Unpopular Opinions about the Detective Conan

[usotsuki]

Both "Detective Boys" (used by Aoyama) and "Junior Detective League" (used by Funi and the TMS translators) are attempts to translate "shounen tanteidan". Does anyone know, on a tangent, how the phrase tends to be translated in translations of Rampo Edogawa's works?

For the record, IIRC, the very literal Catalan dub uses the Catalan equivalent of "junior detective league".

[Kleene Onigiri]

Yeah, sure it's because of story. But then every opinion here could be explained with "it's story" (like Haibara being awkward, Eisuke asking Shinichi and every other thing)

Kudos and Eri are not good parents
No, seriously. What the hell D:
Yuusaku and Yukiko left their son alone in Japan and are almost never at home.
Now, Shinichi even ended up in a bad situation, shrank and whatnot. But they are still almost never around?
Even in the flashback about Shinichis and Rans past, Agasa was the one driving them around.
Not to mention they trolled him pretty good the first time they appeared :x "to show him how dangerous the situation is". Yeah, suuure. But what if Shinichi would have done something risky, like jumping out of the window or similar because he was SCARED FOR HIS LIFE?

And Eri... she's barely around for Ran too. Sure, she's almost an adult now. But even in the flashbacks about Ran's past you saw that she had to cook and that they were pretty poor... and even now they would still be poor if Shinichi wouldn't have made Kogoro famous. But Eri is actually a successful lawyer? That would mean she doesn't pay for Ran? :/
Of course, people are separating for various reasons, and that's fine. But Eri left Kogoro because she... doesn't love him? Wait, she does love him (a lot actually). Then, because he did something unforgivable.... wait... nope, wrong again? She left him because he didn't like her cooking and they got into a fight....
Sure, you can get mad, fight and separate for a while even for small reasons.... but Kogoro already apologized and asked her to come back. And Eri... well, yeah. She didn't get back together with him because.... yep, for no good reason at all.

rant rant rant XD

For the kudos, you are PARTLY right and i agree, you should not leave your son alone.

But for the Mouris, i remember Sonoko saying that Ran's mother became a famous lawyer AFTER they separated. Also, they DID survive, did they not??
Also, the cooking part is Movie 2, which is NON-CANON.

Yeah, AFTER. But they separated like, 10 years ago or so (when Ran was ~7?) And there was indicated, not just in flashbacks but even with Ran now (teenager) that she has to buy cheap food and had to buy cheap food before too. Or that Ran couldn't go with Sonoko on a trip because she couldn't afford it etc. So they were poor AFTER the separation.
The cooking part may be non-canon, but that Kogoro apologized and that Eri didn't accept just out of fun, pride or trolling, is canon.
Another status quo situation, which is the most annoying for me I don't mind Ran not knowing Conan's identity as much XD

Kudos and Eri are not good parents

Are you implying that Kogoro is a good parent? Probably the best "parent" in the series is Haibara to Agasa.

No, I didn't imply that. That's you reading info into it that wasn't said XD

But I think Kogoro is a decent parent. Not as bad as people are saying at least. Since he's there for Ran (he could have vanished, getting some cigarets ). Sure he's drinking and stuff. But in critical situations, you can count on him. And he's worried to death when something is happening to Ran.

Edit: Oh yeah, I think Agasa and Haibara are good parents too XD Shinichi is the adventure time uncle :x

[Conan-chandesune]

Kudos and Eri are not good parents
No, seriously. What the hell D:
Yuusaku and Yukiko left their son alone in Japan and are almost never at home.
Now, Shinichi even ended up in a bad situation, shrank and whatnot. But they are still almost never around?
Even in the flashback about Shinichis and Rans past, Agasa was the one driving them around.
Not to mention they trolled him pretty good the first time they appeared :x "to show him how dangerous the situation is". Yeah, suuure. But what if Shinichi would have done something risky, like jumping out of the window or similar because he was SCARED FOR HIS LIFE?

And Eri... she's barely around for Ran too. Sure, she's almost an adult now. But even in the flashbacks about Ran's past you saw that she had to cook and that they were pretty poor... and even now they would still be poor if Shinichi wouldn't have made Kogoro famous. But Eri is actually a successful lawyer? That would mean she doesn't pay for Ran? :/
Of course, people are separating for various reasons, and that's fine. But Eri left Kogoro because she... doesn't love him? Wait, she does love him (a lot actually). Then, because he did something unforgivable.... wait... nope, wrong again? She left him because he didn't like her cooking and they got into a fight....
Sure, you can get mad, fight and separate for a while even for small reasons.... but Kogoro already apologized and asked her to come back. And Eri... well, yeah. She didn't get back together with him because.... yep, for no good reason at all.

rant rant rant XD

For the kudos, you are PARTLY right and i agree, you should not leave your son alone.

But for the Mouris, i remember Sonoko saying that Ran's mother became a famous lawyer AFTER they separated. Also, they DID survive, did they not??
Also, the cooking part is Movie 2, which is NON-CANON.

Yeah, AFTER. But they separated like, 10 years ago or so (when Ran was ~7?) And there was indicated, not just in flashbacks but even with Ran now (teenager) that she has to buy cheap food and had to buy cheap food before too. Or that Ran couldn't go with Sonoko on a trip because she couldn't afford it etc. So they were poor AFTER the separation.
The cooking part may be non-canon, but that Kogoro apologized and that Eri didn't accept just out of fun, pride or trolling, is canon.
Another status quo situation, which is the most annoying for me I don't mind Ran not knowing Conan's identity as much XD

See, money is relative. If i buy cheap food, i am still better off than a poor beggar on the road. Also, the Sonoko trip thingy could have been more than her POCKET money. BTW, Kogorou has enuff money to drown himself in alcohol then money is not a problem. Also, Eri not accepting out of pride is acceptable since , HAVE YOU SEEN KOGOROU??? He is, like, DRUNK AND PERVY ALL THE TIME. So, i kinda do not blame her. Either way, discussion over something like "financial status" in a manga is... y'kno.. meh. Let's get back to character development and more imp. issues.

