Fit the pieces together

[Kor]

Gosho threw around lots of pieces so far, right? Right. Just look at all these scattered pieces on the floor

Use this thread to fit the pieces together in... the way you think they all fit together. You also don't have to explain your decision in a super detailed manner if your reasoning is nothing more than a gut feeling (you're also welcome to share your 5000 words doc of theories if you so desire, though :V)

You can post and update your list if you change your mind about anything due to newly revealed hints or akais or characters or akais.

Here's a list with all the pieces for reference:

Rum
Kuroda
Rumi
Wakita
Person who uploads info about Kouji's murder case
Daddy Akai
? ? ?/Mark (in the cbox we decided to call him Mark, sorry not really sorry for potential confusion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
Extra, Asaka (if you think Asaka and Rum aren't the same person)
Extra, Original Kuroda (if you think the current Kuroda isn't the real Kuroda and someone switched places with him mid coma or whatever)

As an example for what general posts in this thread should probably look like:

Rum/Asaka - Wakita
Rumi - Case uploader
Daddy Akai - dead
Mark - Akai's cousin from one side and Kouji's cousin from another side

etc.

[dccd]

Let´s start...

Rum - Yonehara
Kuroda - Amuros Boss
Rumi - Case uploader
Wakita - further BO-member
Daddy Akai - dead
? ? ?/Mark - SIS Agent who´s looking for Mary
Asaka - Mary

[ginandjuice]

I too believe that Asaka is Mary and Kuroda is either Amuro's or Rumi's boss, or both.

How come you think Yonehara is Rum?

I really hope Wakita isn't a BO-member, he just seem...... weird to me. It'd be cool though if he was some crazy BO-member who killed people with an electric saw or something, that'd fit him. I think.

If Mary is Asaka and Rum is someone else I feel like it'd make a lot of sense to the plot if Asaka was, along with Amanda and Kouji forced to take the aptx but instead of dying, shrank and disappeared but she was still an adult ten years ago so I guess Asaka/Mary managing to escape is what Gin meant by Rum messing up.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

How come you think Yonehara is Rum?

My guess as to why one would conclude Sakurako is Rum would be because some see her as the Dr. Tomoaki Ariade of this arc—a character who seems innocuous and innocent, and makes us wonder why they keep appearing, but is actually a high-ranking BO member in disguise.

Here's mine:

Hyoue
1. Tsutomu in disguise
1A. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was a person of authority at the NPA—so, now, Tsutomu is Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
1B. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was Rum—so, now, Tsutomu is Rum
2. Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
3. Rum... but only if he doesn't remember what Shiho/Sherry looked like

Rumi
1. Was Koji's girlfriend, and Amanda's bodyguard, Asaka—witnessed the double-murder, escaped, and, now, is looking for revenge against Rum—is testing Shinichi/Conan to see if he can help her
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. BO member
3A. Codenamed member (Rum or not)
3B. Non-codenamed member

Kanenori
1. Codenamed BO member
1A. Not Rum
1B. Rum — his red herringness is off the charts, but, to me, he's more likely to be Rum than, say, Sakurako or Rumi
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. Connected to plot-relevant character

Uploader
1. Rumi
2. Other
2A. ? ? ? ?
2B. Tsutomu

Tsutomu
1. Alive
1A. Disguised as Hyoue
1B. Disguised as another character
1C. In hiding
1CA. Shrunk due to APTX?
1D. Is Rum (and has had that codename—and has been a BO member—for over 17 years)
2. Dead

? ? ? ?
1. Intelligence Agent
1A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
1B. Other (FBI, CIA, MI6, etc.)
2. Another character in disguise
2A. Shuichi
2B. Tsutomu
2C. Vermouth
3. New BO member
3A. Codenamed BO member (not Rum)
3B. Rum

Asaka
1. Rumi
2. Mary
3. Rum
4. Tsutomu
5. Other

[RucyL]

Rum - No idea. Will appear out of nowhere in file 1000.

Kuroda - Former secret police high ranked agent. He met Rumi more than 10 years ago as an enemy or an ally.

Rumi - 3 options. 1 Rational option: Secret police agent (or ex-agent)
2 Irrational option: Something in my mind keeps saying "She's Vermouth on disguise". But, Haibara would have noticed it, right? right?!?
3 Less irrational option: A minor BO member.
Either way, investigating something related to Haneda's murder.

