Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,051-1,054

[DCUniverseAficionado]

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apparantly Bourbon picked up a shoji piece that was dropped in the grass field... seems to be the same one Haneda Kouji showed to Rumi from her recollection?

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It's highly likely that Rumi left it there on purpose to illicit some kind of interest from the keen private eye detective since Amuro claimed to be a good detective.

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It's since been confirmed it simply fell out of a hole in Rumi's back pocket, with her only noticing after Genta pointed the hole out.

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"With a watchtower bishop, there's bound to be a good move. Are you saying you will kill me despite that?" - especially when you consider that he's saying it with a smile, it does seem he means to ask Rumi (who may be either his student or teacher) if she is going to kill his SHOGI PIECE instead of actually the PERSON that is him. One might in fact see Rumi in a completely different light, if you take the context of the dialogues as over a shogi match. This way, she is someone close to Haneda Kouji.

Speculation: What if she is the mysterious uploader who uploads information about the case regularly? She traced the addresses of the people who accessed the information on the site before it was taken down in the hopes of finding someone who is BO or someone else who is investigating it as well. Conan himself complained that it kept being taken down, so he accessed it multiple times.
However, I myself find a major hole in this theory - If this theory is true, why would Rumi suspect Conan / Haibara instead of Agasa himself, because it is essentially his IP address that Conan looked up the information from.

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That kind of out of context misdirection would be right up Goshō's alley. And, on the other hand to what I said earlier, there's no need for Rumi to have actually wanted Kōji dead, back then—the readers' suspicion has already been created by taking Kōji's words out of context.

I once thought she may have been his lover or his sister, but perhaps she was a disciple of his.

We know that Rumi (likely) took on her name for a reason, and that she made a public spectacle of herself through the media for a reason. Her motivation is also tied to Teitan Elementary, and, more specifically, she has some reason to want to bring Shinichi/Conan into contact with mysteries that he can then solve. This would lead to the conclusion she seeks to use Shinichi's/Conan's ability to solve the Kōji case so she can take her revenge on Rum. But as for her being the uploader... I suppose it's possible. If she has access to the APTX list, her also having files on the Kōji case wouldn't be out of the question. And she was actually present at the scene, and also has a motive in seeing the case resolved. Other than her, the only one I can think of who'd be uploading this info would be someone like Asaka (presuming they aren't Rum or a loyal subordinate of Rum).

[blackmoon]

Spoiler:

It's since been confirmed it simply fell out of a hole in Rumi's back pocket, with her only noticing after Genta pointed the hole out.

Spoiler:

"With a watchtower bishop, there's bound to be a good move. Are you saying you will kill me despite that?" - especially when you consider that he's saying it with a smile, it does seem he means to ask Rumi (who may be either his student or teacher) if she is going to kill his SHOGI PIECE instead of actually the PERSON that is him. One might in fact see Rumi in a completely different light, if you take the context of the dialogues as over a shogi match. This way, she is someone close to Haneda Kouji.

Speculation: What if she is the mysterious uploader who uploads information about the case regularly? She traced the addresses of the people who accessed the information on the site before it was taken down in the hopes of finding someone who is BO or someone else who is investigating it as well. Conan himself complained that it kept being taken down, so he accessed it multiple times.
However, I myself find a major hole in this theory - If this theory is true, why would Rumi suspect Conan / Haibara instead of Agasa himself, because it is essentially his IP address that Conan looked up the information from.

Spoiler:

That kind of out of context misdirection would be right up Goshō's alley. And, on the other hand to what I said earlier, there's no need for Rumi to have actually wanted Kōji dead, back then—the readers' suspicion has already been created by taking Kōji's words out of context.

I once thought she may have been his lover or his sister, but perhaps she was a disciple of his.

We know that Rumi (likely) took on her name for a reason, and that she made a public spectacle of herself through the media for a reason. Her motivation is also tied to Teitan Elementary, and, more specifically, she has some reason to want to bring Shinichi/Conan into contact with mysteries that he can then solve. This would lead to the conclusion she seeks to use Shinichi's/Conan's ability to solve the Kōji case so she can take her revenge on Rum. But as for her being the uploader... I suppose it's possible. If she has access to the APTX list, her also having files on the Kōji case wouldn't be out of the question. And she was actually present at the scene, and also has a motive in seeing the case resolved. Other than her, the only one I can think of who'd be uploading this info would be someone like Asaka (presuming they aren't Rum or a loyal subordinate of Rum).

