Ai + Conan

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Re: Ai + Conan

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Kor wrote:
Detective Prince wrote: Yea we really need to stop this war it was nothing.
A good idea but...
Detective Prince wrote: You guys claim it started with a misunderstanding...well it was A friggen HUGE misunderstanding and continued through insults. But it's alright time to move on. Only thing I was really mad about was someone mocking my beliefs. To me that's just not acceptable at all. Well I also was mad that people were saying I was calling myself a bigger fan than someone. Which I wasn't...in fact I didn't even mention any names...and also I was just kidding. But of course people want to get sensitive and take offence to that for no reason. But whatever. So much meaningless violence.  If she wants to make up some story of me trying to prove that I'm the bigger fan and that intentionally offended her than alright I see she won't stop seeing it that way I just hope everyone else knows that's not how it happened at all I don't once recall my saying I'm the bigger fan because I'm the only one who believed in an AiXConan ending. But people wanna put words in my mouth.

And I am a Man

@Searcher don't worry they are just people who are to smart to "believe" they need facts and numbers and stuff like that. And apparently opinions are not allowed.  And believing in an AiXConan ending is apparently worse than believing in ConanXAyumi never saw such bloodlust towards Schillok.
How is this supposed to stop the war? Not to mention that you basically mocked Schillok's believes, yet you said yourself that you didn't like it when it was done to you. AND you just said something about those you "fought against" which would give them another reason to "fight back"

Why is it here that everyone here HAS to have the final word? The best way to stop this would have been to just stay silent and not reply back on the subject. If you don't reply, does it mean you lost? No, it just means that you don't want to continue arguing, but if everyone here says "We should stop the war, but *insert more arguing here*
I second that ;D ;D ..... well, basicly it's the same i was about to post but why write when u can quote? xD
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Kor wrote:
Detective Prince wrote: Yea we really need to stop this war it was nothing.
A good idea but...
Detective Prince wrote: You guys claim it started with a misunderstanding...well it was A friggen HUGE misunderstanding and continued through insults. But it's alright time to move on. Only thing I was really mad about was someone mocking my beliefs. To me that's just not acceptable at all. Well I also was mad that people were saying I was calling myself a bigger fan than someone. Which I wasn't...in fact I didn't even mention any names...and also I was just kidding. But of course people want to get sensitive and take offence to that for no reason. But whatever. So much meaningless violence.  If she wants to make up some story of me trying to prove that I'm the bigger fan and that intentionally offended her than alright I see she won't stop seeing it that way I just hope everyone else knows that's not how it happened at all I don't once recall my saying I'm the bigger fan because I'm the only one who believed in an AiXConan ending. But people wanna put words in my mouth.

And I am a Man

@Searcher don't worry they are just people who are to smart to "believe" they need facts and numbers and stuff like that. And apparently opinions are not allowed.  And believing in an AiXConan ending is apparently worse than believing in ConanXAyumi never saw such bloodlust towards Schillok.
How is this supposed to stop the war? Not to mention that you basically mocked Schillok's believes, yet you said yourself that you didn't like it when it was done to you. AND you just said something about those you "fought against" which would give them another reason to "fight back"

Why is it here that everyone here HAS to have the final word? The best way to stop this would have been to just stay silent and not reply back on the subject. If you don't reply, does it mean you lost? No, it just means that you don't want to continue arguing, but if everyone here says "We should stop the war, but *insert more arguing here*
Are you really going to talk to me out of everyone how to stop this war? Should have gave this speech to the other people like two pages ago where everything was done. I wasn't replying to the war I was replying to the people after it. And I was not bashing Schilloks beliefs at all.
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Detective Prince wrote:
Kor wrote:
Detective Prince wrote: Yea we really need to stop this war it was nothing.
A good idea but...
Detective Prince wrote: You guys claim it started with a misunderstanding...well it was A friggen HUGE misunderstanding and continued through insults. But it's alright time to move on. Only thing I was really mad about was someone mocking my beliefs. To me that's just not acceptable at all. Well I also was mad that people were saying I was calling myself a bigger fan than someone. Which I wasn't...in fact I didn't even mention any names...and also I was just kidding. But of course people want to get sensitive and take offence to that for no reason. But whatever. So much meaningless violence.  If she wants to make up some story of me trying to prove that I'm the bigger fan and that intentionally offended her than alright I see she won't stop seeing it that way I just hope everyone else knows that's not how it happened at all I don't once recall my saying I'm the bigger fan because I'm the only one who believed in an AiXConan ending. But people wanna put words in my mouth.