Wakita - Plot related, but nothing big. New Eisuke + moustache.

Daddy Akai - dead

Mark - Somehow related to Kohji Haneda. Maybe the one who uploads the info?

Asaka - Mary, but not Rum.

[MeiTanteixX]

How come you think Yonehara is Rum?

My guess as to why one would conclude Sakurako is Rum would be because some see her as the Dr. Tomoaki Ariade of this arc—a character who seems innocuous and innocent, and makes us wonder why they keep appearing, but is actually a high-ranking BO member in disguise.

Here's mine:

Hyoue
1. Tsutomu in disguise
1A. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was a person of authority at the NPA—so, now, Tsutomu is Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
1B. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was Rum—so, now, Tsutomu is Rum
2. Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
3. Rum... but only if he doesn't remember what Shiho/Sherry looked like

Rumi
1. Was Koji's girlfriend, and Amanda's bodyguard, Asaka—witnessed the double-murder, escaped, and, now, is looking for revenge against Rum—is testing Shinichi/Conan to see if he can help her
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. BO member
3A. Codenamed member
3B. Non-codenamed member

Kanenori
1. Codenamed BO member
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. Connected to plot-relevant character

Uploader
1. Rumi
2. Other
2A. ? ? ? ?
2B. Tsutomu

Tsutomu
1. Alive
1A. Disguised as Hyoue
1B. Disguised as another character
1C. In hiding
1CA. Shrunk due to APTX?
2. Dead

? ? ? ?
1. Intelligence Agent
1A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
1B. Other (FBI, CIA, MI6, etc.)
2. Another character in disguise
3. New BO member

Asaka
1. Rumi
2. Mary
3. Rum
4. Other

I Agree fully with this! just wondering who "? ? ? ?" is (no need to tell me if it's from File 981+)

[Stopwatch]

How come you think Yonehara is Rum?

My guess as to why one would conclude Sakurako is Rum would be because some see her as the Dr. Tomoaki Ariade of this arc—a character who seems innocuous and innocent, and makes us wonder why they keep appearing, but is actually a high-ranking BO member in disguise.

Here's mine:

Hyoue
1. Tsutomu in disguise
1A. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was a person of authority at the NPA—so, now, Tsutomu is Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
1B. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was Rum—so, now, Tsutomu is Rum
2. Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
3. Rum... but only if he doesn't remember what Shiho/Sherry looked like

Rumi
1. Was Koji's girlfriend, and Amanda's bodyguard, Asaka—witnessed the double-murder, escaped, and, now, is looking for revenge against Rum—is testing Shinichi/Conan to see if he can help her
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. BO member
3A. Codenamed member
3B. Non-codenamed member

Kanenori
1. Codenamed BO member
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. Connected to plot-relevant character

Uploader
1. Rumi
2. Other
2A. ? ? ? ?
2B. Tsutomu

Tsutomu
1. Alive
1A. Disguised as Hyoue
1B. Disguised as another character
1C. In hiding
1CA. Shrunk due to APTX?
2. Dead

? ? ? ?
1. Intelligence Agent
1A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
1B. Other (FBI, CIA, MI6, etc.)
2. Another character in disguise
3. New BO member

Asaka
1. Rumi
2. Mary
3. Rum
4. Other

I Agree fully with this! just wondering who "? ? ? ?" is (no need to tell me if it's from File 981+)

From that file, yep.

[PirateKing]

Rum - Has not been introduced yet. If you take Gosho's postcard of 'Rum has already appeared!' to actually be 'Rum' and not 'Lum' and the fact is that Rum *has* in fact appeared, then I'd say he hasn't had a major part in this arc yet. He is an older character.

Kuroda - is who he says he is, potential future ally to Conan within the Tokyo MPD. His accident from 10 years ago might have been caused by the organization.

Rumi - Has an ulterior motive (possibly personal?), but is a lone wolf, not part of any organisation. Desperate to see Conan in action, but kind of a loose cannon, when you think of the callousness she has shown in the last case (allowing a possible murder just to see Conan's skills).

Wakita - red herring of this arc, might not even be important towards the end.

Asaka - Daddy Akai. Mary's and Sera's reactions when they hear 'Haneda Kohji' in the Soul Detective case seem to suggest the case is important to them. We know that Daddy Akai was involved in the case, as said by Akai in the Clipped Letters case and also that it wa the reason Akai wanted to join the FBI. Putting two and two together, I think Daddy Akai was Asaka, who disappeared after Kohji's murder, and Akai wanted to join the FBI to find him. But the problem is, if Asaka is Daddy Akai and he is a good guy, the 'ASACA RUM' spelled out by Kouji is a mystery.

