Anokata theory: The boss may be...

[Shiromi]

If he were, why would Vermouth be impersonating him?

Exactly, and why did the FBI have to fake his death to save him from a plot to kill him before replacing him?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

The boss chooses the alcoholic codenames for the agents, but does not have one himself/herself. but i think why ? and i also thought anokota is a alchol name

Ano kata is a polite way of saying "that person" in Japanese. Ano is "that" and kata is "person". Kata is rather polite; it would be the English equivalent of saying "gentleman" or "lady". However, kata does not specify a gender. There is no alcohol anywhere in the nickname ano kata.

[usotsuki]

I have used "that person", in emphatic italics, to translate ano kata in some stuff I worked on; I think that's pretty consistent with how most other translators handle it.

[PhantomWriter]

About the theory regarding Minami Takayama being the boss, Shinouray, I'm skeptical of it. Ignoring for a moment the question of why Gosho would make a real life person with a character counterpart the boss, there isn't really any evidence that doesn't also apply to other characters.

Minami Takayama's cases don't have any suspicious elements to it that I could tell. (Perhaps elaborate?) The first is a generic bad guy case and manga canon, where the murderers are trying to cover up their murder because the bells in the song Two Mix had written in-story were actually a clue regarding the case. The second is a case I either don't remember or was in only the anime. Alas, I read the manga most of the time and avoid filler anime episodes.

Yes, Minami was introduced before file 551, which means she could in theory be a suspect regarding Ano Kata, but there isn't any other evidence, so I will remain skeptical of your claim. Positive claims require evidence. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim (in this case, your claim of Minami being Ano Kata).

The information regarding Nanatsu no Ko, the Organization's boss not having an alcohol code name, Agasa being one of the ones clearly ruled out, and so forth are things a lot of the fandom is already aware of, including myself.

[themasq]

There's just not enough evidence to back up ANY theory.

So, I'm just going to throw this random theory out that I think would be a little interesting.

What if the boss was James Black?
No evidence to support this, but I just thought it would be interesting.

Apparently, the boss has appeared ''long ago'' according to Gosho. That's not too specific, though.
It could be practically anyone. Suspects, the innocent, who knows.
I hate to say this but...we're going to have to wait and see.

[PhantomWriter]

There's just not enough evidence to back up ANY theory.

So, I'm just going to throw this random theory out that I think would be a little interesting.

What if the boss was James Black?
No evidence to support this, but I just thought it would be interesting.

Apparently, the boss has appeared ''long ago'' according to Gosho. That's not too specific, though.
It could be practically anyone. Suspects, the innocent, who knows.
I hate to say this but...we're going to have to wait and see.

We will have to wait, though we can narrow it down somewhat until then. That whole thing about Ano Kata appearing at some point, be it appearance or name, was at around file 551, so characters introduced afterward are ruled out if they weren't mentioned before. Add in all the other details and we can start narrowing it down. That will at least give us a smaller list to work with when we do get more information about them, making it less of a headache in the long run.

[Puto]

The boss chooses the alcoholic codenames for the agents, but does not have one himself/herself. but i think why ? and i also thought anokota is a alchol name

Ano kata is a polite way of saying "that person" in Japanese. Ano is "that" and kata is "person". Kata is rather polite; it would be the English equivalent of saying "gentleman" or "lady". However, kata does not specify a gender. There is no alcohol anywhere in the nickname ano kata.

Will add to this that 'ano kata' is the typical way to refer to the boss of any mafia-type organisation in Japanese, at least in fiction. Not something exclusive to Conan.

On that note, I say the boss is Ra's al-Ghul.

[Okiyakaivan]

then could it be tomoko Suzuki who is the mom of sonoko suzuki
' ayako suzuki and wife of shiro suzuki?

[PhantomWriter]

then could it be tomoko Suzuki who is the mom of sonoko suzuki
' ayako suzuki and wife of shiro suzuki?

Again, Shinouray, we don't have evidence for that theory. We can only narrow down who isn't Ano Kata at this time. That still leaves us with a pretty large pool of characters who could be Ano Kata, including Tomoko and Ayako, among other possible characters. For example, all the Organization members with codenames are ruled out because of how Ano Kata has no alcohol codename. Masumi Sera is also not Ano Kata, as she wasn't introduced until a good long while after Gosho said about how Ano Kata had appeared at some point.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

then could it be tomoko Suzuki who is the mom of sonoko suzuki
' ayako suzuki and wife of shiro suzuki?

I somewhat doubt it because Gin didn't care if Jirokichi Suzuki was hurt in the explosion that would have happened if the Bell Tree express arrived at its final destination. Also Sonoko was on board the train.

Again, Shinouray, we don't have evidence for that theory. We can only narrow down who isn't Ano Kata at this time. That still leaves us with a pretty large pool of characters who could be Ano Kata, including Tomoko and Ayako, among other possible characters.

This is right. It's possible to argue if certain characters have personality traits or alibis or whatever that reduce their likelihood of being the boss, but that is pretty much as far as we can go at this point. You could discuss a different character a day for a year and still not run out of characters that Gosho has introduced who could be the boss.

In my personal opinion, I have never seen a single convincing theory that argued a certain person is the boss based on my standards of what constitutes "convincing". It is not a matter of can it be done, but a matter of it is simply not possible to make such a theory at the time. The known characteristics of the boss are too vague and too few.

The most important part of "boss guessing" right now is figuring out what kind of person the boss is rather than who the boss could and could not be. We have plenty of suspects, but not clues. I wish the focus was more on issues like "Elena seemed pretty open about telling people ahead of time she wasn't going to be around anymore (which means the accident line the boss or someone else fed Pisco was total rubbish). If Elena did sacrifice herself to attempt to fulfill the Silver Bullet project as she claimed she was going to in the tape, then what does that imply about the boss's specific goal that it would convince someone like Elena, who does appear to be empathetic and sort of normal, to abandon her family? What is the source of the difference between her opinion and Shiho's who sees the project as something that never should have been done / not useful (38-2)? Why would the boss risk his important researchers then when he held back years later when there was a risk Shiho might defect? Is the fact that Shiho was trained in her role quickly a sign there is some time limit?"

[b8ajenai]

Masumi Sera is also not Ano Kata, as she wasn't introduced until a good long while after Gosho said about how Ano Kata had appeared at some point.

She never casually appeared in the background of some scene in the first 500 or whatever chapters? There were no signs for "Masumi Black Criminal Organization" in any of the street shots?

[CR1181995]

I have always thought it would be rather interesting if it was Sonoko's mom. Her first appearance in the episode where the thief kid steals a gem on a ship, the way she acted, how she pointed her gun at him and shot him... that reminded me so much of the Organization. If she did turn out to be, it would be interesting to see how things take place. Sonoko is Ran's best friend, and Ran and Shinichi are very close, and Shinichi is kind of friends with Sonoko as well. Whats more is that Sonoko's mom has personally met Conan before as well. That would be a cool circle.

[themasq]

Bourbon did get authorization from the boss to disguise as Akai and appear to the ones close to him. Masumi's reaction doesn't imply that she's the boss.

Also, is there a thread for the age of the boss?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Also, is there a thread for the age of the boss?

I looked and didn't see a dedicated thread. There have been scattered discussions.

[MeiTanteixX]

Theories everywhere ^^