Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-???: Scarlet Series!

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Here is my thoughts on this whole "Scarlet Interrogation-Return" matter. To make this clear, I haven't read most of the ideas and discussion for this chapter so I apologies if some of my ideas looks copied!

Spoiler:
Okiya Subaru:


This chapter revealed to us that Okiya Subaru was NOT Yuusaku in disguise. people might argue that the Yuusaku in the macademy awards was fake, or the LIVE segment was fake. First of all, it's highly doubtfull that yukiko would dress up as her husband and show herself live on TV, ESPECIALLY, since she can't change her voice like vermouth (and that conan changing her voice all the way from japan would be pretty farfetched when they can do something simple as what im about say). Faking the LIVE part is also impossible since gosho confirmed that it was a LIVE broadcast in the mouri's TV!
Now, I had mixed feelings on yuusaku's involvement in this chapter but after this reveal, im pretty confident that Gosho has given importance to what conan said to yuusaku in the first place(that it's his battle, and that his father shouldn't aid him on this BO matter).

Back to my conclusion,..since yukiko has aided her son almost all the time in his confrontation with the BO, and that she is good at disguising, I'm pretty much concluding that she is disguised as Okiya.

Disguise:
she is wearing a wig, facial mask, inflatable west(that vermouth wears when dressed as a man), what I believe is, a listening-device-glasses and, what I also believe is, a speaker-cold-mask!

Here is what I'm thinking:
Conan is inside a room (in either Agasa's or his house) with around 5 monitoring computers(showing the corridors, halls, the outside and the living room where okiya and amuro is sitting) and a speaker(that's playing back what is being said through the glasses). He also has a microphone in front of him(where he speaks through using his bowtie to change his voice to okiya's while the speaker-coldmask is playing back everything he is saying to amuro) and is also wearing a Bluetooth-like micro-headphone (where he can hear everything being said in Jodie's car through a listening device that's on Akai).

Here is my reasons for believing so:

Speaker-cold-mask:
I got a big hint when I noticed that Okiya was putting the string of the cold mask against his mouth when he was speaking to amuro, after taking of the cold mask. That moment, I realized that the mask had a great importance for the disguise yukiko was wearing and that it either changed her voice, or that it was a speaker that was playing out what conan was saying. Now, I chose the latter because otherwise it wouldn't make sense that conan would use the bowtie at all. In other words, yukiko was keeping the mask close to her mouth to make sure that it looked like the source of the sound was from her mouth and also so that she could cover her mouth in case amuro saw some inconsistency with her fake mouth movements and what she was saying.

Listening-device-glasses:
I was thinking through what conan could hear their conversation and remembered that conan had a listening device thingy attached to his glasses, that he has been using to bug the BO through out the serie. Since I couldn't find anything suspicious on okiyas clothes I concluded that the glasses she(yukiko) was wearing had that same thing attached to it.

Bluetooth-like micro-headphone: Since it got confirmed that conan could hear what akai was saying I assumed that was it's purpose.


Akai Shuichi:


This part of the chapter has really thrown me off-guard. How Akai got in the backseat cannot be explained in better way than that he was hiding back there from the start!! And how akai was planning to escape could, roughly speaking, be by blowing up C4, the moment camel makes the turn and passes it, to stop the colleagues from chasing them(which might be why he warned camel to hold the car in control, because of the shockwave that the explosion could create).


Their Plan:


From the looks of this chapter I got the feel that one of their goal was to secure the Okiya Subaru Identity. They made sure to lead amuro away from okiya even to the point where they revealed Akai to amuro's colleagues. Such measures indicated that Akai might return to hiding again with the Okiya disguise. But then one question remains....why did they reveal him being alive??
Looking at it from Amuro's perspective, it will seem like the FBI had played him all along and that they were also involved in the fake death plan...but then one would ask what's in it for them if amuro believed that the FBI had tricked him? That wouldn't save kir at all. That's why I concluded that conan and akai figured out something about Amuro's allegiancy and that they were really confident that akai's revelation wouldn't reach the BO!!


Anuro and the Colleagues:


As we know, it turns out that the people blocking the road(as well as chasing FBi) were the colleagues of Amuro(or so it seems). The biggest mystery revolving Amuro is WHO he really is aligned with, and what his goal is. If he was a spy from an agency, why is he so fixated on an FBI agent? If the reasons were personal, I doubt the colleagues would help him out. One would also ask why he told conan he missunderstood something. If amuro realized that conan was suspecting him to be someone from the PSIA, was he neglecting that theory and saying that he actually was one of the good guys, but from another agency? And if he really was a loyal BO member, why were Conan and Akai sure that Kir wouldn't get hurt from Akai revealing himself? I doubt they were planning to kill all of the colleagues(including Amuro)...