Person who uploads info about Kouji's murder case - Toss up between Daddy Akai and Mary, but gut feeling says Mary. Posting the case info online looks more like a plea for help, so it could be done by Mary to alert her fellow secret service members (or someone specific - James Black?) since she can't do it personally in her shrunken state. I know the same argument can be put forward for Daddy Akai, but I go with Mary.

? ? ?/Mark - Haven't the faintest idea. Possibly searching for info on Haneda Kouji. Resemblance to Akai family remarkable, might be a family member on the father's side?

The only ones I'm actually sure about is Kuroda being a good guy and Asaka being Daddy Akai. Rest are up in the air.

[ATEM]

How come you think Yonehara is Rum?

My guess as to why one would conclude Sakurako is Rum would be because some see her as the Dr. Tomoaki Ariade of this arc—a character who seems innocuous and innocent, and makes us wonder why they keep appearing, but is actually a high-ranking BO member in disguise.

I don't have my own theories for anyone by now but yonehara and sakurako both have clearified past and childhood ,I know that something is gonna come out from sakurako and the nagano team but Rum's age and life style is predicted to be different from a normal student and a police officer grown having a noble police officer as her hero that both don't exceed 3X years old , I know this can't be enough to exclude them but still ...

[DCUniverseAficionado]

but yonehara and sakurako both have clearified past and childhood

Her first name is Sakurako, and her last name is Yonehara. She's one person.

EDIT:
I updated my list, in my earlier post; now, for this post, here's a certain character... who's not really that big of a deal... that I didn't have in the initial list. I can definitely say who I think this character is not (though my edited list does include these possibilities), and who I think this character may be.

EDIT (#2):
Changed Tsutomu's and Asaka's positions, and added another character to the ≠ list.

Who Rum is not
Rum ≠ Mary

Rum ≠ Sakurako

Rum ≠ Rumi

Rum ≠ Kiyonaga

Unsure
Rum – Too early to call – ? ? ? ? (My gut says no, but it's simply too early—I'm going to wait until the current case concludes to, hopefully, place him in the
≠ category or the ~ category)

Rum – Tsutomu (I just can't be as sure about him not being Rum—as in, him being Rum all along, as far back as 17 years ago—as I'm sure about Rumi, Sakurako or Kiyonaga not being Rum... and, of course, if Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was Rum, Tsutomu/Post-Coma Hyoue can be Rum, that way, too. Ultimately, my bet's on the latter option, in terms of him being Rum, but I can't yet completely discount the chance that he was Rum all along)

Rum – Asaka (This is really a question of whether Rum was able to become Amanda's bodyguard, or whether Rum simply came to the room and overpowered the bodyguard—my bet, though, is that Rumi, or even Mary, is more likely to turn out to be Asaka than Rum)

Who Rum might just be
Rum ~ Kanenori – Least likely

Rum ~ Hyoue (whether Tsutomu has replaced him or not) – More likely

Rum ~ Taka'aki; Heizo; Chikara Katsumasa – Most likely

[dccd]

Spoiler:

The only arguments against Yonehara being Rum from my point of view are:
- Her age || This can be explained by APTX
- Ai didnt feel the bo-aura || This can be explained with various reasons.
Anything else about Rum is pure speculation since we don´t know anything - esspecially not his lifestyle or similar.

I might do a really long post about my guess, but maybe on another day.

So DC, i guess u must assume Mary wasnt shrunk by Rum, since Mary saw the match between Chikara and Shukichi and
wasnt scared or bothered at all.

