does translate from Japanese as meaning 'half kill', but do you know if that term is used in Japan for poker?
Not to mention, when did Yamato ever play poker with Kogoro. If anything he may feel that the Sengoku case was like a poker game, but if so; then why the comment on everyone getting killed?
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Upon further research in Google, I find that this term, å
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mysterygirl wrote: ...
Yep. Most people in the translation thread agreed on Half-kill relating to Poker. It's the only thing that makes sense (for now).
I'm not sure if Yamato means the same thing, but I did discover Aoyama's inspiration (link). ("Hangoroshi" and "minagoroshi" are the terms for "half-kill" and "slaughter" used in file 680. If they were meant as the names of limit poker variants, I'd think they'd just use English terms (or Katakana English), but maybe Yamato doesn't like using English terms.)
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^ Yeah, usually they would use katakana for English words but sometimes, that's not always the case. I found it all 3 ways on Google. English, kanji, and katakana.

=_= Hmm..  Well, if not a Poker game, then what?
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This new chapter is too much for my current brain. lol
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Maybe Yamato was using poker preferences while actually meaning something else?
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Yup, seems that Yamato and Uehara from the Furinkazan case are the two passengers of that car, and they're going to Tokyo to ask help from...Conan! I think they know that Mouri is useless.

Wouldn't it be funny if Yamato & Uehara and Takagi & Sato met? They're like mirrors of each other, but with the latter more advanced in their relationship. Hopefully Aoyama-sensei develops the former's relationship. But I digress...

Haibara is funny.
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mysterygirl wrote: Yep. Most people in the translation thread agreed on Half-kill relating to Poker. It's the only thing that makes sense (for now).
I'm for half-kill referencing being drunk rather than poker. My reasons for this are that the guy was up half the night previous, and is now sleeping in the car. Normal for someone with a hangover. They brought "lots of presents" which you can see on this page next to Agasa are just the right size for alcoholic beverages.
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Mouri likes to drink so the choice of present makes sense. Remember Hattori brought baijiu (yes that's the correct romanization) when he first came. Rejoicing loudly fits well with drunken behavior. Being totally killed refers to being completely sodded rather than half sodded and for some reason men often like to compare their ability to drink which is why that guy was saying "my half-kill and their half kill can't be compared."

I think the expression that Yamato is misreferencing a japanese phrase akin to "dead-drunk": something like any of the following:
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[size=14pt]泥酔 【でいすい】 (n,vs) dead drunk; (P)
飲んだくれる 【のんだくれる】 (v1) to get dead drunk
酔い潰れる 【よいつぶれる】 (v1,vi) to drink oneself dead drunk
その男は三杯で酔いつぶれてしまった。 After three drinks, the man passed out.
大酔 【たいすい】 (n,vs) dead drunk
乱酔 【らんすい】 (n,vs) dead drunk
ぐでんぐでん (n,adj-na) dead drunk
ぐでんぐでんに酔っぱらっている。 He is dead drunk.[/size]
Haibara yawning was a hint to look for idioms. The japanese expression for stifling a yawn uses the kanji for "kill" (殺)
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[size=14pt]噛み殺す; 噛殺す 【かみころす】 (v5s,vt) (1) to stifle a smile, yawn, etc.; (2) to bite to death
(1) 私はあくびをかみ殺した。 I suppressed a yawn.[/size]
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i have 2 questions: how do you explain the blood stains and the bullet marks on the seats? if they were yamato and uehara pair from furinkazan case as most people believe?
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well at first i thought about getting drunk too. the present would be at right size. but he said "it would be great if everyone ended up getting killed" how many of them can drink? not many... so i googled half-kill and its about poker... but why the present then? it cant be cards... its to big... its confusing...
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cdgal wrote: i have 2 questions: how do you explain the blood stains and the bullet marks on the seats? if they were yamato and uehara pair from furinkazan case as most people believe?
Go through this thread and you will see my explanations on this case.

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=18067#p18067
http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=18259#p18259
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