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well we'll know soon enough when Rumi and the detective boys meet up with Conan and Amuro and when Genta brings up the subject to Amuro that he should return the shogi piece he picked up back to Rumi since it fell out of her pocket... considering that Rei already suspected whoever has the shogi piece maybe connected to Kohji's death... it would be very interesting to see what her reaction would be when she faces such situtation... and I'm sure both Conan and Rei wouldn't leave out any traces of discomfort expression should she show such a reaction... the point is... how WOULD she explain how she obtained such shogi piece?

[Max1996]

Did anyone deduce what the current case is about, exactly?

[Zerozaki4869]

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Most likely it involves an illegal laser machine of some sorts.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Yep, connections between Kanenori and Rei were present from the former's debut case—the similarities have been so blatant, my instincts tell me it must be misdirection/a red herring. But I can't dismiss the possibility that Goshō really would have him be Rum. His focus may very well be on what Rum does after the identity reveal, rather than the identity reveal, itself.

[Kor]

so the poll results look clear enough. feel free to talk about spoilers without spoiler boxes. thank you for voting.

(and so ends the era of pages filled with nothing but spoiler boxes)

[blackmoon]

so the poll results look clear enough. feel free to talk about spoilers without spoiler boxes. thank you for voting.

(and so ends the era of pages filled with nothing but spoiler boxes)

well yay................................ no more annoying empty boxes..............!!!
as far as the current case goes... i have no idea why there's explosives involved that were tied to the trees and why there's a streak of light shining into the sky and why the victim(?) committed suicide after discovering ? But... Rumi's lack of reaction seeing Haibara using the detective badge as a walkie-talkie with Conan ... yet super-hyper reaction when Haibara told her to call the police... could it be there's a reason she may have a phobia with police?

[Zerozaki4869]

``as far as the current case goes... ``

There are several interesting points.

1) The large hole in the fence and the recently dug up hole which was filled in a hurry.

2) Ayumi saw the burnt tree branches all over the place, but their burn marks are only limited to one side.

3) The deep grove that Ayumi saw, which implies that a mono wheeled wheelbarrow was used to transport something very heavy.

4) The freaky light beam at the middle of the Night.

Most likely it is a high powered illegal laser show, the explosives were tied to the tree to make an explosion of Megumin level with that laster. Possibly Hatoyama senior had saw through this illegal laser stuff and was trying to unearth the truth. Possibly his death was the cause of his investigation, in which he might have unearthed that his brother is the mastermind behind all these and he killed himself out of the guilt.
His brother possibly blames the three men for the suicide and wants to finish them off as naturally as possible. Plus he had a knife on him, if plans went North he would be using that kine.

Regarding similarity of Amuro and Wakita, there is a striking difference also.

1) Amuro wanted to accompany Kogoro to all sorts of cases while Wakita only wants to hear about Kogoro's past cases and accompany him to a murder case if that is possible.
2) So the striking dissimilarity between their goals. One thinks that his objective would be satisfied if he accompanies Kogoro to all sorts of cases while the other thinks his objective will be satisfied if he hears Kogoro's old cases and accompanies him to a murder case.

For Amuro we can decode that his interest was to get to someone who had a very big chance of being involved in one of Kogoro's cases (whatever the magnitude and the quality of it may be) the other wants to hear about his old cases and wants to accompany him to a murder case (as if the person of Wakita's interest has interacted Kogoro in a previous case or/and can be expected in a future murder case.)
This points to the fact that Amuro was looking for a civilian on the run, Wakita is looking for a Policeman/Law enforcement official/constant presence at the crime scene.

[dccd]

so the poll results look clear enough. feel free to talk about spoilers without spoiler boxes. thank you for voting.

(and so ends the era of pages filled with nothing but spoiler boxes)

After 6 years it finally happens!!!
After all there is a kor.

Alibi: Cool case.

[MeiTanteixX]

Spoiler:

[Zerozaki4869]

Just a little addendum, Haighball(Haiboru)=Whiskey+Water/soda in Japan there would be no bar that will serve you Rum+Cola if you go and say Haiboru.
Given this series is in Japan and given Gosho is a Japanese person and his readers are also Japanese it is this,
``Highballs are popular in Japan, often made with Japanese whisky as a haibōru (ハイボール), or mixed with shōchū as a chūhai (チューハイ). Various mixers can be specified by suffixing with -hai (〜ハイ), as in oolong highball (ウーロンハイ, ūron-hai). These are consumed similarly to beer, often with food or at parties.``

Highballs are popular in Japan, often made with Japanese whisky as a haibōru (ハイボール), or mixed with shōchū as a chūhai (チューハイ). Various mixers can be specified by suffixing with -hai (〜ハイ), as in oolong highball (ウーロンハイ, ūron-hai). These are consumed similarly to beer, often with food or at parties.

https://whizzky.net/article.php?ide=90

It is same like saying Wakita fought Mary cause he can't handle the knives but Mary uses Knife hand strike. But in Japanese the Kanji used for the terms are very different. Given this caters to the Japanese populace, forcing one's westernised interpretation doesn't sound a good way of making a speculation.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Regarding similarity of Amuro and Wakita, there is a striking difference also.

