Akai (SPOILERS)

[sdf1macross]

We really are talking about the same things over and over, I wish we had more hints so we can expand this topic 

[Rellik]

yeh, i also find that ppl like repeatin wat i say in this topic...

[SkyVenger]

No, they just find lazy to read the past pages so they accidentally repeat what all of us argued about before lol

Anyways, back to topic... ... ...
*sigh* Like I can add anything else, lol. Any new hints or things to discuss about Akai?
READ THE PAST PAGES. We don't want going around in circles here, man

[Pocky]

No, they just find lazy to read the past pages so they accidentally repeat what all of us argued about before lol

Anyways, back to topic... ... ...
*sigh* Like I can add anything else, lol. Any new hints or things to discuss about Akai?
READ THE PAST PAGES. We don't want going around in circles here, man

Mhm.
There's nothing to talk about here on this thread anymore. >.<
Yeah, that's right. We're going around in circles.

Akai's my favourite character, I'd die just to read another file about him. (not litterally)
=)

[Rio Nagava]

Okay... Maybe it will break the circle maybe not...
We asking if Akai is alive or not. But question is Why would Akai faked his death in the first place?
And why, after that he (if Okiya is Akai) suddenly assumed different identity? Why wouldn't he just dissapeared? Why did he meet Kir, if he knew that this is a trap?
Was he were acting just like her father? If he was, that would be waaay off.
And well... How come there was a sudden police arrival?

[Kite]

We asking if Akai is alive or not. But question is Why would Akai faked his death in the first place?

to be alive, don't you think? He still has to take revenge on Gin & co, I wouldn't want to die if I were in his place. This way, he'll be able to move around with a lot more freedom than before. And enemies wouldn't commit suicide from the moment they see him. Akai would be able to obtain a lot more information in disguise.

And why, after that he (if Okiya is Akai) suddenly assumed different identity? Why wouldn't he just dissapeared?

see answer to former question ^^ Besides, Akai isn't the type who runs away. While the rest of the FBI thought about moving Rena to another place when the BO discovered in which hospital she was, Akai was thinking about a way to use Rena as a bait. He wants to battle the BO head on, he doesn't want to run away.

Why did he meet Kir, if he knew that this is a trap?

To save her, otherwise she would've been killed. Or, if you don't like that answer, to make sure he doesn't lose his "information gathering device" aka Kir in the BO. She's important to know what the guys and gals from the BO are up to.

Was he were acting just like her father? If he was, that would be waaay off.

Why would he do that? There's no gain in that ...

And well... How come there was a sudden police arrival?

Maybe Kudou sent them along that road with some made up accident or something else, so they could cover Akai's escape. Kir and her little camera would be forced to get away, the same with Gin and Wodka. Since Camel seemed to have enough time to escape from Kir's bomb when she returned to the BO at the end of the hospital case, Akai should've been able to escape her bomb too.

Oh well, just my two cents. I hope we get to see Okiya again real soon, and that the story progresses a bit faster.

On a different note, I really am suspicious about the fact that Akai never said anything about a possible connection between Kudou and Conan. I mean come on, he heard the phone conversations between Conan and professor Agasa, he even heard Agasa mention Kudou's name, he's living in Shinichi's house (if he is indeed Okiya), as Conan clearly mentioned, and Ran told him all panicky that it was KINICHI's house, your "regular normal average guy". he simply HAS to realize Conan and Kudou are one and the same person, right? He should be investigating how Kudou became so small. To make a connection with the  BO at that time shouldn't be too far-fetched either ... I'd really love to know how much he really knows. What would he be doing now (if he's Okiya :p)?

[Rio Nagava]

Why did he meet Kir, if he knew that this is a trap?

To save her, otherwise she would've been killed. Or, if you don't like that answer, to make sure he doesn't lose his "information gathering device" aka Kir in the BO. She's important to know what the guys and gals from the BO are up to.

Was he were acting just like her father? If he was, that would be waaay off.

Why would he do that? There's no gain in that ...

Oh well, just my two cents. I hope we get to see Okiya again real soon, and that the story progresses a bit faster.

