Re: question about file 700

[Kite]

Don't forget nobody in the organization, aside from Vermouth and Kir, knows about Conan. I don't think they even know she let Haibara run free, since Calvados killed himself. And he was the only one alive 'till then who knew who Sherry was, except for Vermouth. Since the BO seems to STILL be looking for Sherry, not knowing she's shrunk, Vermouth certainly didn't tattle about her to the boss or anyone else (which is a feat, since she only promised Conan to give up on Sherry.

What I meant is that I think the boss would realize that it is within Vermouth's personality to harbor sympathies or engage in behavior which is counterproductive to the org. Basically the boss would notice he doesn't command her complete devotion.

Yes, you're probably right about that. She's got a very independent personality and eventually does whatever she wants. But this kind of people can turn out to be either a betrayer or a very loyal follower to the organization or the boss, depending on the consequences of their loyalty (whether they will be positive or negative in the eyes of this person). In this case it seems Vermouth decided to act against the BO for some reason, and although she's a favourite of the boss, it's like she has a certain fear for "anokata", acting so obediently in front of him. She also seems to have a personal grudge against the organization, in particular against the scientists who worked on the APTX drug (but we already kinda knew that, right ).

As for Vermouth and the cat, the woman using English strongly was a strong indicator in my book. I figured the reason the face of the woman was avoided is because Vermouth was still Sharon at this time and the Vermouth-Sharon thing wasn't revealed until the showdown arc.

Ah, I forgot Vermouth wasn't revealed yet back then. Thanks for making me remember.

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[Kleene Onigiri]

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I thought there was something in the official guidebook about why Gosho chose alcohol codenames ... I used to have a scan of it bookmarked, but I don't have it anymore...

Well, I though Gosho used alcohol codenames, because alcohol isn't rotting/aging like other consumer goods (non alcoholic drinks or food etc.). But instead it is getting even better with time (wine fore example).
That would also hint towards the "de-aging" or "eternal youth" theory.

Well I never saw that official guidebook, so I don't know what was said there about the codenames.

It does make sense, but I wouldn't connect it with the eternal youth theory so fast. What you're doing now is create a theory to support another theory. What we need to try to do is look for facts from the manga which can support theories. Otherwise you'll just modify everything according to your theories, in other words you'll start from your theory and make everything else adjust to it. In the end, your theory will work out of course, but that's because you twisted the facts to adjust them to our theory. We need to check the theories based on the facts not vice versa. We first need to check the official guidebook. We can't "think", we must be sure about things (or so my mother drilled into me  :D)

... And uhm ... sorry if I came over like a mother/father/teacher/whatever authoritative figure with that last paragraph, didn't really mean to.  :-\

I don't think I twisted any facts. Since it's a fact that gosho is using alcoholic codenames in DC. It's also a fact that alcohol isn't rotting (ofc, if you let the bottle open, the alcohol will volatilize and the "liquid" can start to rot then). I just made a theory out of these facts.
But I agree, I did state a theory and I did support another theory with that theory. But as long as you don't verify one of the theories as wrong, then it's ok to do that I guess.
But it's hard to verify any theory that concerns DC, since we can't just ask gosho directly for facts or to tell us if we are right or wrong XD

[Kite]

I don't think I twisted any facts. Since it's a fact that gosho is using alcoholic codenames in DC. It's also a fact that alcohol isn't rotting (ofc, if you let the bottle open, the alcohol will volatilize and the "liquid" can start to rot then). I just made a theory out of these facts.
But I agree, I did state a theory and I did support another theory with that theory. But as long as you don't verify one of the theories as wrong, then it's ok to do that I guess.
But it's hard to verify any theory that concerns DC, since we can't just ask gosho directly for facts or to tell us if we are right or wrong XD

No no, I didn't mean to say you were twisting the facts, I just kinda wanted to warn you before making up theories based on other theories. Otherwise, before we know it, we'll get people saying the goal of the BO is a de-aging potion because their code names indicate it.

So sorry, my fault, I'm not being clear enough.

And maybe my hidden disapproval of de-aging being the possible goal of the BO reared its ugly head somewhere along my explanations ... sorry about that. 

[xGinx]

I didn't mean to say you were twisting the facts, I just kinda wanted to warn you before making up theories based on other theories. Otherwise, before we know it, we'll get people saying the goal of the BO is a de-aging potion because their code names indicate it.

Mmmm, sounds like the Real name of the BO is Nivea Revitalife LOL

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Official Casebook page talking about booze GET! (Edit: link removed because it's no longer working... oh well)

Is there anyone trying to translate the "Conan Drill: Official Guide" btw? If not, is there anyone who transcribed at least parts of it out in any language so I can run it through a crummy online translator? I'd love to have that BO section...

[soratothamax]

I don't think I twisted any facts. Since it's a fact that gosho is using alcoholic codenames in DC. It's also a fact that alcohol isn't rotting (ofc, if you let the bottle open, the alcohol will volatilize and the "liquid" can start to rot then). I just made a theory out of these facts.
But I agree, I did state a theory and I did support another theory with that theory. But as long as you don't verify one of the theories as wrong, then it's ok to do that I guess.
But it's hard to verify any theory that concerns DC, since we can't just ask gosho directly for facts or to tell us if we are right or wrong XD

No no, I didn't mean to say you were twisting the facts, I just kinda wanted to warn you before making up theories based on other theories. Otherwise, before we know it, we'll get people saying the goal of the BO is a de-aging potion because their code names indicate it.

So sorry, my fault, I'm not being clear enough.

And maybe my hidden disapproval of de-aging being the possible goal of the BO reared its ugly head somewhere along my explanations ... sorry about that. 

I actually have the same hidden disapproval.....but okay. I won't fan the fire...

[Introuble]

[noae]

[noae]

but will the accomplice risk being found?

[/noae]
? The crime would probably have been conducted rather differently if the man had an accomplice. The only reason the criminal strapped bombs to himself was because he didn't have one and hence no other way to carry out the crime.

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Edit: I decided to co-opt this post for other purposes much later to dump my speculations document out on it for the heck of it. I picked a thread that was old and had few posts so here goes... If anyone actually reads this then you are lucky (or unlucky) I suppose...

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General

Recurring plot devices
0) A significant portion of the important characters are connected within one degree of freedom somehow. Envision drawing a relationship chart between all the characters. This applies especially to the adult characters. They probably had direct interactions that predate the current timeline. They also probably were not aware of each other before the current time.
1) Childhood friends and childhood connections. This is copiously used among the protagonists/regular characters. It would make sense thematically if this is extensively applied to the antagonists as well.
a) Many characters were childhood friends which then evolved into romance.
2) Child parent relationships seem to come up fairly often as well.
3) Characters in physical disguises. I wouldn’t be surprised if one recurring character was actually two who switch.
4) Death of an important person in the past which motivates the character. Megure’s wife (sort of), Sato’s father and partner Matsuda Jinpei, Kaitou kid’s father, Shuu’s Akemi, Shiho's sister, Superintendent's Matsumoto's police partner, etc
5) People other than Conan are often wrong and their theories must be taken with a certain skepticism. Mark as important anything Conan is pursuing, because it is probably relevant or on the right track.
6) Law of conservation of detail, devil in the details, and Chekhov’s gun. Take note of what Conan is doing, especially when his thoughts on the matter are not revealed, because he probably knows something that the readers should be trying to deduce. Suspicion should be proportional to the “passing-nessâ€

[Tigerking]

[quote]3) Aoyama also said that Ai would be really shocked if she discovered who the boss is. “It’s someone that Haibara would never have expected.â€