Mafia - Round 9 (Town wins!)

[Abs.]

I was thinking that myself AFAIK DT would still have Jack Blacks abilities if he was Vermouth

Aye, but would he have Jack SPARROW's abilities?  

Detective Tommy sure can make people laugh, though.  Facepalming is the same as laughing, no? 

[Detective Tommy]

I was thinking that myself AFAIK DT would still have Jack Blacks abilities if he was Vermouth

Aye, but would he have Jack SPARROW's abilities? 

Detective Tommy sure can make people laugh, though.  Facepalming is the same as laughing, no? 

I don't understand why me investigating "Abs investigate Laurell" is so funny.
I saw it as a post, not knowing whether is was a joke.

I didn't know what else to investigate, so I just chose that...

[CTU]

I was thinking that myself AFAIK DT would still have Jack Blacks abilities if he was Vermouth

Aye, but would he have Jack SPARROW's abilities?  

Detective Tommy sure can make people laugh, though.  Facepalming is the same as laughing, no?  

nobody can have Jack Sparrows abilities...except Jack Bauer

and lol on the comment about DT

[Detective Tommy]

-__-'

[Abs.]

Police Officer: "Ran (Laurell) suddenly collapsed! Stay away! ..... it's no use. Ran is already dead. We can't help her anymore. Seems like she was poisoned"

Yamamura: "How terrible! Huh? There is a strange note in her pocket."

Note:

A: aggression, avoid
B: beaten
C: confidence, confusion, camouflage
D: despair
E: enthusiastic
H: help
J: jeopardize
K: kind
L: leaving
N: no-more
P: passionate
S: sacrifice, selfless
x: x-tinct

@Kleene  If you would be so kind as to provide a clarification...

* Hints, Riddles, Will, Tape/Video tape
- There can be various hints/riddles given out by the GM. This can contain true and false hints. It can be about lovers in the game or who was the murderer etc. There can be hints in the dream or with the PMing of actions too.
- Every player can PM a "Will" to the GM. It can be a letter, a tape or just a item that you'll drop. This Will will be shown in case you're lynched. You can also tell the GM the way you want to die (in case you prefer to burn instead of being hanged etc.)
- The BO can leave a tape/video after each murder. A tape could also be from the GM and not the BO. Thus it can have true clues or false clues.
- The GM has the last decision. In case a will or tape is giving out too much info, then it can be changed by the GM accordingly.

Is the following correct:
If it's a video it's from the B.O.
If it's a letter or an item it's from the player.
If it's a tape it could be from the B.O. or the player.
And any of them (or parts of them) could be from you instead?   

[Conia]

Police Officer: "Ran (Laurell) suddenly collapsed! Stay away! ..... it's no use. Ran is already dead. We can't help her anymore. Seems like she was poisoned"

Yamamura: "How terrible! Huh? There is a strange note in her pocket."

Note:

A: aggression, avoid
B: beaten
C: confidence, confusion, camouflage
D: despair
E: enthusiastic
H: help
J: jeopardize
K: kind
L: leaving
N: no-more
P: passionate
S: sacrifice, selfless
x: x-tinct

@Kleene  If you would be so kind as to provide a clarification...

* Hints, Riddles, Will, Tape/Video tape
- There can be various hints/riddles given out by the GM. This can contain true and false hints. It can be about lovers in the game or who was the murderer etc. There can be hints in the dream or with the PMing of actions too.
- Every player can PM a "Will" to the GM. It can be a letter, a tape or just a item that you'll drop. This Will will be shown in case you're lynched. You can also tell the GM the way you want to die (in case you prefer to burn instead of being hanged etc.)
- The BO can leave a tape/video after each murder. A tape could also be from the GM and not the BO. Thus it can have true clues or false clues.
- The GM has the last decision. In case a will or tape is giving out too much info, then it can be changed by the GM accordingly.

Is the following correct:
If it's a video it's from the B.O.
If it's a letter or an item it's from the player.
If it's a tape it could be from the B.O. or the player.
And any of them (or parts of them) could be from you instead?   

