Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,061-1066

[DCUniverseAficionado]

But yes, I always wondered how she or the previous client found about Bourbon to hire him, maybe he posted an advert somewhere.

Yes, in spite of his tendency to try to not stand out, it would be in keeping with his cover as a private detective to advertise himself as one.

Spoiler:

Natsuko being brought up at all—especially in a case where the BO is shooting at and killing FBI agents right and left—is noteworthy. It hints that either she or the case she was in (891–893/779–780) hides a truth that Yusaku felt relevant to the current situation... now whether that truth pertains only to the FBI being picked off by the BO in the immediate present or pertains to the Rum arc as a whole? I'd need more info from 1,062 to answer that.
It does seem that Yusaku is talking with Jodie after Andre and at least 1 other FBI agent headed off to that parking lot and got shot at by Gin (we see her sitting in front of the microphone Shinichi/Conan used during Scarlet Showdown, and the rest of the FBI seem to have left the room). So the timeline of this file seems to be:
1) Shinichi/Conan explains how he deduced their code to the FBI & Rum speaks with the BO—they plan to attack the next FBI meeting place.
2) Andre (and at least 1 other FBI agent) head out to the parking lot.
3) Yusaku questions Jodie, seeming to have already deduced (and eager to get confirmation of this, given his clasped hand when he asks for this confirmation) that the one who taught her Japanese was an elementary school teacher (which surprises Jodie, given the stutter at the beginning of her response).
4) The BO ambushes Andre and the FBI (Page 14 is when the FBI agent next to Andre gets shot).
5) Looking at a phone, Yusaku seems to have realized something, and so, too, has Shinichi/Conan (and the file ends with this panel)—this realization, according to the side text, may be the start of Team Shinichi/Conan and the FBI turning things around and putting the BO on the defensive.

If I had to guesstimate, I'd say this Natsuko-related revelation may loop in either Rumi or Mary & MI6 (and those connect to the Kōji case, too, which could loop it in, as well)—in any case,I'd say either of those possibilities is more likely to pan out than Natsuko being a BO member, or something like that.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

I'm lazy now to re-watch the five scarlet Episodes 779 780 781 782 783 , But I think it is one of the most important episodes that may refer to many important things in Arc RUM .

My just expectation , which I am not sure of at all , it is just an assumption , nothing more, no less .

Shibuya Natsuko might be Haneda Kohji's sister , just looking at both makes me feel that .

Assuming she is the sister of Haneda Kohji , she will be daughter of Kuroda who is Haneda Koji's father .

This might explain , why she hired Bourbon to solve the case , not Jodie nor Camel , because Kuroda knows Bourbon's intelligence well , so Kuroda nominated her Bourbon because Kuroda knows that Jodie , Camel and Mori Kogoro aren't intelligent enough ... But that's just Expectations as I said without evidence .

Jodie helped Shibuya in a case while traveling to study in America , I don't know what kind of help was , but time of help was just a few years ago, not of course 17 years ago at time of Khoji's death . I mean we don't know why Shibuya was in America .

Also the two stories are similar to some extent , Haneda Kohji was involved in a case while he was traveling to America to play chess , while Shibuya was involved in a case while she was traveling to America to study .

Why did I exclude Shibuya from being a member of the black organization ??

Because Bourbon in Episode 779 was talking about ٍshibuya in front of Vermouth, and then Vermouth asked Bourbon : "Who is Shibuya ??"
So this is enough for me to exclude Shibuya from BO as Vermouth doesn't know her .

Gosho may have wanted to make us expect at the present time , before the release of the remaining chapters that shibuya belongs to Black oraganization/BO , but i don't think so .

[Spimer]

I think it's grasping at straws. The "look alike" argument could be applied to countless chapters.

Like I said, I'd prefer if you don't jump to conclusions without knowing the full context.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

I rewatched the episodes of Scarlet Arc 779 780 781 782 783

Shibuya Natsuko helped Jodie go undercover in Japan with the identity of an English teacher , so this confused me a lot .

Also Conan assumed that Shibuya met Bourbon more than once .

This gave impression that Shibuya Natsuko is either Haneda Koji's sister , thus she will be Kuroda's daughter . Kuroda is the boss of the Secret Police and knows Bourbon well .

Or she is Scoth's sister as Scotch is mentioned in those scarlet episodes . Scoth is Secret police agent and knows Bourbon well .

But let's wait and see , As after that Gosho might put a wall in front of us and our thinking .

