New Member Here - A few theories

[xGinx]

He should have been a basketball player instead of a soccer/football one. In the last panel he doesn't even have the shoes on.

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If Oliver Atom in Captain Tsubasa could jump that high to kick the ball y couldn't Shinichi?? xD

[Sakina]

He should have been a basketball player instead of a soccer/football one. In the last panel he doesn't even have the shoes on.

Spoiler:

If Oliver Atom in Captain Tsubasa could jump that high to kick the ball y couldn't Shinichi?? xD

What, you mean that you couldn't jump up and touch the ceiling when you were a kid?  Psssh, weakling.

[soratothamax]

Just because you are stating this on your observations that you call "facts" and "logic" from the story, when that's just what they are. YOUR observations. doesn't mean it IS a fact that Okiya is Akai. Seeing is Believing, and I'll have to see it to believe it. For all we know the new member could be right.
I know you want to be right, and that's fine. But nothing is fact unless Gosho makes it a fact.

Okiya being a third party is completely possible; however, there should be hints in the manga that logically suggest this is the case as there was with Kir for example (the CIA was a third party at the time). You just haven't pointed any out in Okiya's case. You mostly tried to argue that Akai didn't have the personality that would let him disguise as Okiya, yet you didn't offer any evidence to support that your assessment of Akai's character was valid other than basically "I think Akai is like this and that's that." I thought your take on the personalities of Akai and Okiya were flawed and presented logical arguments in opposition to several of your points. None of this means that Okiya isn't a third person. New evidence could come up later to hint this, like mentions of the PSIA for example or Kir relaying there is a new CIA middleman in town. I haven't noticed any good indicators in that direction yet, but I am keeping my eye out..

Dude...the entire point of DC is to try and figure out the truth before Gosho gives the answer XD Chekhov made his point by listing all the "facts" and "suppositions" and piecing the stuff together. You made yours with your own suggestions. You guys are mainly forcing each other to believe the other's theory is right and being pointlessly stubborn because neither of you are gonna give up until the other says "Fine, I believe you, now stfu" XD (Hey, I'm a stubborn prat too, I know one when I see one- now I'm just hoping you guys aren't easily offended XD)

Nah, I'm thick skinned. I will admit I went over the top a little. Most of the people I spend time around IRL eschew feelings or hunches when reasoning unless they have some sort of data or logic to provide a foothold. It's hard for me to understand and communicate effectively with someone who doesn't purge subjective feelings from their arguments. Sorry Sora and Key for making the thread uncomfortable.

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Is anyone else impressed by Conan's super-jump powers?

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He should have been a basketball player instead of a soccer/football one. In the last panel he doesn't even have the shoes on.

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My problem is I'm trying to find a way to see it the new members' way... know what everyone else thinks.

I'm stubborn, and I love a good debate. I mostly don't argue against logic. It depends on whose board it is.....like new members. I try to support them and take their side...

[soratothamax]

And I'm a Cancer that has no idea what exactly we crabs are all about XD

Look at Kaito Kid and you'll find out.... I look at Shinichi, and see a person who rambles on and on and on.... That must be me.

Well, Gosho does have to find new ways around things. You'd think that if he didn't we wouldn't be over 700 whooping files due to boredom XD Actually I'm thinking that maybe Gosho might be planning on doing something that nobody would have ever imagined. Like xGinx suggested a few days ago, what if Akai was the disguise and Okiya is the true face? THAT would be a brilliant twist.

He does....I guess I'm doubting he'd be that creative.... Who knows what he has in store....



Conan can do TOO much....I wonder if there's something he can't do....

OH I forgot, he's a horrifyingly horrible singer.

[soratothamax]

I just thought of something....

What if Okiya is Akai's brother?  ??? It could explain why he looks familiar to Ran, because brothers look similar, has a similar name, and has good deduction skills, and also seems to drink "Bourbon" similar to Akai's Rye. He could have the same BO "presence" because he could've been in the BO. It could be the reason they look similar, and it could be the reason that Conan is allowing him around. Maybe Okiya is trying to find his brother, and Conan wants to keep him around to find out....

In fact, Bourbon who is Okiya could be Akai's brother! *gasp* That's taking it too far...

OR it could be Haibara Ai's father, who really wasn't dead, and Akemi knew, who introduced Akai to her father. Ai's father observed Akai's personality, and took on his similar name and alias so he could protect Ai later on to help akai. It could explain why he has a lighter hair color that is just slightly lighter than Ai's.....It would also explain why Ran thinks he is familiar because he looks like Ai...and she's seen Ai before...

Then again....somehow, Akemi's hair has to be similar to ONE of the parents....I'm assuming one of the parents hair would be dark.....though when there is a dominant gene and a recessive gene (light hair color is recessive and dark hair color is dominant) usually the dominant dominates....so I'm guessing it could be assumed both of Ai's parents had a light color, and akemi who could be her half sister, had a mother with darker hair, which dominated over the lighter hair color....