The fact that the Colleagues weren't wearing black suits and any hats is also disturbing(since most of the BO members were wearing black suits and hats). That itself indicates they might not be BO members.


Well, that concludes my thoughts on this matter!! :)
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Aquahorse wrote:User 4869, thanks for the translation! Can I read it without waiting for the ofiicial translation file 896?
yea, it only doesn't translate everything, but it's also a pretty accurate translation! !
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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Aquahorse wrote:MeiTanteixX, thanks! And how soon file 896 will be translated offically, maybe you know? You have said it...
The staff announced that it will be released at least this week! Sunday at latest! ;)
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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Aquahorse wrote:Ok, very good news! I'll wait then))
I admire you for being able to wait, I tried yesterday but gave up today and read the translation! ! x)
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
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Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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@Sani : I'm sorry but I don't read 896 spoilers so I can't know what you're saying. ^^
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Shuuichi's return means getting close for meeting between siblings, wish Shuuichi contacts Masumi to meet him and hugs it out, then introduces his sister to Jodie and Camel.
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I'll go over all Akai three suspect handedness
Spoiler:
894
Okiya in Kudo house
page 15
Watching TV with right hand next to his chin (Amuro do the same when he talk, in the next chapter (895) page 11)
pick up a phone with left hand
Opens door with right hand (The door is awkward to open with left)


895
Okiya in Kudo house
Front page
Thinking posture with left hand (Jodie use her right hand to do the same in this chapter page 10)
page 2
His right hand is still at the door
page 4
Places teakettle on his right hand side
page 5
Legs cross with left one on top
page 8
Okiya looking over his right shoulder to watch tv
Amuro also looking over his right shoulder in file 895 page 2, except he switch to his left shoulder in the next panel for no reason.
page 9
Okiya place spoons on the right side of himself and right side of Amuro (from Amuro POV) (Going by this, Okiya shares handedness with Amuro)

896
Okiya in Kudo house
page 2
Removing the mask with right hand
page 5
carrying the mask with the same hand he use to remove it, right
page 6
the same hand near mouth to conceal it.
Page 9
Okiya redon his mask with right hand
page 11
Okiya has his right hand near his mouth


Yusaku at the ceremony
page 7
wave to the crowd with left hand
page 9
Yusaku now wave to the crowd with right hand


Ninja Akai at the backseat
page 14
Akai looking over his left shoulder to the following cars
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User 4869 wrote:I'll go over all Akai three suspect handedness
Spoiler:
894
Okiya in Kudo house
page 15
Watching TV with right hand next to his chin (Amuro do the same when he talk, in the next chapter (895) page 11)
pick up a phone with left hand
Opens door with right hand (The door is awkward to open with left)


895
Okiya in Kudo house
Front page
Thinking posture with left hand (Jodie use her right hand to do the same in this chapter page 10)
page 2
His right hand is still at the door
page 4
Places teakettle on his right hand side
page 5
Legs cross with left one on top
page 8
Okiya looking over his right shoulder to watch tv
Amuro also looking over his right shoulder in file 895 page 2, except he switch to his left shoulder in the next panel for no reason.
page 9
Okiya place spoons on the right side of himself and right side of Amuro (from Amuro POV) (Going by this, Okiya shares handedness with Amuro)

896
Okiya in Kudo house
page 2
Removing the mask with right hand
page 5
carrying the mask with the same hand he use to remove it, right
page 6
the same hand near mouth to conceal it.
Page 9
Okiya redon his mask with right hand
page 11
Okiya has his right hand near his mouth


Yusaku at the ceremony
page 7
wave to the crowd with left hand
page 9
Yusaku now wave to the crowd with right hand


Ninja Akai at the backseat
page 14
Akai looking over his left shoulder to the following cars
Spoiler:
your point is....? he is left-handed and therefore doesn't fit being okiya?
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Spoiler:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
Image
Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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MeiTanteixX wrote:
User 4869 wrote:I'll go over all Akai three suspect handedness
Spoiler:
894
Okiya in Kudo house
page 15
Watching TV with right hand next to his chin (Amuro do the same when he talk, in the next chapter (895) page 11)
pick up a phone with left hand
Opens door with right hand (The door is awkward to open with left)