1) Amuro wanted to accompany Kogoro to all sorts of cases while Wakita only wants to hear about Kogoro's past cases and accompany him to a murder case if that is possible.
2) So the striking dissimilarity between their goals. One thinks that his objective would be satisfied if he accompanies Kogoro to all sorts of cases while the other thinks his objective will be satisfied if he hears Kogoro's old cases and accompanies him to a murder case.

For Amuro we can decode that his interest was to get to someone who had a very big chance of being involved in one of Kogoro's cases (whatever the magnitude and the quality of it may be) the other wants to hear about his old cases and wants to accompany him to a murder case (as if the person of Wakita's interest has interacted Kogoro in a previous case or/and can be expected in a future murder case.)
This points to the fact that Amuro was looking for a civilian on the run, Wakita is looking for a Policeman/Law enforcement official/constant presence at the crime scene.

Kanenori could be looking for a specific murder case to accompany Kogorō to, but he doesn't say that—he simply says, if Kogorō takes him to a crime scene once, he'll "pay him a great service." So he could indeed be looking to get close to someone amongst law enforcement—specifically, someone involved in homicide investigation.

UPDATE:
Here are 1,053 text spoilers, courtesy of Manaphy:

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"The three who were riding the bus were looking for a meteorite which crashed here, perfect for money and research.

In the past, Gisuke found the meteorite, but he met a swindler and was robbed of it—that was the reason he committed suicide.

Umisuke has no intention to kill Conan's group, but he locked them up so they don't get in his way as he takes his revenge against the swindler who pushed his brother to commit suicide.

Conan gets everyone to cooperate with him and thinks about a way to shine a light on the culprit who drove Gisuke into committing suicide."

[Zerozaki4869]

Now a bit of case discussion,

a) The meteorite crashes.
b) Ginsuke gets it and calls several meteorite appraisers.
c) One comes directly to him with the pretext of appraising it.
d) He fakes the meteorite and gives the fake to Ginsuke while swindling the real one.
e) Ginsuke got suspicious and tested the fake, knew it and then called back the swindler for some other pretext.
f) They had a fight but Ginsuke could prove nothing, dejected the latter kills himself.
g) Then Umisuke figured out and he called the three (Possibly whom Ginsuke had contacted) with the possible fake video.
h) Umisuke has told something revealing, that he expects another man(in an indirect way) when he asked genta about whether there were only two men, Genta's group and Conan's group were the ones in the bus.As if he knew that it doesn't add up with two meteorite hunters.
i) Now Junya says he had met Ginsuke once and wanted to find him in the office. Nanbu followed him around as he said he didn't know anyone, the big man went directly for the kill.
j) Now would the swindler come to the office without some way to change his face, looks after that fiasco. No...it would be too much of a risk.
k) But on the other hand the big guy immediately knew where was the jungle while Junya and Nanbu knew that they need to ask around before going there, but they all knew that they need to come to Hatoyama farm.
l) But if Nanbu never knew anyone then how could he was able to deduce that it was around Hatoyama's farm, plus if the beard is fake then Nanbu is the only person whose face lacks any definite feature.
j) So Nanbu is a liar and possibly the swindler suspecting a trap he is using a disguise and wants to investigate under a fake persona, big guy is a veteran meteorite hunter, also he could be the swindler but then he would have suspected a trap and won't have taken the tip as truth ,while Junya is a small timer and he is surely not the swindler.

[blackmoon]

UPDATE:
Here are 1,053 text spoilers, courtesy of Manaphy:

Spoiler:

"The three who were riding the bus were looking for a meteorite which crashed here, perfect for money and research.

In the past, Gisuke found the meteorite, but he met a swindler and was robbed of it—that was the reason he committed suicide.

Umisuke has no intention to kill Conan's group, but he locked them up so they don't get in his way as he takes his revenge against the swindler who pushed his brother to commit suicide.

Conan gets everyone to cooperate with him and thinks about a way to shine a light on the culprit who drove Gisuke into committing suicide."

well "shine a light on the culprit" so to speak the truth? It does seem interesting that in this case there is no female among the three possible candidats for being that swindler. I wonder if Rumi would speak the truth when asked about the Shogi piece?

[Zerozaki4869]

I'm taking the liberty to post the spoiler pics. (They are of low resolution quality)

https://imgur.com/a/rWE3u2L