Or maybe Okiya is Ai's LOST BROTHER that she never knew about and Akai found him and stalked him like Akai did Ai, and so Okiya agreed to help Akai escape the clutches of the BO, and so helped Kir create a plan, and so he decided to take on an alias similar to Akai...and at the same time is trying to protect Ai...it could also be the reason his hair is so light, and that Ai feels a strange presence, as he could've also been born into the BO.....hmmm


I'm letting my imagination run wild. Please let it be creative Gosho!

Or Akai could be dead....

saying this:

Quoted by Checkov: No multi-case character has ever died in Detective Conan.
Despite the otherwise large numbers of dead people, Aoyama Gosho has never killed off anyone who has been around for more than one case, much less a protagonist. The closest Gosho has ever gotten was the death of Matsuda Jinpei in "The Trembling Police Headquarters" arc (366-373), but we knew he was dead going into the story. Gosho has had 600 chapters to set a precedent.

Is like my theory that Gosho has never introduced a character and developed a protagonist just to make him a disguise....Even with Araide-sensei, he was an actual character that existed aside from the disguise Vermouth put on.

What if Gosho is spicing up by having Akai dead, which leads room for Shinchi to be the best again? And solve this case on his own? Then Akemi could be with her lover forever. Gosho did kill Akemi....even though yeah she wasn't around for more than that episode....

But Gosho has also never had main characters disguise as people we don't know...and usually those characters have existed...and continue to exist. The only exception, as with Gosho not killing anyone, is during cases that only appear once with unimportant characters.

I think if the theory that "Gosho has never had any protagonist characters develop just to be disguises" is going to be dismissed, so should the theory that "Gosho has never killed any of his main protagonists" as well...This also isn't a logical reason why Akai could be Okiya....

[Key-chan]

And I'm a Cancer that has no idea what exactly we crabs are all about XD

Look at Kaito Kid and you'll find out.... I look at Shinichi, and see a person who rambles on and on and on.... That must be me.

Warning: Astrology rant in spoiler tag XD

Spoiler:

Actually Kaitou KID, aka Kuroba Kaito was born 21st of June, which is on the Gemini/Cancer borderline. While he does have a lot of Cancer traits such as being understanding and keeping his worries to himself, he's also got several Gemini aspects that I don't XD Trust me, I'd give pretty much anything to be even remotely similar to him- I'm not. When I said I didn't know what Cancer's are about, it's because I can't exactly tell what all our common traits are aside from the oh-so-caring-and-understanding thing that I see over and over in every description. Kinda. The only other Cancer I really know is my boyfriend, and despite both being Cancers we're also rather different. I don't know any Taurus' personally, so I wouldn't be able to tell.

If we take Virgos as next example, then I'm pretty confused as far as Hakuba is concerned- I can tell you, I know about four or five different Virgos pretty well and they're ANYTHING BUT similar to Hakuba. Maybe it's a stupid thing to say, but I blame that on him being British

I think we never got to know what Ran's sign was, but I'd actually go for Libra XD And for Ai I see a Scorpio. But somehow I also feel that I'm completely off here, so I'll just stop right now XD

I just thought of something....

What if Okiya is Akai's brother?  It could explain why he looks familiar to Ran, because brothers look similar, has a similar name, and has good deduction skills, and also seems to drink "Bourbon" similar to Akai's Rye. He could have the same BO "presence" because he could've been in the BO. It could be the reason they look similar, and it could be the reason that Conan is allowing him around. Maybe Okiya is trying to find his brother, and Conan wants to keep him around to find out....

In fact, Bourbon who is Okiya could be Akai's brother! *gasp* That's taking it too far...

No, I thought of that too, and posted the idea back when I was new member myself a few months ago

OR it could be Haibara Ai's father, who really wasn't dead, and Akemi knew, who introduced Akai to her father. Ai's father observed Akai's personality, and took on his similar name and alias so he could protect Ai later on to help akai. It could explain why he has a lighter hair color that is just slightly lighter than Ai's.....It would also explain why Ran thinks he is familiar because he looks like Ai...and she's seen Ai before...

Then again....somehow, Akemi's hair has to be similar to ONE of the parents....I'm assuming one of the parents hair would be dark.....though when there is a dominant gene and a recessive gene (light hair color is recessive and dark hair color is dominant) usually the dominant dominates....so I'm guessing it could be assumed both of Ai's parents had a light color, and akemi who could be her half sister, had a mother with darker hair, which dominated over the lighter hair color....

Not necessarily- both my parents have blond hair, so do I and my younger brother, and my younger sister has dark hair.

(The rest kinda lost me XD)

[Abs.]

He should have been a basketball player instead of a soccer/football one. In the last panel he doesn't even have the shoes on.