I thought the note was 100% from Kleene

[Abs.]

I thought the note was 100% from Kleene

I thought so too, but then I remembered that Laurell was trying to be a mystery novelist, so...


You know what...  Never mind.  I think Kleene admitted as much with the "where is my D" and "sorry for the mistakes."  But I guess I would still like it clarified.

[Akonyl]

I thought the note was 100% from Kleene

I thought so too, but then I remembered that Laurell was trying to be a mystery novelist, so...

it probably is from Kleene anyway. I don't think Laurell would know she'd be leaving anyway.

Also, I'm about to go to sleep and as of yet I haven't really devised any plan to determine whether he's Kid or not, as if I asked for an item stealing, the BO could have Akemi do it and act like Kid. Currently, my best reason for him not being Kid is that he dismissed any chance of Tommy being James Black, rather than saying Tommy could be Vermouth-Black (unless I missed this).

So basically, if Tommy is claiming Black, and Rye is still claiming black, then the only course of action I can see would be to attempt to arrest Tommy under the charge of him disguising as Black, and having Eri bust him out later if it turned out he was Kid, but the he'd just be auto-arrested. So, who knows.

There is also the curious note of Conia and his dreams. If Conia is a townie, I see little reason for him to hide the night 1 dream and PM it to select people before revealing it in the thread, instead of just revealing it immediately, and leaving out the exact town roles. And being that him and James Rye seem connected, this adds a bit more to my suspicion of Rye.

[Abs.]

I thought the note was 100% from Kleene

I thought so too, but then I remembered that Laurell was trying to be a mystery novelist, so...

it probably is from Kleene anyway. I don't think Laurell would know she'd be leaving anyway.

I sent my will during the preparation phase 

Also, I'm about to go to sleep and as of yet I haven't really devised any plan to determine whether he's Kid or not, as if I asked for an item stealing, the BO could have Akemi do it and act like Kid. Currently, my best reason for him not being Kid is that he dismissed any chance of Tommy being James Black, rather than saying Tommy could be Vermouth-Black (unless I missed this).

So basically, if Tommy is claiming Black, and Rye is still claiming black, then the only course of action I can see would be to attempt to arrest Tommy under the charge of him disguising as Black, and having Eri bust him out later if it turned out he was Kid, but the he'd just be auto-arrested. So, who knows.

Um did little DB suddenly become a policeman?  I'm confused.  But anyway if you are able to arrest, you could instead investigate the stealing you outlined above.  So for example:
Tommy steals from Akonyl.
Akonyl investigate Tommy stealing from Akonyl.
Akonyl investigate (Schillok) stealing from Akonyl.
Akonyl investigate (Kleene) stealing from Akonyl.
You would receive a notification if you were stolen from (so not black suitcase stealing), and you would have a moderate chance of catching Akemi if he does turn out to be B.O.

And if you announce your intentions in this thread, if there is a real Kid out there that is not Tommy he won't try to steal from you    (But Akemi will have to.)

There is also the curious note of Conia and his dreams. If Conia is a townie, I see little reason for him to hide the night 1 dream and PM it to select people before revealing it in the thread, instead of just revealing it immediately, and leaving out the exact town roles. And being that him and James Rye seem connected, this adds a bit more to my suspicion of Rye.

I deduce from this that conia had the Night 1 dream Akonyl had the Night 2 dream...  But I have no idea what it means. 

[Akonyl]

Um did little DB suddenly become a policeman?  I'm confused.  But anyway if you are able to arrest, you could instead investigate the stealing you outlined above.  So for example:
Tommy steals from Akonyl.
Akonyl investigate Tommy stealing from Akonyl.
Akonyl investigate (Schillok) stealing from Akonyl.
Akonyl investigate (Kleene) stealing from Akonyl.
You would receive a notification if you were stolen from (so not black suitcase stealing), and you would have a moderate chance of catching Akemi if he does turn out to be B.O.

