Political Discussion Topic

[hakkaino7]

Lol... for a while there I thought this was topic was going from

Obama --> Nobel Piece Prize --> Nazis --> Global Warming --> Religion --> Smileys


but then looks like religion was skipped since everyone loves smileys

[Kor]

Lol... for a while there I thought this was topic was going from

Obama --> Nobel Piece Prize --> Nazis --> Global Warming --> Religion --> Smileys


but then looks like religion was skipped since everyone loves smileys

I actually respect people who are religious. They have their believes and I don't intend to stand in their way, that of course if they don't stand in mine. My sarcasm towards religious is actually due to my hate for "ultra-orthodox jews" who are religious, but THE worst people.
Since I don't want to make it a "why people should hate the ultra-orthodox jews" I'm going to go back to smilies:
8)

[Vylash]

Lol... for a while there I thought this was topic was going from

Obama --> Nobel Piece Prize --> Nazis --> Global Warming --> Religion --> Smileys


but then looks like religion was skipped since everyone loves smileys

I actually respect people who are religious. They have their believes and I don't intend to stand in their way, that of course if they don't stand in mine. My sarcasm towards religious is actually due to my hate for "ultra-orthodox jews" who are religious, but THE worst people.
Since I don't want to make it a "why people should hate the ultra-orthodox jews" I'm going to go back to smilies:
8)

Yeah me too, i don't mind other religions but don't try to force it on me, and keep it out of the schools

[Callid]

Yeah me too, i don't mind other religions but don't try to force it on me, and keep it out of the schools

I totally agree with you. Religion may be in school, as long as it is only in religion education and you can freely choose to have ethic education instead (as it is in Germany). But religion has to be kept out of any science, mathematics or whatever.
I do also agree about eco-terrorists (but it seems they do definitely not exist in Germany at all). But I disagree about taxes on waste of energy. If someone is using an abnormal amount of electric energy or water (but especially water) I think he should pay additional taxes (You could also use an increment on  the price of water/liter, but that's much more complicated). I also think that the sorting of litter should be obligational, although I can't think of a way to control it.

But of course it's not right to extend that to all German, especially those of nowadays, because Germany is now very contra-antisemitism.

I know that and you know that, the problem is that they know that but still decide to tell the "story" like germany is the villain and make little kids think that germans are evil people.
I usually don't befriend with people with such an opinion on germany, but I do have a friend who swore to never go to germany (even though last summer he did, but not because he changed his opinion.  :-\) this is how the conversation goes with him.
me: why won't you go to germany?
him: because they were responsible for the holocaust
me: the nazis were responsible for the holocaust
him: and the nazis were german
me: you know that there are no longer nazis, right?
him: yes
me: then why won't you ever go there?
him: because their not good people
me: and what have they ever done to you?
him: nothing, but because of them there was the holocaust.

it's like talking to a wall. He is a smart person, but yet he doesn't want to realize that the germans of now or not the germans of "then". The only friends I have from germany aren't even jewish and they are good people and fun to be with of course...
So if a smart person feels that way, there's something awfully wrong with the way they teach about the holocaust (at least in the early grades) and some Israeli steriotype parents who can't think for themselves and teach their children that everybody hates us.
When my german grandmother will die and I'll inherit her two apartments in munich and all her money, I'm moving the hell out of here! (I can open to discussion why I don't like my grandmother but it's pretty boring...)

I do agree. It's a pity that people like that exist, but we have to get through that. You can't change everyone, be happy that you know better. At first I thought we would have someone in here as well (everyone may now guess whom I referring to), but probably I was wrong (Have you got it? If not, read the whole topic again. If you still don't know it, then there's no help for you).

Lol... for a while there I thought this was topic was going from

Obama --> Nobel Piece Prize --> Nazis --> Global Warming --> Religion --> Smileys


but then looks like religion was skipped since everyone loves smileys

Yes. But this is a political topic. We should get back to Global Warming at least, this topic is still related to politics (Religion is as well, but perhaps you could start an extra topic for that). Smileys are definitely not related to politics at all. [no smiley] I'm serious.

I personally would like to discuss differences between political spectrum and situations in different countries, but feel free to suggest or write about another political topic.

[hakkaino7]

Yes. But this is a political topic. We should get back to Global Warming at least, this topic is still related to politics (Religion is as well, but perhaps you could start an extra topic for that). Smileys are definitely not related to politics at all. [no smiley] I'm serious.

I personally would like to discuss differences between political spectrum and situations in different countries, but feel free to suggest or write about another political topic.

Nah, I don't think that kind of topic is safe...

btw I just noticed this, but every time obama smiles it reminds me of smileys

Hmm.. If I were to rant about politics in my country, I think it's going to be the fact that people here (as well as most countries) always blame things on the government. They go and play around during high school, get pregnant early, etc. etc. the usual background story for most poor people. Then they can't find a job. Have more plenty of time to you know*wink* *wink* *budge* *budge*. They have kids from 5 to 10(not the age). And they start blaming the government that they can't get a good job.

I know this is common but, since those kind of people here are also common, the president in our next election this coming year will have to be the one who the masses trust the most. Instead of the one who the more highly educated and who knows-more-about-politics-and-economy-who-isn't-me etc. etc.

Just like that last president who's slogan was Erap para sa mahirap (Erap for the poor...It rhymes in tagalog that's why I posted it this way). But then he was an actor who is more of an expert in business and definitely not economy. But then he went to jail because of a corruption thingy. Our current president now is, for me, somewhat ok. Anyways... I'll tell you more but I'm getting late 

Oh, btw if your curious, I live in the Philippines

[Kor]

Yes. But this is a political topic. We should get back to Global Warming at least, this topic is still related to politics (Religion is as well, but perhaps you could start an extra topic for that). Smileys are definitely not related to politics at all. [no smiley] I'm serious.