Spoiler:

I definitely concede your shoeless wonder jumping boy.   

[soratothamax]

Warning: Astrology rant in spoiler tag XD

Spoiler:

Actually Kaitou KID, aka Kuroba Kaito was born 21st of June, which is on the Gemini/Cancer borderline. While he does have a lot of Cancer traits such as being understanding and keeping his worries to himself, he's also got several Gemini aspects that I don't XD Trust me, I'd give pretty much anything to be even remotely similar to him- I'm not. When I said I didn't know what Cancer's are about, it's because I can't exactly tell what all our common traits are aside from the oh-so-caring-and-understanding thing that I see over and over in every description. Kinda. The only other Cancer I really know is my boyfriend, and despite both being Cancers we're also rather different. I don't know any Taurus' personally, so I wouldn't be able to tell.

If we take Virgos as next example, then I'm pretty confused as far as Hakuba is concerned- I can tell you, I know about four or five different Virgos pretty well and they're ANYTHING BUT similar to Hakuba. Maybe it's a stupid thing to say, but I blame that on him being British

I think we never got to know what Ran's sign was, but I'd actually go for Libra XD And for Ai I see a Scorpio. But somehow I also feel that I'm completely off here, so I'll just stop right now XD

I know I act like Shinich....lol stubborn, long-winded, and a little TOO focused on one thing that I completely don't notice anything else....

I also concluded the same thing about Ai and Ran....

No, I thought of that too, and posted the idea back when I was new member myself a few months ago

Why did you give up on the idea? 

Not necessarily- both my parents have blond hair, so do I and my younger brother, and my younger sister has dark hair.

(The rest kinda lost me XD)

So maybe there is a possibility that Okiya could be Ai's father?  I had been fighting with the idea of whether Ai's father could possibly have light hair or dark hair. But it's possible her father could have the similar hair color that she does...

I was thinking that Okiya could be Ai's father who was introduced to Akai by his daughter a while ago, because Akemi could've known that her father was still alive. Okiya could've talked to Akai about the BO, and could've observed Akai's behavior, and decided to take on an alias and watch over his daughter....

[Abs.]

Volume 58, File 10 (File 607), page 16

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[Key-chan]

Volume 58, File 10 (File 607), page 16

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It's been two days and I'm still not sure what to make of this XD

[xGinx]

Volume 58, File 10 (File 607), page 16

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It's been two days and I'm still not sure what to make of this XD

Noone knows, thats y anyone answered xD

[Kor]

Volume 58, File 10 (File 607), page 16

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It's been two days and I'm still not sure what to make of this XD

Noone knows, thats y anyone answered xD

read the discussion and then you'll understand.

[Key-chan]

Volume 58, File 10 (File 607), page 16

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It's been two days and I'm still not sure what to make of this XD

Noone knows, thats y anyone answered xD

read the discussion and then you'll understand.

But I have been reading since heck knows when! And I still don't--- oh. Now I understand. How did I miss that?

Good thinking, Abs. XD (And thanks Kor XD)

[kanata09]

Volume 58, File 10 (File 607), page 16

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It's been two days and I'm still not sure what to make of this XD

Noone knows, thats y anyone answered xD

read the discussion and then you'll understand.

But I have been reading since heck knows when! And I still don't--- oh. Now I understand. How did I miss that?

Good thinking, Abs. XD (And thanks Kor XD)

"The Best Spell to reveal the culprit..." "With just one shot!" - why do i feel that Conan's face is really sad at this page.....
I'm also feel that Conan in the chapter where Akai "dies" (vol. 59, file 1), he was "blaming himself"..... as well as the chapter where Eisuke talked to him about a person in FBI "die"......

[AICHAN]

What if Okiya is Akai's brother?  ??? It could explain why he looks familiar to Ran, because brothers look similar, has a similar name, and has good deduction skills, and also seems to drink "Bourbon" similar to Akai's Rye. He could have the same BO "presence" because he could've been in the BO. It could be the reason they look similar, and it could be the reason that Conan is allowing him around. Maybe Okiya is trying to find his brother, and Conan wants to keep him around to find out....

LOLXD that was my first theory^^ but nobody took it seriously... for me the Akai=Okiya would be totally lame,because we already had the same deguise trick during Vermouth plot...it would be repetitive!
but sadly i think it's the most possible theory....

Or maybe Okiya is Ai's LOST BROTHER that she never knew about and Akai found him and stalked him like Akai did Ai, and so Okiya agreed to help Akai escape the clutches of the BO, and so helped Kir create a plan, and so he decided to take on an alias similar to Akai...and at the same time is trying to protect Ai...it could also be the reason his hair is so light, and that Ai feels a strange presence, as he could've also been born into the BO.....hmmm

it was also one of my theory...he looks a little bit like haibara...morover it could be the thing Helena said to haibara in her tapes...
aww if only gosho could give us more clues...instead of boring files