And I am a Man

@Searcher don't worry they are just people who are to smart to "believe" they need facts and numbers and stuff like that. And apparently opinions are not allowed.  And believing in an AiXConan ending is apparently worse than believing in ConanXAyumi never saw such bloodlust towards Schillok.
How is this supposed to stop the war? Not to mention that you basically mocked Schillok's believes, yet you said yourself that you didn't like it when it was done to you. AND you just said something about those you "fought against" which would give them another reason to "fight back"

Why is it here that everyone here HAS to have the final word? The best way to stop this would have been to just stay silent and not reply back on the subject. If you don't reply, does it mean you lost? No, it just means that you don't want to continue arguing, but if everyone here says "We should stop the war, but *insert more arguing here*
Are you really going to talk to me out of everyone how to stop this war? Should have gave this speech to the other people like two pages ago where everything was done. I was replying to the war I was replying to the people after it. And I was not bashing Schilloks beliefs at all.
Kor meant that you started your post saying "We really need to stop this war" but then you continued defending yourself.
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Yea I know what he meant I just didn't feel he needed to comment on it. I was just ending it,well at least my side in it, by stating my overall view of it. Because yeah you can stop something like that. Like how someone says let's stop this silly fighting but he doesn't stop it by walking away no he stops it by kockng the guy out.

But fine I won't reply especially to the post by Kor or maybe from someone else that's going to insult my analogy. 
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What is going on here?
I leave to solve a case and come back...to the Ai army fitting itself and Schillok being Schillok(strangely the only normal thing)?
I clearly have to go back more than four pages to figure out how this all started and what this is. ;D
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TheBlind wrote: What is going on here?
I leave to solve a case and come back...to the Ai army fitting itself and Schillok being Schillok(strangely the only normal thing)?
I clearly have to go back more than four pages to figure out how this all started and what this was. ;D
Its over.

How was the case? Solved it ? Or did Shinichi steal your spotlight? XD
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Hi, I'm new here.... I kinda read till pg 125 then skipped to 198, so I do not really know what is happening here but I heard there is a war. :o
So, I'm actually a [glow=red,2,300]100% CoAi fan.[/glow] (So sorry if ShinRan fans got dissapointed)
Reasons why I like [glow=red,2,300]love[/glow] this paring(In my opinion):
1) Haibara's personality is very different from any other girls.
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Most girls are very optimistic, whiny/clingy, cheerful, childish/fictional/ fantasy and innocence.

But as for her, she's actually the opposite: pessimistic, independent, moody, realistic/ smart/mature  and knows the negative things in the world. It is quite rare to see a teenaged girl the same personality as hers.
As for me, I'm a very pessimistic and mature teenaged girl. Even my parents and my teachers as weel as my friends said so.

Girls who are like Haibara tends to be a good listener to your problems and understand them more better than girl like for example, Ran. They would just say that "just be happy" / "think of the brighter side" or something like that which is NOT the kind of comfort you wanted.
Someone who listens to your problems must know a lot of moral philosophy, like saying: "Love is sometimes selfish. You would always [glow=red,2,300]want[/glow] to be with your love interest but sometimes, they just find another. It hurts you a lot because you had affections with this person and you want to be with them but you can't. Some people would just gain hatred and jealousy which leads to murder cases just to get what they want. Despite the hardship of letting go, you are forced to let go of this person and just think that their happiness is the most important thing even though your heart is bleeding" (Srry, I felt this way for 3 times already :P)

Also, she has character developement as the series goes on. I'd rather prefer someone sarcastic rather than someone who complains a lot. And she is NOT THAT cold. She grew up in an extreme abnormal childhood and it just became her habit to act like that but Conan showed her the brighter things in life. To me, she sort of reminds me of Irene Adler. P.S: AI= A.I =  Adler Irene = Irene Adler!
2) Conan and Haibara's relationship is so mysterious because their sympathy and care for each other is so indirect.
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Both cared for each other without using words, [glow=red,2,300]but actions[/glow].
Since this is an anime full of [glow=red,2,300]mystery[/glow], a [glow=red,2,300]mysterious[/glow] love story should be in it whether one-sided or not. A love story like this is very rare and touching. I just love the way they show signs of care towards each other, as they say, "actions speaks louder than words".