I personally would like to discuss differences between political spectrum and situations in different countries, but feel free to suggest or write about another political topic.

Nah, I don't think that kind of topic is safe...

btw I just noticed this, but every time obama smiles it reminds me of smileys

I was going to write the same thing, and besides, I have a proof:





They are like twins

I personally would like to discuss differences between political spectrum and situations in different countries, but feel free to suggest or write about another political topic.

You'd have to explain what political spectrum means. I'm not familiar with the english terms for politics.

[Akonyl]

You'd have to explain what political spectrum means. I'm not familiar with the english terms for politics.

the "political spectrum" refers to the different scales that are in politics, the most frequent one being republican/conservative vs democrat/liberal. So, your position on the "political spectrum" is just how conservative vs how liberal you are.

[Callid]

You'd have to explain what political spectrum means. I'm not familiar with the english terms for politics.

the "political spectrum" refers to the different scales that are in politics, the most frequent one being republican/conservative vs democrat/liberal. So, your position on the "political spectrum" is just how conservative vs how liberal you are.

The political system does not have to be one-dimensional, it may also be two- or even three-dimensional; an example for two-dimensional would be conservative vs. liberal foreign policy and conservative vs. liberal internal policy.
You may have a liberal internal policy (human rights etc.) but still wage wars of aggression against yoor neighbours.



I once made a constitution together with a friend of mine where we united two fictional states (Donnersberg & Carlsfeld). Yes, we do such things. I translated the figure into English, but perhaps I made some translation mistakes. I'm not that familiar with English politics terms. I hope you're able to read and understand it. Feel free to comment (actually this is why I'm posting it here, after all^^).



A few explanations:

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The decrees of the Parliament and the law
The Parliament's decrees are more important than the law, so if there's a contradiction between the law and the decrees, the decrees overrule the laws. The constitution of course must not be overruled by either law or decree.

Limitation of small parties
There's no limitation how many percent you have to get to get a seat in the parliament (In Germany, for example, you need 5% of the votes to get a seat in Parliament). So you only need 1/169 of the votes (or enough to make up one seat). However, this party has not 1/20 of the power of a party with 20 seats, as you will notice soon.
The decrees are not passed by the whole Parliament, but instead by a so-called Governing Commission. This commission dedicates it's work to one subject, for example the construction of a new harbour (the thought is that the specialists for education work on education, those for infrastructure on infrastructure and so on).
The commission is composed of all parties in Parliament and the percentage of votes for every party is also the same as in Parliament, but it does not have to be split among a special amount of people. So, even if his party makes up 50% of the Parliament, one man can still represent it in a Governing Commission and also has 50% of the votes, even if the Governing Commission consists of 20 people.
Now keep in mind that there are about 30 different Governing Commissions at one time and the small party has only one member in the Parliament. This member is now unable to be a part of every Governing Commission; if he is really hard-working he can perhaps manage 8. His percentage of votes in all other Governing Commissions forfeits. Therefore a small party can only attend the topics most important to it. So the small parties will not spoil overall politics but can still successfully represent the minority that voted for them.

Election system for the king
A king is elected for lifetime. He may only be dismissed by the 85%-vote or has to resign when he reaches the age of 75. He may of course resign at any moment if he wishes so. If none of this cases happens, the king stays king until he dies.
When a new king is crowned, he has to announce 7 candidates for his successor ("king candidates"). 3 of them have to be from the royal family (of Donnersberg), but it may be more. He may change the candidates every year. If he dies or stops his work as a king for another reason (see above) one of the king candidates is elected as the new king by all people of Donnersberg. He has to name 7 new candidates and so on.
No candidate may be older than 70 or younger than 25. Neither the king nor a candidate (!) may hold any other political office except for a district one, but he/she may have hold one before getting king or candidate.

[Akonyl]

You'd have to explain what political spectrum means. I'm not familiar with the english terms for politics.

the "political spectrum" refers to the different scales that are in politics, the most frequent one being republican/conservative vs democrat/liberal. So, your position on the "political spectrum" is just how conservative vs how liberal you are.

The political system does not have to be one-dimensional, it may also be two- or even three-dimensional; an example for two-dimensional would be conservative vs. liberal foreign policy and conservative vs. liberal internal policy.
You may have a liberal internal policy (human rights etc.) but still wage wars of aggression against yoor neighbours.

of course, I didn't say it was one-dimensional. As I said, there's more than one political spectrum, because of the multiple dimensions, however, the one that is most commonly used is the blanket "conservative vs liberal" spectrum.

[triplelite]

I'm actually religious - Christian - since I've found the values in which you learn and uphold are rather important, and gives me smiles and hope in alot of cases where I probably would've used anger instead. It's a constant reminder for me personally so in that way it helps me. I've always found dissappointment in people that believe in their religion, yet seems to be doing what their values are telling them not to - and also others who's not educated in knowing the religion they're despising of.

What does everyone think of Australia in terms of politicalness? Just curious

[Callid]

Australia...

Well, I tried to sort the nations of the 1st world in the more USA-like ("conservative")

Spoiler:

which would be the USA, Israel and perhaps GB

and the  Germany-like (or Europe-like).

Spoiler:

which would be the EU, Japan and Canada

The only ones I didn't know enough about were South Korea, New Zealand and Australia.

I think I know Australia's geography and biota quite well, but about politics I know almost nothing, except for the existing of ANZUS.