On a different note, I really am suspicious about the fact that Akai never said anything about a possible connection between Kudou and Conan. I mean come on, he heard the phone conversations between Conan and professor Agasa, he even heard Agasa mention Kudou's name, he's living in Shinichi's house (if he is indeed Okiya), as Conan clearly mentioned, and Ran told him all panicky that it was KINICHI's house, your "regular normal average guy". he simply HAS to realize Conan and Kudou are one and the same person, right? He should be investigating how Kudou became so small. To make a connection with the  BO at that time shouldn't be too far-fetched either ... I'd really love to know how much he really knows. What would he be doing now (if he's Okiya :p)?

No... I meant - he let Kir kill himself, to prove that she still loyal to BO?
C'mon the same happend to her father, that means that BO is unaware of her "previous employment"? She killed an agent of (CIA was it?), then Akai (who happend to be quite a fighter)... Was she trained to be a killer or something? She quite lucky i guess...

And why ( IF Akai => Okiya => Bourbon) did he joined BO then? They have Kir... Is that not enough? If not, then what is he trying to do then? Accidently kill Gin maybe? 
"You didn't get rid of Kudou, and didn't found Sherry - Boss sent me to kill you Gin"
Btw dead people don't ride rollercoasters....

Speaking about Kudou = Conan connection....
Maybe Kudou told him about himself. Or Akai figured it out himself.
C'mon Akai saw how Conan used his bowtie, and solved some stuff =)
8yo with deduction skills of grownup... Is that some psyhological disorder or something?
8yo with knowledge about poisons, bombs, interrogation methods, detective work, and being aware of BO... Some suspicious kid don't you think?

Two cents? That is kinda cheap 

[grone4ever89]

Just like sdf1macross said we are talking about the same things over and over.

But I was thinking Conan might have put a microchip in Akai's car somewhere so he can hear what was going on... I mean Conan should know what kind of situation Akai was going to get into right... (sorry if someone else has mentioned this already, I'm too lazy to read all the comments  )

[chitz38]

Alert SPOILER!

On a different note, I really am suspicious about the fact that Akai never said anything about a possible connection between Kudou and Conan. I mean come on, he heard the phone conversations between Conan and professor Agasa, he even heard Agasa mention Kudou's name, he's living in Shinichi's house (if he is indeed Okiya), as Conan clearly mentioned, and Ran told him all panicky that it was KINICHI's house, your "regular normal average guy". he simply HAS to realize Conan and Kudou are one and the same person, right? He should be investigating how Kudou became so small. To make a connection with the  BO at that time shouldn't be too far-fetched either ... I'd really love to know how much he really knows. What would he be doing now (if he's Okiya :p)?

This is based on theory Okiya=Akai.

The answer to this question lies on episode 511 at the very last scene before the preview of the next episode (512). It shows there that while Okiya is drinking bourbon after their deduction showdown, he had a smug face and the picture of Conan and Shinichi was shown on the side, with the image almost pertaining that Okiya finally figured Conan to be Shinichi. I saw it on the raw episode. Check it for yourself. So if Okia is Akai then that last scene is the confirmation that he does know already...

[Rellik]

even though that part was most likely a filler or the animators had a talk with Gosho and already know who Okiya's true identity is.

that most likely points to Okiya being Bourbon than it does to he being Akai doesn't it?

[chitz38]

yeah rellik it can go both ways but key point is who Okia really is but that answer of mine is Kite's "different note" and responding to his akai still doesnt know conan=shinichi and he noted there situations that "akai" should have figured it out already but his situations are okiya's scene and he presumed that akai=okiya so i just answered in that theory too. But it is scary to think if Okiya=Bourbon and he already figured conan out. that will be intense from then on...

[Rellik]

yeh, i suspect we will see Okiya after this case, or the one after that.