And if you announce your intentions in this thread, if there is a real Kid out there that is not Tommy he won't try to steal from you    (But Akemi will have to.)

There is also the curious note of Conia and his dreams. If Conia is a townie, I see little reason for him to hide the night 1 dream and PM it to select people before revealing it in the thread, instead of just revealing it immediately, and leaving out the exact town roles. And being that him and James Rye seem connected, this adds a bit more to my suspicion of Rye.

I deduce from this that conia had the Night 1 dream Akonyl had the Night 2 dream...  But I have no idea what it means.   :-\

by "the only course of action I can see", I mean that whoever the policeman is out there could do it. We do know there's a policeperson out there somewhere in the game, after all.

The problem with the investigating thing is even if I found the policeman and partnered with them, I have no way of knowing that the "Kid" isn't actually just Akemi.

As to the dreams, no. Conia showed the Night 1 dream to me during night 2, but this is the first I've seen of that second dream.

[Abs.]

The problem with the investigating thing is even if I found the policeman and partnered with them, I have no way of knowing that the "Kid" isn't actually just Akemi.

Well yeah, unless the police person got lucky with the two other investigations.  Or if there's still some other investigation-capable people out there that can cover other Akemi candidates.  (But if you haven't found even one of them yet, it's gonna take a while to figure out if you can trust them, or they you.  Just sayin'.)

Actually you're confusing me here now that I read your statement again.  You are distrustful of James Rye and Detective Tommy because they both claimed to be the same role, right?  So either:
1) One is the real James Black and the other is just not James Black at all (B.O.), or
2) One is Vermouth-James-Black (B.O) and one is 1412-James-Black, or
3) One is Vermouth-James-Black (B.O)and the other one is just not James Black at all (B.O.), or
4) One is Kid-James-Black and the other one is just not James Black at all (B.O.)

If 1), 3), and 4), it's possible that the "not James Black at all (B.O.)" player is Akemi.  But it's hard to imagine that Akemi decided to claim to be James Black in the first place knowing that she might have to backtrack and say, "Just kidding, I'm 1412!" and have to prove it by stealing something.

Well, it's not impossible, I admit...

Okay, I get where you are coming from now, never mind.

...Where does that leave us?

[Kleene Onigiri]

Since if you get tricked/intimidated, you don't get results, but if someone investigated you it will still come out as true (even tho it was tricked/intimidated)

Wait Kleene, what?  

So if Laurell investigated if Schillok killed Beastly.
Kleene tricked Laurell.
nomemory investigated if Laurell investigated Schillok.
nomemory --> Laurell investigated Schillok (true)

I was under the impression that it would be false.

No. It will be true. Otherwise the "Balck Suitcase" wouldn't work either, because it's considered "being tricked" too.

So if it would be the was you described it:
Kleene Onigiri (BO), Schillok (Megure)
Kleene Onigiri uses Black suitcase: Investigate 5:
"Beastly killed nomemory" (no results because of black suitcase)
Schillok investigates: Kleene Onigiri investigated beastly (true, because it's a fake investigation)

Schillok to Kleene: "So, what results did you get with investigation?"
Kleene: "I was tricked, so I didn't get any results"
Schillok: "What? but if you got tricked, then I shouldn't have gotten a "true" response! You're BO with black suitcase!"
Kleene: "erm... damn..."

See what I mean? :p Of course the BO could try to guess the right answer. Or investigate something they know anyway. But that's not the point from the black suitcase. And always being tricked is suspicious too.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Police Officer: "Ran (Laurell) suddenly collapsed! Stay away! ..... it's no use. Ran is already dead. We can't help her anymore. Seems like she was poisoned"

Yamamura: "How terrible! Huh? There is a strange note in her pocket."

Note:

A: aggression, avoid
B: beaten
C: confidence, confusion, camouflage
D: despair
E: enthusiastic
H: help
J: jeopardize
K: kind
L: leaving
N: no-more
P: passionate
S: sacrifice, selfless
x: x-tinct

@Kleene  If you would be so kind as to provide a clarification...

