Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 913-917

[k11chi]

Hmm... could it be that Kuroda is the boss of Woodpecker then? He is quite suspicious after all. Remember Kan-chan's comment and the other information we got...

Because it is not impossible at all for Gosho to troll us by giving a RUM canditate and then revealing that character to be the boss of another organization.

...wait a sec.

What if the current Hyuoe(whatevs) Kuroda is RUM who replaced the previous one that got into coma. It could explain the changed haircolor, missing memories and the feel of being completely different person.

But what would RUM gain from this?

[MoonRaven]

Hmm... could it be that Kuroda is the boss of Woodpecker then? He is quite suspicious after all. Remember Kan-chan's comment and the other information we got...

Because it is not impossible at all for Gosho to troll us by giving a RUM canditate and then revealing that character to be the boss of another organization.

...wait a sec.

What if the current Hyuoe(whatevs) Kuroda is RUM who replaced the previous one that got into coma. It could explain the changed haircolor, missing memories and the feel of being completely different person.

But what would RUM gain from this?

Not RUM but organization in general. Having control and the eyes of the Woodpecker Association... that's gotta be useful. But until we know more about these birds, I don't dare to put that much weight on this theory.

[Mysterymaniac4869]

I want neither Kansuke nor Morofushi to be Rum. I mean, I find them too good to be a member of BO

[MeiTanteixX]

Hmm... could it be that Kuroda is the boss of Woodpecker then? He is quite suspicious after all. Remember Kan-chan's comment and the other information we got...

Because it is not impossible at all for Gosho to troll us by giving a RUM canditate and then revealing that character to be the boss of another organization.

...wait a sec.

What if the current Hyuoe(whatevs) Kuroda is RUM who replaced the previous one that got into coma. It could explain the changed haircolor, missing memories and the feel of being completely different person.

Yesss!!!! That's Exactly what I was thinking! !!! ...and that former kuroda was a member of the woodpecker! (That situation felt awfully the same as vermouth arc!!)

According to the way gosho writes, the dead character of someone related to an antagonist, who's blamed for something, usually ends up being inoccent(at least the way I've come to know DC). Could be that the police finds out that kansuke's deceased friend was framed by takeda for the incident to happen, which will lead to the police believing kansuke had an even bigger motive for murder , OR/and that kansuke's friend was also a member of the organization and the reason takeda killed him was because of org matter. And I agree that kano seemed like a former member, cuz I doubt that kano would find out about "what actually happened"(9-year-incident) if he didn't have an inside information.(Gosho also tends to make the victims(who we know nothing about) of silencing murders to be a bad person). Who I think could end up being a Woodpecker member is:

- Takeda (boss?)

- Kano

- possibly kansuke's friend

- possibly kuroda(former one, if he was replaced) (boss?)

- possibly the other inspector(drunky, who's with akiyama(the wimp), because I think he is gonna be the next cop to die and that the motive of the murderer was that drunky was a member)

Possible suspects for the serial murder:

- Akiyama (TOP SUSPECT)(motive: connected to his parents?)

- possibly drunky inspector(motive: ---)

I wonder how yui's ex-husband(from the torada family) knew about the org. Maybe he found out from that local officer that kansuke and yui admired(...but how would he know?)

Hmm... could it be that Kuroda is the boss of Woodpecker then? He is quite suspicious after all. Remember Kan-chan's comment and the other information we got...

Because it is not impossible at all for Gosho to troll us by giving a RUM canditate and then revealing that character to be the boss of another organization.

...wait a sec.

What if the current Hyuoe(whatevs) Kuroda is RUM who replaced the previous one that got into coma. It could explain the changed haircolor, missing memories and the feel of being completely different person.

But what would RUM gain from this?

Intel on the NPA(National Police Agency), possibly?

[Incomplete-tantei]

I wonder if Kuroda Hyoue's name is written with the kanji for black (黒) ?

EDIT: OK, got my answser. It is.

I was also thinking, some of you guys think the name "Hyoue" could be consisdered as a sort of "feminine name"? I don't think the rumors of Rum being effeminate were about the name but more about the looks. First, because very little is known about Rum within the black organization and second because I don't think Rum's name would be known to other BO members just like that. That's why I think the rumors about the "effeminate" thing weren't about the name but more about the looks of Rum. I mean, I don't think such a high-ranked codenamed black organization member like Rum would reveal his name (even a false one) so easily. Vermouth is a different story, since she's an actress, she made a name for herself and in addition to this she does a lot of things on her own. Rum being so important and so discreet even to the black organization itself, no black organization member should be aware of Rum's name, I guess.