[Kor]

Here's mine:

Hyoue
1. Tsutomu in disguise
1A. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was a person of authority at the NPA—so, now, Tsutomu is Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
1B. Real/Pre-Coma Hyoue was Rum—so, now, Tsutomu is Rum
2. Rei's/Toru's boss at the Security Bureau
3. Rum... but only if he doesn't remember what Shiho/Sherry looked like

Rumi
1. Was Koji's girlfriend, and Amanda's bodyguard, Asaka—witnessed the double-murder, escaped, and, now, is looking for revenge against Rum—is testing Shinichi/Conan to see if he can help her
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. BO member
3A. Codenamed member (Rum or not)
3B. Non-codenamed member

Kanenori
1. Codenamed BO member
1A. Not Rum
1B. Rum — his red herringness is off the charts, but, to me, he's more likely to be Rum than, say, Sakurako or Rumi
2. Intelligence Agent
2A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
2B. Other (FBI, CIA, etc.)
3. Connected to plot-relevant character

Uploader
1. Rumi
2. Other
2A. ? ? ? ?
2B. Tsutomu

Tsutomu
1. Alive
1A. Disguised as Hyoue
1B. Disguised as another character
1C. In hiding
1CA. Shrunk due to APTX?
1D. Is Rum
2. Dead

? ? ? ?
1. Intelligence Agent
1A. NPA Security Bureau / MPD PSB
1B. Other (FBI, CIA, MI6, etc.)
2. Another character in disguise
3. New BO member
3A. Codenamed BO member (not Rum)
3B. Rum

Asaka
1. Rumi
2. Mary
3. Rum
4. Tsutomu
5. Other

Her first name is Sakurako, and her last name is Yonehara. She's one person.

EDIT:

I updated my list, in my earlier post; now, for this post, here's a certain character... who's not really that big of a deal... that I didn't have in the initial list. I can definitely say who I think this character is not (though my edited list does include these possibilities), and who I think this character may be.

Who Rum is not
Rum ≠ Rumi

Rum ≠ Tsutomu (Unless he replaced Hyoue, and Pre-Coma Hyoue was Rum)

Rum ≠ Sakurako

Rum ≠ Kiyonaga

Unsure
Rum – Too early to call – ? ? ? ? (My gut says no, but it's simply too early—I'm going to wait until the current case concludes to, hopefully, place him in the
≠ category or the ~ category)

Who Rum might just be
Rum ~ Kanenori – Least likely

Rum ~ Asaka – More likely

Rum ~ Hyoue (whether Tsutomu has replaced him or not) – Somewhat more likely

Rum ~ Taka'aki; Heizo; Chikara Katsumasa – Most likely

Umm, I don't want to police this thread, but do you mind keeping it simple? Suggesting every possibility that crosses your mind or assigning 4 different options for each piece or complete brainstorming is not the purpose of the thread. Assigning Rum likelihood to all the characters you can think of is probably better fit for the Rum discussion thread, and while I can see the benefits of having a list of who cannot be this or that person, this is not the type of list this thread is for. (As in, it's for "who is who" not "who is not who")

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

So DC, i guess u must assume Mary wasnt shrunk by Rum, since Mary saw the match between Chikara and Shukichi and
wasnt scared or bothered at all.

Spoiler:

That implies that she saw his face when he attacked her, and knows what he looks like—he could've been wearing clothes that hid his appearance, or he could've been in disguise, when he attacked her.

Spoiler:

The only arguments against Yonehara being Rum from my point of view are:
- Her age || This can be explained by APTX
- Ai didnt feel the bo-aura || This can be explained with various reasons.
Anything else about Rum is pure speculation since we don´t know anything - esspecially not his lifestyle or similar.

I might do a really long post about my guess, but maybe on another day.

Spoiler:

Why would Rum take APTX? And if so, then she'd see through Shinichi/Conan immediately, if she knew of Shinichi Kudo—meaning she might've even figured him out back during her first appearance (File 781–File 786/Episode 652–Episode 655)—she's also had two chances to see Shiho/Ai (File 847–File 849/Episode 731–Episode 732 and File 918–File 920/Episode 814–Episode 815), thus giving Sakurako two chances to see through her, as well.

As for her secretly having an artificial eye, Chekhov did an analysis on that:

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... fin/Vision

And here's what this analysis led her to conclude about Sakurako:

"Sakurako Yonehara has two working eyes and an honest personality which is reflected by her giving other characters less side-eye than most."

You must be thinking that, unless she's Rum, there's no reason for her to continue appearing, and end up on a volume keyhole, right?

Where you see the Rum arc's Tomoaki Ariade, a disguise for the arc's titular character (correct me if my assessment of your position is wrong), I see the Rum arc's Eisuke—a character who's connected to the titular character of the arc, by blood or otherwise, and will give Shinichi/Conan a chance, through this connection, to figure out the titular character's identity.