[cdgal]

akai's dead. for real. the proof is the hand in his pocket. he had, which i found from a source, a wound mark or some sort of mark on a part of his body, and assume that's on his right hand. thus the action - having his right hand inside his pocket - proves that he is murdered. killed by the BO.

moreover it's impossible to switch bodies within seconds. remember the position the moment he got hit by the bullet? half of his body was inside the car, presumably the driver seat, and another  was outside the car. assuming it was akai that shot in the head, and had missed from the fatal blow, to switch the rikumichi person body to deceive the BO that he's dead is highly unlikely since he, if not dead then was at least wounded from the gun shot. his actions would have limited due to his condition. what's more, to put the rikumichi's corpse into the exactly position he was in the moment he was shot? and within seconds? that takes at least some minutes, not seconds. set seconds for the bomb, but never for akai's condition.

another evidence is the fingerprint analysis on conan/shinichi's cell phone. we know he has 2, one with strap, and one without. conan's is with the strap, and shinichi's is without. (please refer to vol 49, about the Eddie/Eddy-P location) when conan offered to help moving rena's unconscious body to another place, akai took the phone (shinichi's) away but did returned to conan. later, the 'bring my tux' case, he lent his phone (the one akai had touched) to jodie sensei, and she returned it to him the following day, after she learned akai's death. thus, the mobile phone has 3 people's fingerprints on it: akai's, jodie's and shinichi's (conan's). since the database showed the fingerprint was conan's, thus it was conan's to takagi-keiji. and of course, conan knew akai was dead because he checked the difference in the serial number to his mobile phone, but kept silent to the news.

[shadx]

akai's dead. for real. the proof is the hand in his pocket. he had, which i found from a source, a wound mark or some sort of mark on a part of his body, and assume that's on his right hand. thus the action - having his right hand inside his pocket - proves that he is murdered. killed by the BO.

moreover it's impossible to switch bodies within seconds. remember the position the moment he got hit by the bullet? half of his body was inside the car, presumably the driver seat, and another  was outside the car. assuming it was akai that shot in the head, and had missed from the fatal blow, to switch the rikumichi person body to deceive the BO that he's dead is highly unlikely since he, if not dead then was at least wounded from the gun shot. his actions would have limited due to his condition. what's more, to put the rikumichi's corpse into the exactly position he was in the moment he was shot? and within seconds? that takes at least some minutes, not seconds. set seconds for the bomb, but never for akai's condition.

another evidence is the fingerprint analysis on conan/shinichi's cell phone. we know he has 2, one with strap, and one without. conan's is with the strap, and shinichi's is without. (please refer to vol 49, about the Eddie/Eddy-P location) when conan offered to help moving rena's unconscious body to another place, akai took the phone (shinichi's) away but did returned to conan. later, the 'bring my tux' case, he lent his phone (the one akai had touched) to jodie sensei, and she returned it to him the following day, after she learned akai's death. thus, the mobile phone has 3 people's fingerprints on it: akai's, jodie's and shinichi's (conan's). since the database showed the fingerprint was conan's, thus it was conan's to takagi-keiji. and of course, conan knew akai was dead because he checked the difference in the serial number to his mobile phone, but kept silent to the news.

your saying that as if you already know the truth (by reading your post its like your convincing us of what you are saying are the truth), but that's just your opinion, base on what you said, its not enough evidence/proof that akai is dead. And regarding of what you said "conan knew akai was dead because he checked the difference in the serial number to his mobile phone, but kept silent to the news" try watching episode 508, it contradicts with what you said. We will never know what will happen and it will all depend on Gosho.

[ash_arani]

I do not completely agree with cdgal reasoning...

First of all... the positioning of the body.... it is true that hald of his body was inside the car and the other half was not... But when the car is about to explode, the door is closed and "Akai's body" is completely inside...

Another point to notice is that Akai was there before anyone and scanned the area in advance... He found nothing... But when he got shot by Kir... He noticed Gin's car automatically... It is safe to assume the Kir and Gin were at the scen at the same time.. Akai came after Kir... So he must have known about Gin... Also.. I find it very lucky for him to get shot.. turn around... and there's Gin...

If you give someone your phone and then they return it back.. Will you check the serial number? Unless you have to, you would never do so... Which means Conan needed to know if the phone was switched... Which indicates that he knew what was the fate of his original phone (i.e. policy custody)...

Finally... The comment made by Akai.. A man who supposedly has his lund shot and about to die... What does the "Hmpf... To think you came this far to get me..." comment mean? Did he not expect it is a trap... No he knew and made it clear that he needed to save Kir... Did he expect that the BO will let him meet Kir and then leave... Not the Akai we know...

These were the points I found interesting and they clearly shed more light on the fact that Akai knew what he was doing..

And shadx is correct... Unless Gosho reveals the truth... All we can do is speculate...