* Hints, Riddles, Will, Tape/Video tape
- There can be various hints/riddles given out by the GM. This can contain true and false hints. It can be about lovers in the game or who was the murderer etc. There can be hints in the dream or with the PMing of actions too.
- Every player can PM a "Will" to the GM. It can be a letter, a tape or just a item that you'll drop. This Will will be shown in case you're lynched. You can also tell the GM the way you want to die (in case you prefer to burn instead of being hanged etc.)
- The BO can leave a tape/video after each murder. A tape could also be from the GM and not the BO. Thus it can have true clues or false clues.
- The GM has the last decision. In case a will or tape is giving out too much info, then it can be changed by the GM accordingly.

Is the following correct:
If it's a video it's from the B.O.
If it's a letter or an item it's from the player.
If it's a tape it could be from the B.O. or the player.
And any of them (or parts of them) could be from you instead?   

Is the following correct:
If it's a video it's from the B.O. (yes, if it was dropped at night, but the GM can also manipulate it or leave a fake one with true or false hints)
If it's a letter or an item it's from the player. (yes, but can also be manipulated by the GM if the GM is mean and want's to do it)
If it's a tape it could be from the B.O. or the player. (at night the tape can be from BO or GM left it. At day the person that died can leave it or mean GM left it)
And any of them (or parts of them) could be from you instead?  (yes. So if they are not like letters etc. but for example yamamura said something, or police notices an item that was dropped, then it's definitely from the GM (true or false hint here too))

>D

[Kleene Onigiri]

I thought the note was 100% from Kleene

I thought so too, but then I remembered that Laurell was trying to be a mystery novelist, so...


You know what...  Never mind.  I think Kleene admitted as much with the "where is my D" and "sorry for the mistakes."  But I guess I would still like it clarified.

The "where is my D" doesn't have to mean it's my note. If laurell left that note instead of me, then he could have made the "D" too. But I simply forgot to add it.
I could also have used laurells note and modify it a bit (so that there are some true hints, false hints or that the hint's aren't too strong either)

[Abs.]

Since if you get tricked/intimidated, you don't get results, but if someone investigated you it will still come out as true (even tho it was tricked/intimidated)

Wait Kleene, what?  

So if Laurell investigated if Schillok killed Beastly.
Kleene tricked Laurell.
nomemory investigated if Laurell investigated Schillok.
nomemory --> Laurell investigated Schillok (true)

I was under the impression that it would be false.

No. It will be true. Otherwise the "Balck Suitcase" wouldn't work either, because it's considered "being tricked" too.

So if it would be the was you described it:
Kleene Onigiri (BO), Schillok (Megure)
Kleene Onigiri uses Black suitcase: Investigate 5:
"Beastly killed nomemory" (no results because of black suitcase)
Schillok investigates: Kleene Onigiri investigated beastly (true, because it's a fake investigation)

Schillok to Kleene: "So, what results did you get with investigation?"
Kleene: "I was tricked, so I didn't get any results"
Schillok: "What? but if you got tricked, then I shouldn't have gotten a "true" response! You're BO with black suitcase!"
Kleene: "erm... damn..."

See what I mean? :p Of course the BO could try to guess the right answer. Or investigate something they know anyway. But that's not the point from the black suitcase. And always being tricked is suspicious too.

Nooo did you just contradict yourself?

Okay in your example:
Kleene false-investigated
Kleene claimed TRICKED
Schillok investigated if Kleene investigated (true)
In conclusion:  Kleene false-investigated, and was not tricked.  Schillok investigates and gets a (true) response.
But if Kleene false-investigated (OR real investigated) and WAS tricked, Schillok should get a (false) response.  This is what your example says!

In the example I gave above:
Laurell investigated
Laurell WAS TRICKED
nomemory investigated if Laurell investigated (true)

And you said this was correct as well.  But it should be (false) as per your example above!