[carrotrocket]

First post ^^
Just finished catching up with the manga

Spoiler:

Something that I haven't seen discussed much recently, in File 954 (the one with the ASACA song and Vermouth disguised as Azusa), pages 4-5:
Akai (as Subaru, speaking to Ran and Sonoko) (emphasis mine):

Tell me, have you ever seen somebody... strange, around Sera-san? [...] Someone who is always careful, and also skilled at bringing down their opponents. They go by the name, 'Asaka', but I don't think they would reveal their name to others.

So Akai is aware, or at least suspicious, that Asaka knows Sera's identity. In which case, Akai most likely knows who Asaka actually is, or at least, he has solid suspicions.

The thing that bothers me the most: why does Akai suspects that Asaka knows Sera? (or: how does he know, that Asaka knows Sera?)
I don't think the identity of Sera is well-known to most of the people involved in the Kohji Haneda case:
- Sera was just born back then
- Tsutomu has never seen his daughter
- The only apparent survivors were Rum and Asaka.
So either Asaka has been in contact with Mary or Chukichi, or Asaka is Mary (or in that case, even Tsutomu).

This is, of course, assuming that Akai posed that question with awareness of the situation, and not as a wild guess.


The other thing is that, I can't see how all this would fit with Asaka=Rumi or Asaka=Kuroda theories, which would be otherwise more plausible and exciting, as they never showed they knew Sera even exists. Of course, they might do so off-screen.

If all of this was already said, please do put me in the loop lol

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Another thing is about the disguise skills. I don't recall any mention of Rum's disguise skills to the extent of being able to impersonate someone else.
This is unlike, say, Vermouth, whose disguise skills were made apparent in her second appearance in the manga, and thoroughly used after that. Even Bourbon's disguises were made with the aid of Vermouth.
So it would surprise me if it turned out that Rum was actually copying the appearance of another character.

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Final thing: would the Miyanos fit in all this?

Just so this isn't completely OT, here's my list:

Rum - no idea. Going with Wakita for now: although that seems a bit TOO easy, it might fit with the flow of the story and Gosho's style (the most important character being introduced in the, seemingly, least exciting case).

Hyoue - someone close to Rumi, possibly a relative or a colleague. Still a wild card plot-wise. The emphasis on the name "Wakasa Rumi" in File 980 has to mean something, right? Does he knows that's a fake name? Does he know the "Asaka Rum" stuff?

Rumi - someone close to both Hyoue and Kohji, or even close to Asaka themselves. I don't think she's a Secret Police/Mi6/justice member, as it seems that her morals are ...utilitarian at best.
She might also the information uploader, but I don't see enough clues for that as of yet.

Asaka - either Mary (or Tsutomu), OR someone very close to Akai's family (whether in the past or just recently)

? ? ? ? - absolutely no idea whatsoever. Looks awfully similar to both Kohji and Tsutomu; seeing as Kohji is a "non-blood brother" of Shukichi, this might be the link between the two families.

[Tantei San]

All right my turn..!
1. Kuroda- Rum in disguise, And using actual kuroda's coma as mean to not use much of disguise(wearing glasses and using the stick)

2. Wakita- Actual kuroda in disguise. Actual NPA commander. But when he got the news of another kuroda in NPA he disguised him self and he wasn't that harmed so he isn't using any stick.

3. Rumi- Sent by WAKITA, he knows about conan being in contact with the FBI so he sent rumi as a teacher.(Also a relative/lover/someone to kohji)

4. Asaka- Mary/??/Dad Akai
1. Mary- If she is Asaka, then she probably was hired by Rum/BO for the eviction of kohji haneda and later RUM was to kill her by using APTX but only ended up making her shrink.(leading to the fact, the he knows APTX is shrinking some to kids)
2. If someone else is asaka we might have to check.
3. If Dad akai is asaka then probably mary either saw him killing kohji-amanda and ran to which RUM stopped her and gave her APTX.

5. Tsutomu Akai- Alive! That's all i can say.Also, I just don't think Tsutomu can ever be RUM(for which he will be not only betraying his son and wife but if the theory goes by BO was after him to KILL.!!? Why would he ever become No.2 of a underground crime syndicate that is after his LIFE?Also I still think that the mystery man is he himself. Even Detectiveconanwikia has it stated.

Also, the Uploader for kohji haneda has to be someone from the NPA/MPD/FBI since the case was in US.

There are many loose ends to my theory to which i will change later. as I can think of more. For the time being bear with it.! Feel free to counter.