I haven't read all the posts yet but I don't really agree on Koumei being a Rum suspect (as I've seen some people suggesting that) because he doesn't have an injured eye. Yes you could say he might have an artificial eye...(and again it would be really far-fetched in my opinion if he had an artifical eye, considering how well it's done then..) but I think Gosho really wants to focus on people who visibly and clearly have lost their eye so we can concentrate on these persons. I mean, it would be very difficult otherwise to narrow down the Rum susepcts.

[MeiTanteixX]

I wonder if Kuroda Hyoue's name is written with the kanji for black (黒) ?

Yep, apparently it means "Black rice paddy"...which is basically denoting old fields, mostly found in the western japan and Okinawa. It's a pretty common name on many places and it has a couple of pronunciations(probably bcuz of dialect difference), such as "Kuruta" and "Kurota".

[unclesporkums]

If it's not Komei, it's none of them, in my opinion. Gosho's always done the misdirecting suspects routine, since this is a kids manga, and I doubt he'd do a subversion now.

[MeiTanteixX]

If it's not Komei, it's none of them, in my opinion. Gosho's always done the misdirecting suspects routine, since this is a kids manga, and I doubt he'd do a subversion now.

Only twice did he do the misdirection techniques in the DC arcs:
- vermouth arc (jodie was the dummy)
- bourbon arc (Subaru was the dummy)
And, while the hints were vague, it was still noticeable that amuro was bourbon, or that jodie wasn't vermouth. If gosho's really following his old routine, he wouldn't pull a koumei twist UNLESS he starts giving out hints about koumei being suspicious(at the very least). So far, other than his intelligence, there hasn't been any hints or characteristics hinted that points him to being a BO member, nonetheless RUM.

[alphajjc]

If it's not Komei, it's none of them, in my opinion. Gosho's always done the misdirecting suspects routine, since this is a kids manga, and I doubt he'd do a subversion now.

Only twice did he do the misdirection techniques in the DC arcs:
- vermouth arc (jodie was the dummy)
- bourbon arc (Subaru was the dummy)
And, while the hints were vague, it was still noticeable that amuro was bourbon, or that jodie wasn't vermouth. If gosho's really following his old routine, he wouldn't pull a koumei twist UNLESS he starts giving out hints about koumei being suspicious(at the very least). So far, other than his intelligence, there hasn't been any hints or characteristics hinted that points him to being a BO member, nonetheless RUM.

Especially since thus far in each previous case the person the Arc is titled after or in general the BO member ends up being a new person.

I do wonder however with our recent theories of the Boss of BO being in the same situation as Conan with APTX and being shrunken...if this means Rum is a "parallel" to James Black of the FBI.

The same way you could say Jodi and Vermouth are "similar" yet are big rivals....in the way that Akai and Gin are.....it seems Camel would be that to Vodka but with all due respect to Camel they just seem like they are just there...

We really don't have enough FBI members in the show(Gosho really should add some) if we are gonna make other parallels...but anyway with what we have know remaining is James Black. Since I am believing more and more the boss will be in the same situation as Conan...I am curious as to whether Rum will be similar to James BLack.

The difference with Rum compared to the start of the Bourbon arc is that Kir did not say what his skill or specialty was like how she told us Bourbon was in the Renaissance field like Vermouth.

PS.

Woodpecker organization and the "Crows" that is the black organization...something interesting there?

[unclesporkums]

If it's not Komei, it's none of them, in my opinion. Gosho's always done the misdirecting suspects routine, since this is a kids manga, and I doubt he'd do a subversion now.

Only twice did he do the misdirection techniques in the DC arcs:
- vermouth arc (jodie was the dummy)
- bourbon arc (Subaru was the dummy)
And, while the hints were vague, it was still noticeable that amuro was bourbon, or that jodie wasn't vermouth. If gosho's really following his old routine, he wouldn't pull a koumei twist UNLESS he starts giving out hints about koumei being suspicious(at the very least). So far, other than his intelligence, there hasn't been any hints or characteristics hinted that points him to being a BO member, nonetheless RUM.