[Spimer]

The mention of Shibuya Natsuko is more likely related to how she taught Japanese to Jodie and Jodie made a mistake when making one of the codes which was picked up. It'll probably boil down to that. S

he won't be the daughter/sister/etc, etc of some plot character. Not all characters need to be interlinked between them and suddenly bringing out a new connection out of the blue with no foreshadowing would be odd.

Text spoilers for file 1062 have been published. Read at your own risk.

Spoiler:

FILE1062
Corner of tricks

Conan shows how he perfectly solved the cipher

The code was made by Jim and Chen, who'd volunteered to go to the meeting spot
They argued that it shouldn't be that easy to solve and they wanted to check (what was going on), so they headed despite many attempts to dissuade them
Akai says that if they'd seen how Conan easily solved it they wouldn't have been so reckless

James suggests to make a new code at once but Camel suggests using it to lure out (the BO)
James would prefer to wait for Yusaku to come back and hear his opinion, but since the deaths of Jim and Chen aren't in the news they must think the FBI doesn't know and it's favorable for them

Jodie thought of a code since she knew how to do it
One of the two agents who volunteer to head to the meeting place ahead of time is Tony's brother, Mark
The other is Camel, who says that he can use his driving to shake the foes off if needed

Akai warns that when they handed Mizunashi Rena to the BO, Camel supposedly died in the explosion
If anyone in the BO remembers his face then she will be killed so he gives him a cap to disguise
And warning him not to forget both he and Camel are supposed to be dead

The BO receives a transmission from RUM, who has changed the voice, as they are being led to the ambush location Jodie made up

Since no-one seems to show up at the location, Chianti and Korn, looking out through their rifles, shoot down the agents on the outside that were on the lookout

Camel and Mark pull out and Mark is hurt when Gin, ambushing them, snipes them, but the car keeps on running away so Gin tells the snipers its location and orders for it to be traced

Yusaku, who'd gone out shopping with Yukiko, comes back and checks the code after he's told about the situation

Given how Conan refers to Jodie as "sensei", Yusaku asks her whether she worked as an elementary school teacher

Jodie answers that she worked in a high school but says that her friend, an elementary school teacher, Shibuya Natsuko, taught her Japanese, kanji, hiragana and the relation between symbols; Yusaku and Conan seem to notice something as a result

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

Jodie thought of a code since she knew how to do it

Thanks to the new info, here, I'd say this possibility...

The mention of Shibuya Natsuko is more likely related to how she taught Japanese to Jodie and Jodie made a mistake when making one of the codes which was picked up. It'll probably boil down to that.

...is looking more likely.

[AP24]

Spoiler:

The fact that Jodie learned Japanese from an elementary school teacher might be related to how Rum figured out it was a trap because Rum is Wakasa.

[hizami]

Spoiler:

One of the spoiler images shows the decoded message says "kadehu". However, the transliterator for the spoiler suggested that the best transcription would be "kadefu". Possibly this is the small error that Jodie made, since it's the only portion of the message in Japanese?

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

The fact that Jodie learned Japanese from an elementary school teacher might be related to how Rum figured out it was a trap because Rum is Wakasa.

Spoiler:

Okay, but why would only an elementary school teacher be able to figure it out? What info are they privy to that non-teachers aren't?

Spoiler:

One of the spoiler images shows the decoded message says "kadehu". However, the transliterator for the spoiler suggested that the best transcription would be "kadefu". Possibly this is the small error that Jodie made, since it's the only portion of the message in Japanese?

Spoiler:

That caught my attention, as well.
The side-end text implies that this revelation Shinichi/Conan and Yusaku have had will turn the tables on the BO... but right now, I can't see how Jodie making this mistake on the code would lead to a quick way for Team Shinichi/Conan to turn this situation around.

[TheNightBaroness]

File 1063 Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Someone from the BO tells Kir to have seen Camel somewhere else. Bad news is there's a four week break.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

And here are some more details, translation courtesy of Sonokovid-Naughtyteen:

Spoiler:

"The whole chapter is a car chase drama. Gin and the others chase Camel after Camel's arm was injured by Kir.

Then Camel rushed off of the bridge, and fell into the river. Korn spoke to Kir as if he saw Camel somewhere before, and Kir laughed at his saying so.

Gin said to the others they should check if Camel died, but Camel had taken Conan's advice into consideration, and dived down to go to another region underwater.

