Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

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Just ooonnnnne question - assuming Okiya is Akai, and ScarAkai is Bourbon, how would you explain why Okiya said that ScarAkai wasn't who he thought he was?  I'm sure you can come up with a reason, I'm just saying that you should answer that question in that list to be complete . . .
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:he line also implies that Bourbon isn’t doing what he was assigned to do which was look for Sherry. (703.03)
Notice that no one has ever confirmed nor denied that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry.  Even at this point, that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry is pure speculation on the parts of Jodie and Kir.
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Abs. wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:he line also implies that Bourbon isn’t doing what he was assigned to do which was look for Sherry. (703.03)
Notice that no one has ever confirmed nor denied that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry.  Even at this point, that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry is pure speculation on the parts of Jodie and Kir.
Wait, are you replying to me?
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acerola21 wrote:
Abs. wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:he line also implies that Bourbon isn’t doing what he was assigned to do which was look for Sherry. (703.03)
Notice that no one has ever confirmed nor denied that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry.  Even at this point, that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry is pure speculation on the parts of Jodie and Kir.
Wait, are you replying to me?
No.  A question such as yours is meant to be left to an individual such as Chekhov to answer.
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Abs. wrote:
acerola21 wrote:
Abs. wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:he line also implies that Bourbon isn’t doing what he was assigned to do which was look for Sherry. (703.03)
Notice that no one has ever confirmed nor denied that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry.  Even at this point, that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry is pure speculation on the parts of Jodie and Kir.
Wait, are you replying to me?
No.  A question such as yours is meant to be left to an individual such as Chekhov to answer.
Note: Never doubt Chekhov's detective skills. We all know he is Shinichi in disguise (See "Black Org Truth" thread). If he says something, he's got back-up arguments and proof. End of discussion.
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Just to reply to the purpose of the thread, I say Okiya=Akai, and Bourbon is most likely Scar-Akai It's kinda obvious, even if there are maybe one or two holes in the theory left to find.

However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
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Key-chan wrote:
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However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
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He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
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Abs. wrote:
acerola21 wrote:
Abs. wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:he line also implies that Bourbon isn’t doing what he was assigned to do which was look for Sherry. (703.03)
Notice that no one has ever confirmed nor denied that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry.  Even at this point, that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry is pure speculation on the parts of Jodie and Kir.
Wait, are you replying to me?
No.  A question such as yours is meant to be left to an individual such as Chekhov to answer.
note to self: never ask a hard question in the Story Discussion Board, or I will lose ownership of it to Chekhov.
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mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
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However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
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He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
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Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
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Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
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no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
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mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
Spoiler:
no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
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And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

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Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
Spoiler:
no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
Spoiler:
And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD
Spoiler:
Small world. XD
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acerola21 wrote: Just ooonnnnne question - assuming Okiya is Akai, and ScarAkai is Bourbon, how would you explain why Okiya said that ScarAkai wasn't who he thought he was?  I'm sure you can come up with a reason, I'm just saying that you should answer that question in that list to be complete . . .
It was a message for Conan. Conan knows from what Okiya said that he had seen scar Akai, and Okiya's comments that, "Actually, I happened to see him on that floor. Unfortunately, it seems he wasn't who I thought he was, so I didn't talk to him. I've known his face for a very long time... There's no way I could be mistaken." You can parse his quote this way: "Actually, I happened to see that person who looked like Akai on that floor. This Akai wasn't the real Akai, and I didn't confront him. Being the real Akai, this scar Akai is someone else..." Okiya is layering is conversation with a second meaning, confirming there is someone disguising as Akai, for Conan's benefit and Conan is a bit surprised and nervous about the info.
Abs. wrote: Notice that no one has ever confirmed nor denied that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry.  Even at this point, that Bourbon's mission was to find Sherry is pure speculation on the parts of Jodie and Kir.
The topic of Bourbon's mission comes up one more time other than the scene with Jodie and Hidemi on the cellphone. Hidemi brings it up with Gin and Vodka in the Porsche during the red shirts case. (703.03) Technically, I suppose it is speculation since Gin and Vodka neither confirm or deny Sherry-hunting is Bourbon's mission, but it seems likely since dressing up as Akai isn't what Bourbon is supposed to be up to. I doubt the boss would have given permission to take out "Akai" if that person had assigned Bourbon to scope out the FBI in disguise. I think Vermouth may have known/guessed what Bourbon was up to which is why she made a comment about the boss being cautious enough to test a stone bridge - a tip to Gin to not be too trigger happy without careful assessment first.
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
Spoiler:
no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
Spoiler:
And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD
Spoiler:
Small world. XD
Spoiler:
...with a lot of inbreeding.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
Spoiler:
no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
Spoiler:
And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD
Spoiler:
Small world. XD
Spoiler:
...with a lot of inbreeding.
Spoiler:
that's so messed up! if Jodie were okiya's aunt's cousin's granddaughter then how old would the cousin be?
and if Ai were okiya's aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate, then when was Ai born and how old is she now? and who is the brother? would that mean that the brother's a pedo?
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

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mizumi wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
Spoiler:
no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
Spoiler:
And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD
Spoiler:
Small world. XD
Spoiler:
...with a lot of inbreeding.
Spoiler:
that's so messed up! if Jodie were okiya's aunt's cousin's granddaughter then how old would the cousin be?
and if Ai were okiya's aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate, then when was Ai born and how old is she now? and who is the brother? would that mean that the brother's a pedo?
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It's ok, APTX-4869 explains everything!
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Re: Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

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Abs. wrote:
mizumi wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Key-chan wrote:
Spoiler:
However, just for the sake of throwing in a random crack-idea: I believe Okiya is Hakuba Saguru's cousin with a hidden obsession for time and hiding a male hawk somewhere called Irene ;D
Spoiler:
He's also a half-brother to Dr Araide.
Spoiler:
Would that make Jodie his aunt's cousin's granddaughter?
Spoiler:
no, his aunt's cousin's grandaughter's mother's cousin's mother's granddaughter's sister.

and that makes Ai his aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate.
Spoiler:
And Vermouth his father's sister's uncle's brother's- okay this getting ridiculous, let's just face it and say the DC characters are all distant relatives to each other XD
Spoiler:
Small world. XD
Spoiler:
...with a lot of inbreeding.
Spoiler:
that's so messed up! if Jodie were okiya's aunt's cousin's granddaughter then how old would the cousin be?
and if Ai were okiya's aunt's cousin's brother's uncle's niece's grandmother's nephew's brother's former roommate, then when was Ai born and how old is she now? and who is the brother? would that mean that the brother's a pedo?
Spoiler:
It's ok, APTX-4869 explains everything!
Spoiler:
Of course it explains everything. It even explains why for the past five years everyone who saw me for the first time thought I looked sixteen.
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