895
Okiya in Kudo house
Front page
Thinking posture with left hand (Jodie use her right hand to do the same in this chapter page 10)
page 2
His right hand is still at the door
page 4
Places teakettle on his right hand side
page 5
Legs cross with left one on top
page 8
Okiya looking over his right shoulder to watch tv
Amuro also looking over his right shoulder in file 895 page 2, except he switch to his left shoulder in the next panel for no reason.
page 9
Okiya place spoons on the right side of himself and right side of Amuro (from Amuro POV) (Going by this, Okiya shares handedness with Amuro)

896
Okiya in Kudo house
page 2
Removing the mask with right hand
page 5
carrying the mask with the same hand he use to remove it, right
page 6
the same hand near mouth to conceal it.
Page 9
Okiya redon his mask with right hand
page 11
Okiya has his right hand near his mouth


Yusaku at the ceremony
page 7
wave to the crowd with left hand
page 9
Yusaku now wave to the crowd with right hand


Ninja Akai at the backseat
page 14
Akai looking over his left shoulder to the following cars
Spoiler:
your point is....? he is left-handed and therefore doesn't fit being okiya?
Spoiler:
I don't have any point. And would be appreciate if someone can point out something from that list.
OK, seriously, I try to see if one of them is an imposter, because there should be one.

BTW Did you mean
he is left right-handed and therefore doesn't fit being okiya?
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User 4869 wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:
User 4869 wrote:I'll go over all Akai three suspect handedness
Spoiler:
894
Okiya in Kudo house
page 15
Watching TV with right hand next to his chin (Amuro do the same when he talk, in the next chapter (895) page 11)
pick up a phone with left hand
Opens door with right hand (The door is awkward to open with left)


895
Okiya in Kudo house
Front page
Thinking posture with left hand (Jodie use her right hand to do the same in this chapter page 10)
page 2
His right hand is still at the door
page 4
Places teakettle on his right hand side
page 5
Legs cross with left one on top
page 8
Okiya looking over his right shoulder to watch tv
Amuro also looking over his right shoulder in file 895 page 2, except he switch to his left shoulder in the next panel for no reason.
page 9
Okiya place spoons on the right side of himself and right side of Amuro (from Amuro POV) (Going by this, Okiya shares handedness with Amuro)

896
Okiya in Kudo house
page 2
Removing the mask with right hand
page 5
carrying the mask with the same hand he use to remove it, right
page 6
the same hand near mouth to conceal it.
Page 9
Okiya redon his mask with right hand
page 11
Okiya has his right hand near his mouth


Yusaku at the ceremony
page 7
wave to the crowd with left hand
page 9
Yusaku now wave to the crowd with right hand


Ninja Akai at the backseat
page 14
Akai looking over his left shoulder to the following cars
Spoiler:
your point is....? he is left-handed and therefore doesn't fit being okiya?
Spoiler:
I don't have any point. And would be appreciate if someone can point out something from that list.
OK, seriously, I try to see if one of them is an imposter, because there should be one.

BTW Did you mean
he is left right-handed and therefore doesn't fit being okiya?
you probably didn't read this but here is what I got from just reading the chapter:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
Image
Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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I read it. It part of the reason my head hurt right now (in a good way)
Do you consider the possibility that
Spoiler:
Yusaku, at the ceremony, is Yukiko, using a voice changer (not a transmitter)
Okiya seem to allow Amuro to tear his shirt off. Did he think what if he touch his body. Wound he realize that his chest is not nature skin
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User 4869 wrote:I read it. It part of the reason my head hurt right now (in a good way)
Do you consider the possibility that
Spoiler:
Yusaku, at the ceremony, is Yukiko, using a voice changer (not a transmitter)
Okiya seem to allow Amuro to tear his shirt off. Did he think what if he touch his body. Wound he realize that his chest is not nature skin
I believe akai and conan has already figured out Amuro's mind scheme and knows that he wouldn't do something as silly as stripping okiya's clothes off out of confusion! he does things only when he suspects something, not out of emotions! (Btw, he didn't tear anything, he just checked the neck)

And I don't, as I mentioned before, believe they would disguise yukiko as yuusaku when they can do something simpler as I deduced. Yukiko wouldn't be able to expect what kinds of questions she would get from her surroundings that only yuusaku would know. Yuusaku involving himself in this matter would also contradict what conan said in the beginning of the series.
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
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Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common''
Image
Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman''
Image Image
Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...''
Image
Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself''
Image
Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
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Hi guys. I read chapter 896, you will never predict what will happen in this awesome chapter, I promise ;)
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Akai will appear. I'm so excited for chapter 897
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