It is not like some most love stories which they have a crush on each other and it's very obvious that they have mutual feelings and both know that they have like each other but they just pretend that they hate each other and their friends just tease them about it.... It is just way too simple and obvious! It is very boring as well as mushy/ lovey dovey which makes me sufficate. I need some mystery in love because it is interesting and it doesn't make you sleep or sufficate

Oh and btw, Haibara is JUST a year older than him, so she ISN'T  a shotacon! Also, "age doesn't matter in love". I know all of you do not see the romantic interaction between Haibara and Conan while some just do not agree OR they do not want to admit it.

Also, it is just[glow=red,2,300] fascinating [/glow] because they also flirt in a serious way and the way Conan protects her it is just different from the way he protects any other people. Haiabra also taught him how to be humble. It isn't just about solving the case and justify the guilt of criminals, but also understand why they had commited the crime. People only murder because they held a gruge of that person and they might had suffered throughout therelife, therefore, they chose revenge because they were unable to forgive that person. Seriously, have you seen a detective trusted an ex-convict before? Thus, both protects, care and teach each other another way or so......

Even if Conan admires another girl, both of them act like [glow=red,2,300]solemates.[/glow] And come on everyone! There is a lot of hints in the series that shows that Haibara has a thing for Conan. Also, even at the first volume, I did not bother about the SHinRan couple because it's obvious that they like each other, very predictable.So, yeah ^.^ ;)......
3) Unrequited, unnoticed love is painful. I
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actually felt like this before (oh well, it has been 3 times)..... I know that some of you could not just feel the pain because your blessed. Your lovelife is so straightforward and happy because your love interest has mutual feelings.
So, to tell you what, it hurts.... a lot..... Therefore, I sometimes refer to Haibara's feelings and love situation and put it into mine because they are similar. You just sometimes think that you were the girl whom they admire and tend to get jealousy and hatred. Even I had moved on from this kind of love and found a new love interest, it is still hopeless because that guy just does not notice me no matter how close we are. But I just think of his happiness.

Some of you, (mostly ShinRan fans),  says this : "Shinichi will definitely just become himself again and confess to Ran and Haibara will just find another person" Don't you see? It is so predictible.
Okay, let's just face it, Shinichi will definitely end up with Ran but you can't just say that Haibara will find another guy....(Well, DC is a mystery with twists and turns, so who knows?)
It isn't easy to just let go of someone whom you love and find another. It takes time. As for me, it took 1 and a quarter year to bear with the whole pain and move on.... (Well, unfortunately my new love interest just sees me as a friend :-[)
So since Conan is [glow=red,2,300]awesome[/glow] and I do not think you can find someone like that and judging Haibara's character, it will took quite a long time for her to move on. Love is just sometimes painful, you are blessed if your lovelife is just so straightforward.

Just imagine that you are in Haibara's shoes: A guy whom you first thought that he was the right one for you,  and you are just so happy that you had fallen in love. Not only that, that guy is so caring towards you that you feel that he feels the same way as you too and he's awesome. But then, just then, you eventually found out that he likes another girl. Your dream just burst into flames and only leaves ashes. Even though you do not know this girl, you already hated her and the moment you heard her name, first saw her, met her, you just hated her that you want to curse her to fall into hell for enternity despite that she is actually a nice person. You just glare and ignore her for no reason as you spent nights thinking and crying about how you suffered such a hopeless love. You get jealous the moment she interacts with the guy whom you love and how he talks about her to you a lot. And this goes on for many days...... As you saw how she is kind you suddenly wants to apologise for being rude to her and you just want to find them happiness even if your heart is bleeding.(If she's nice) As you spent your alone time thinking about letting him go, you just can't........

You see people? It is just so painful and you could not imagine how surrowful you are if you had not experienced this before.

So what if Ran has to wait for him? Think about it, you just wanted to spend time crying and waiting for a guy whose suddenly gone that hasn't even confess to you. If that person was your boyfriend you could wait. But a guy whose relationship with you is just friendship? (Come on, THEY ARE NOT DATING) Who knows if he has already someone?

Therefore, if you never knew that Conan is Shinichi, somehow, if you love him, you should be happy for him and just stop hurting yourself. Since he likes cases and now he goes to other countries to solve some,and the most important thing is that he is safe when he is missing. You must think that he is happy doing what he loves the most and stop waiting for him. Like in an episode where Conan could not bare Ran's depression, he sometimes wish that she was not in love with him.