I was talking about the murder suspects, and besides, he's only done it twice because there has really only been two "BO Suspicion" cases. The Rena one is an exception, since her revelation was almost immediate. The hulking cop with the missing eye reminds me of Camel being mistaken for a BO agent.

[Incomplete-tantei]

I wonder if Kuroda Hyoue's name is written with the kanji for black (黒) ?

Yep, apparently it means "Black rice paddy"...which is basically denoting old fields, mostly found in the western japan and Okinawa. It's a pretty common name on many places and it has a couple of pronunciations(probably bcuz of dialect difference), such as "Kuruta" and "Kurota".

(Well it's more because you can't tell for sure how some names are pronounced when it's written in kanji unless the person in question tells you how it is pronounced [particularly with the furigana when it's in a manga for example].
All of this is due to the fact that kanjis have different pronounciations, though I don't think it's a question of area or dialect. That's why we might have had something like "Kurota" instead of "Kuroda" for example because this kanji : 田[which is the "da" of Kuroda] can be pronounced either as "ta" or "da".)

[MeiTanteixX]

I wonder if Kuroda Hyoue's name is written with the kanji for black (黒) ?

Yep, apparently it means "Black rice paddy"...which is basically denoting old fields, mostly found in the western japan and Okinawa. It's a pretty common name on many places and it has a couple of pronunciations(probably bcuz of dialect difference), such as "Kuruta" and "Kurota".

(Well it's more because you can't tell for sure how some names are pronounced when it's written in kanji unless the person in question tells you how it is pronounced [particularly with the furigana when it's in a manga for example].
All of this is due to the fact that kanjis have different pronounciations, though I don't think it's a question of area or dialect. That's why we might have had something like "Kurota" instead of "Kuroda" for example because this kanji : 田[which is the "da" of Kuroda] can be pronounced either as "ta" or "da".)

- The more You know! - *rainbow*

[alphajjc]

If it's not Komei, it's none of them, in my opinion. Gosho's always done the misdirecting suspects routine, since this is a kids manga, and I doubt he'd do a subversion now.

Only twice did he do the misdirection techniques in the DC arcs:
- vermouth arc (jodie was the dummy)
- bourbon arc (Subaru was the dummy)
And, while the hints were vague, it was still noticeable that amuro was bourbon, or that jodie wasn't vermouth. If gosho's really following his old routine, he wouldn't pull a koumei twist UNLESS he starts giving out hints about koumei being suspicious(at the very least). So far, other than his intelligence, there hasn't been any hints or characteristics hinted that points him to being a BO member, nonetheless RUM.

I was talking about the murder suspects, and besides, he's only done it twice because there has really only been two "BO Suspicion" cases. The Rena one is an exception, since her revelation was almost immediate. The hulking cop with the missing eye reminds me of Camel being mistaken for a BO agent.

I was just about to mention this but you beat me to it. It may be a coincidence but maybe one main reason could also be the BO branch that Vermouth and Bourbon both are in and how they are friendly together. With them the red herrings may be much more pronounced because of their expertise with disguises. But maybe Rum will be more in your face and won't try to hide who he is too much.

For now I'm going with Koruda

[MeiTanteixX]

Same here, Kuroda has the associations of being a BO member, I mean come on, former NPA member? The Mysterious coma incident, and a possible connection to the woodpecker organization? (And his age is almost equivalent to pisco, who has worked with the boss for a long time) Sounds fishy to me,... kan-chan on the other hand,... just a simple badass nagano detective with no revealed special connections to anything particular. ...Kuroda for now as well!

[alphajjc]

Same here, Kuroda has the associations of being a BO member, I mean come on, former NPA member? The Mysterious coma incident, and a possible connection to the woodpecker organization? (And his age is almost equivalent to pisco, who has worked with the boss for a long time) Sounds fishy to me,... kan-chan on the other hand,... just a simple badass nagano detective with no revealed special connections to anything particular. ...Kuroda for now as well!

And maybe we should learn from over 760 episodes of this show not to judge a book by its cover but sometimes you cannot necessarily help it. I mean someone like unclesporkums avatar being the boss of Gin. Menacing Gin? Shoot myself to overcome the effects of a tranquilizer Gin? Or maybe we are both wrong and we will have someone completely different be revealed as Rum during the 1000th chapter of Conan. But I am hoping that chapter involves Kir being found out as being undercover and AKAI reveals himself.