At the end of the chapter, there's a shot of Yusaku and Conan, and Yusaku says, it seems I underestimated this Organization a bit".

[Spimer]

Translation of spoilers for 1063

Read at your own risk:

Spoiler:

(Pic order is in leak order)

Pic 1:
Kir: Oh, yes?
Gin: Talk about interesting
Gin: Then let's search for that FBI's man corpse at once...

Pic 2:
Conan: You should've written it as "KADEFU"...
Conan: But you wrote it as "KADEHU"!
Jodie: N-no way!
James: And that's why the organization (they) were suspicious, huh?
James: Felt it was a trap and (rest is cut off)
Jodie: I'm sorry, it's my fault
James: You're not the only one at fault!
Akai: We checked the text but didn't notice that, either
Conan: It's the romaji for "ふ"!
Jodie: Huh?
Conan: Using Kunrei-shiki system, "ふ" is written as "HU", as you did, but...
Conan: But the other codes used the Hebon-shiki system, so it was written as "FU"! Furuito, used in the other code, was spelled "FURUITO", for example!

Pic 3:
Jodie: The code I wrote let the BO notice it was a trap we'd set up?
Yusaku: Probably so
Yusaku: You, Agent Jodie, used the Kunrei-shiki system for the code... This system prioritizes the regularity in spelling and is taught at elementary schools...
Yusaku: Your friend, the elementary school teacher, taught you this system, yes?
Jodie: Y-yes... But where did I make a mistake?

Pic 4:
Camel: I'll leave Mark at Ootaru Street...
Camel: Please retrieve him afterwards!

Pic 5:
Gin: Kir, Vermouth! Go to Umibotaru!
Gin: Go there from Chiba and cut his escape!
Vermouth: OK!

Note: Umibotaru is based on the Umihotaru artificial island and underwater tunnel in the Tokyo Bay

Pic 6:
Yusaku: It'd seem that we...
Yusaku: Have slightly underestimated the organization (them)...

Pic 7:
Camel: I-if I do that I'll run out of air, and...
Conan: Go until you have 20cm left of air!
Akai: I see...
Akai: Do as he says! 20cm!
Camel: Ah, but... I went under 20cm already!

Pic 8:
Chianti: Hah! Have at you, FBI guy!
Korn: Say, that man...
Korn: I feel like I've seen him before
Kir: Really? Korn...
Korn: Yeah...
Korn: If I see his face again, I'll remember where...

Pic 9:
James: But rescuing him when the organization is surrounding them is going to very hard...
Akai: Yes...
James: We should've indeed listened to Yusaku-san's opinion
Yusaku: No... Whether I'd noticed about the Hebon-shiki or Kunren-shiki...
Yusaku: But that means they have someone amongst them who saw through that at once...

[ryndk]

getting tired of this long breaks, every single time we have a significant story development (BO wise)

[Kor]

Depends on how you choose to interpret Rum seeing through Jodie's fuckup, I guess the possibilities are:

1) Rum is Rumi (cause for whatever reason she chose being a grade school teacher as a side gig)
2) Rum has an assistant who is Rumi (and for whatever reason she chose being a grade school teacher as a side gig)
3) Rum isn't Rumi and she isn't his assistant either, and Rum just saw through Jodie's fuckup cause he knows a lot of bullshit facts like any other detective in this series, and so this entire grade school teacher thing is just one more attempt to make us think Rumi is BO or Rum.

Now all of that aside, out of the three Rum suspects, only Rumi and Wakita were in cases that showed their abilities to solve codes (Wakita was even in 2 code related cases).

[blackmoon]

Depends on how you choose to interpret Rum seeing through Jodie's fuckup, I guess the possibilities are:

1) Rum is Rumi (cause for whatever reason she chose being a grade school teacher as a side gig)
2) Rum has an assistant who is Rumi (and for whatever reason she chose being a grade school teacher as a side gig)
3) Rum isn't Rumi and she isn't his assistant either, and Rum just saw through Jodie's fuckup cause he knows a lot of bullshit facts like any other detective in this series, and so this entire grade school teacher thing is just one more attempt to make us think Rumi is BO or Rum.

Now all of that aside, out of the three Rum suspects, only Rumi and Wakita were in cases that showed their abilities to solve codes (Wakita was even in 2 code related cases).

YES so let's jump to conclusions without any backup right away RUM is Wakita because he knows how to spell Japanese and translate English into Japanese characters! So he also knows how to do it properly vice-versa.