So, by acting that way even though that it is faithful, it just an infatuation to me because you can't seem to understand that you have to sacrifice for one's happiness but people are just way selfish. It is just way to MMI (me, myself and I) .

In my opinion, thinking something like "I am dying here waiting for you, please come back to me."  is just pure childish crush. (Srry if you think I'm very emotional)

Love is about thinking about a person more than yourself.

[glow=red,2,300]Instead of [/glow] thinking how much it hurts you, why didn't you think about how he is safe? When he calls you instead of asking if he is alright and doing fine in his cases, why do you complain to him and keep on reminding him to come back? Why?
As for the one-sided love, it is unfair (life is unfair, get use to it)and it hurts but you just have to let go and keep thinking of his happiness. The reason why I know about this is because me experiencing a one-sided love three times (the third is currently) made me understand more about feelings and how to be selfless. That is the main reason why I just support ConanXAi because I can just refer to it.


Sorry if I sounded harsh but just trying to prove my whole point to everyone. To ShinRan fans, please don't bash me. And if you did I would ask you this first: "Why are you a ShinRan fans who detest ConanXAi a lot and ironically going to a Conan+Ai thread?"  :o

So, my job here is try to keep this thread on topic (I'll try) and I am totally going to defend ConanXAi.

P.S: I am not a person who go to ShinRan thread and start bashing. (I don't even bother reading them!) Unless it's a thread somethign like "Haibara vs Ran, start bashing, let's see who will win"

So I'm done for my first post and I am just a newbie, so please don't be harsh.
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Welcome Rin-chan, it is always nice to see new Ai fans. Can I ask you where the name comes, that you have chosen. Does it come from "Shuffle"?

You have writing very well why, the most of us, like Ai. You should write stories about Ai, with your experience.
Rin-chan wrote:she sort of reminds me of Irene Adler. P.S: AI= A.I =  Adler Irene = Irene Adler!
I always thought that Ai was conan's Irene Adler, but your insight in the name is simply brilliant ;D
Rin-chan wrote:I need some mystery in love because it is interesting  and it doesn't make you sleep or sufficate.
I like it when their is interaction between 2 persons in love, rather than them reaction to situations around them.
Rin-chan wrote:Oh and btw, Haibara is JUST  a year older than him, so she ISN'T  a shotacon!
Maybe someone can clear this up once and for all, in the anime Ai says that she is 18, just like conan. But in the live action movie Ai says that conan is 19 ???
Rin-chan wrote:In my opinion, thinking something like "I  am dying here waiting for you, please come back to me."  is just pure childish crush.
In ran's defence, I think that this is Gosho fault. He has made ran in the "damsel in distress" type. If you want to read more about this type, go to the shinichixran thread and read post about both Sora's.
Or maybe one of them can explain it here for you, if you ask them nicely.

Detective Prince, as starter a the movement/party "The Ultimate Believers", can you tell me if you always believed in an Aixconan ending. Or did it happend recently, if so what changed that made you a believer?
I would like to know because it might give me some new insight into Aixconan relationship.
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Rin-chan wrote: Sorry if I sounded harsh but just trying to prove my whole point to everyone. To ShinRan fans, please don't bash me.
so...you're new here, know nothing about the people here, yet you think badly about a group of people in this site for no reason? (just because they like another couple doesn't mean they are against you)
Rin-chan wrote: And if you did I would ask you this first: "Why are you a ShinRan fans who detest ConanXAi a lot and ironically going to a Conan+Ai thread?"  :o
*sighs*

1) to clear things first, I'm not a fan of any couple.
2) This is way too ironic considering that some AiCon fans here went to the ShinRan thread and bashed the couple.
3) What's so ironic about not liking a couple and going to the thread which DISCUSSES the couple? Plus, if no haters came, there would be nothing to talk about for the long range. (and that's one of the reasons why this thread goes off-topic every now and then)
Rin-chan wrote: So, my job here is try to keep this thread on topic (I'll try)
This thread WILL get off-topic whether you try or not - it's fated to  :P
Searcher wrote: Detective Prince, as starter a the movement/party "The Ultimate Believers", can you tell me if you always believed in an Aixconan ending. Or did it happend recently, if so what changed that made you a believer?
I would like to know because it might give me some new insight into Aixconan relationship.
This is unnecessary.
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Searcher wrote: Detective Prince, as starter a the movement/party "The Ultimate Believers", can you tell me if you always believed in an Aixconan ending. Or did it happend recently, if so what changed that made you a believer?
I would like to know because it might give me some new insight into Aixconan relationship.
Yes I've always believed in this couple ever since that castle episode. Nothing really changed I always did believe. I use to like RanShin...but then I realized hmm is this going anywhere? So like let me get this straight..they are suppose to go from friends in the first episode and I bet in the last episode/chapter they are going to suddenly get together... Yeah that's kind of boring so after I realized that I decided to just forget them and focus on the cases but than episode 129 happened and introduced Ai Haibara. Didn't really like her at first glance but as I saw her personality I become very interested.

When I saw that she also took the pill and was an ex-member and how she tricked conan I was like wow such a sudden plot twist  :o. I guess I first got into the pairing when I saw that she was flirting with him and when they were about to kiss but unfortunately got interrupted. As the DB cases go on and more and more AiXConan appreaded it made me only want to watch those episodes they are just to perfect together and I know that they are soulmates.

This is also when I noticed Ran's change in character. You guys have to admit she's very different and I mean very different from the Ran in Chapter/episode one. I mean I even liked her old hairstyle and she used to seem more kick-ass. But I don't know. I like that she's so sweet and everything but she's like too sweet. I mean I guess that's what she has in common with shinichi. They both have impossible qualities. Shinichi is impossibly smart and Ran is impossibly nice. But still I believe in an AiXConan ending. I also kinda believe Gosho will chicken out and not make any of them get together. It happens a lot too me. But I still believe in AiXConan despite the odds. Gosho would be making a big mistake if he didn't. They are total spin-off material. Detective Conan Haibara Edogawa! with help from the Detective Boys!

I mean come on this is kind of based of Sherlock Holmes.

Sherlock Holmes= Shinichi/Conan
Irene Adler= Shihi/A.I
Dr. Watson= Professor Agasa
Irregulars= Detective Boys
Beika area= Baker street

So many connections  ::)
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You forgot professor Moriarty ;)

Hmmm, mori-arty...... mouri??? Yes, Mouri Kogorou is professor Moriarty :o
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Detective Prince wrote: I use to like RanShin...but then I realized hmm is this going anywhere? So like let me get this straight..they are suppose to go from friends in the first episode and I bet in the last episode/chapter they are going to suddenly get together...
The whole point of ShinRan is that their relationship is frozen just before they can "get together". Remember, Shin'ichi was trying to confess to her on their date in chapter one, and Ran tells him when he's Conan that she really likes Shin'ichi a lot (in the wanna-be-girl-friend sense). You have every right to be bored by them being stuck like that for 800 chapters, but they weren't merely friends in chapter one, so them getting together in the end would hardly be "sudden" (unless Shin'ichi wants to jump straight to proposing, that might be a bit "sudden" from Ran's perspective).
Detective Prince wrote: You guys have to admit she's very different and I mean very different from the Ran in Chapter/episode one. I mean I even liked her old hairstyle and she used to seem more kick-ass. But I don't know. I like that she's so sweet and everything but she's like too sweet.
Ran seems pretty balanced to me. Sure, she'll change shirts if someone she wants to befriend is offended by it, or try to give up "masculine" behaviors to get Shin'ichi to love her, but how can you call someone who nearly attacks veterinarians, threatens bouncers or kicks house sitters wearing glasses "too sweet"??? (Ran actually being able to admit fault and apologize rather than try to shift blame for such misunderstandings makes her better than a lot of "strong female" cliche characters, IMO.)
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Nyral besides the karate part of he ofcourse. She is too sweet and she seems to be getting more sweet is this drags on. And What I mean by sudden is. I was guessing that he wouldn't change back until the last episode meaning they would have no development during the story. And I waas right, well he did change back a couple of times but still.
Searcher wrote: You forgot professor Moriarty ;)

Hmmm, mori-arty...... mouri??? Yes, Mouri Kogorou is professor Moriarty :o
Let's not get carried away now  :D.
I'm thinkng that the Boss of the Black Organization equalled Proffesor Moriarty.
Zeldabond wrote: Theres something going on with those two. Honestly, i would rather see conan with Ai at the end. Actually, nvm. Watching all the older episodes reminds me of why ran is special.
Traitor!!!
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Detective Prince wrote: and when they were about to kiss.
I seriously hope you're joking here.
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Kor wrote:
Detective Prince wrote: and when they were about to kiss.
I seriously hope you're joking here.
Umm okay, whatever floats your boat.
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