[Kleene Onigiri]

It's not relative when a small child has to worry about their existence while the other parent is having a blast. A parents job is to take care of their child, which also includes finances. THUS, she's not such a good parent as people are generally saying. (there were polls and other posts, where people wanted Eri and the Kudos as parents)

Also, I'm not saying Eri and the Kudos are bad people or bad characters. They are pretty badass and I like those characters. Still, just because they are badass doesn't make them automatically good parents. This "flaw" also makes them more "human", which is a good thing, right?

Also, Conan-chandesune, this thread is about UNPOPULAR opinions. And I think I kinda shown a good unpopular opinion with your reaction on it

[Conan-chandesune]

It's not relative when a small child has to worry about their existence while the other parent is having a blast. A parents job is to take care of their child, which also includes finances. THUS, she's not such a good parent as people are generally saying. (there were polls and other posts, where people wanted Eri and the Kudos as parents)

Also, I'm not saying Eri and the Kudos are bad people or bad characters. They are pretty badass and I like those characters. Still, just because they are badass doesn't make them automatically good parents. This "flaw" also makes them more "human", which is a good thing, right?

Also, Conan-chandesune, this thread is about UNPOPULAR opinions. And I think I kinda shown a good unpopular opinion with your reaction on it

I facepalmed when i saw your post. Wondering about their existence?? At the start of the series, they were living relatively comfortably dude. And in the 10 million case, when Kogorou effs up financially, Eri asks Ran to come to her side. She is not THE BEST parent BTW, but not a bad one either. (My definition of a bad parent starts when the parent starts hitting the child unnecessarily or worse). Also, Kleene, my opinion is 80% different from the majority so that means your opinion is most probably popular, and my "reaction" was replying, which we do in a forum. I was not aggressive or anything.

[Ringo]

Kudos to Heiji, and to the contributors, for making, and responding to the thread, respectively. (: I agree with almost all opinions here. I cannot actually believe that you consider them as "unpopular". I won't mention anymore those that I didn't accept, since nonacceptance is one of the factors why they were not recognized by many anyway.

As to my unpopular opinion... I can only think of one atm: I do not find Kaito KID fascinating at all. I remembered myself saying "He's too fancy for my taste" when I was still new to DC. Now, that I am relatively not that new anymore, KID appears even lesser likable. This is mostly because I am not a big fan of unrealistic fictions. I can let Agasa's inventions, and Sherry's APTX pass, but not too much disappearance-acts within a short period.

[bluekaitou1412]

Spoiler: @chandasume

You probably should stop antagonizing people whenever they don't agree on what you have to say. Replying in a forum is fine, but there is a better way to do it--start with not saying you "facepalmed" after reading an opinion that makes sense anyway.

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but I think Conan will be better off without tagging Prof. Agasa along in some important cases. He just doesn't help. His inventions do, but I feel like whenever he's there, he'd commit a serious blunder. More like... the fat, bumbling Watson TV used to portray.

[Conan-chandesune]

[quote="bluekaitou1412"]

Spoiler: @chandasume

You probably should stop antagonizing people whenever they don't agree on what you have to say. Replying in a forum is fine, but there is a better way to do it--start with not saying you "facepalmed" after reading an opinion that makes sense anyway.

[/quote="bluekaitou1412"]

Spoiler: @bluekaito1412

Just stating a point ma'am. I was not antagonizing anyone and i never mean to, at least. Again, Just logically stating facts. And i was honest about the facepalm. I DID do it. Not at the opinion, mind you, i respect opinions, but at the presentation and the last line. I did it automatically. Just like i am grinning like an idiot as i type this. Though, i do antagonize a lot of people. I have EXACTLY three friends. I dont know how i do it, i just do.

I just re-watched 345. If Conan had told Agasa or Ai about his suspicions, then there wouldnt be much danger over Haibara. It wasnt like he knew Jodie was an FBI agent, though, again he had his suspicions. It was made quite clear in the Porsche case that he still suspected Jodie.

Spoiler: RecentMangaCase

And this is repeated in the mystery train arc too. Also, in later chapters, wouldnt it be more logical to tell Jodie after she has come so close about Akai's "death", and let her also pretend like Conan himself is doing. In fact, by freaking out in the 850's, he must have attracted even more attention to these remarks from Bourbon.

Then again, i guess the protagonist shouldn't be too perfect.

@OsakaGuy: Obviously, bro, none of us would have them as our parents. :p

[Osaka Detective]

Kudos to Heiji, and to the contributors, for making, and responding to the thread, respectively. (: I agree with almost all opinions here. I cannot actually believe that you consider them as "unpopular". I won't mention anymore those that I didn't accept, since nonacceptance is one of the factors why they were not recognized by many anyway.

As to my unpopular opinion... I can only think of one atm: I do not find Kaito KID fascinating at all. I remembered myself saying "He's too fancy for my taste" when I was still new to DC. Now, that I am relatively not that new anymore, KID appears even lesser likable. This is mostly because I am not a big fan of unrealistic fictions. I can let Agasa's inventions, and Sherry's APTX pass, but not too much disappearance-acts within a short period.

Kudos to Heiji, haha. That line made me smile. As for the unpopular part, I think Chekhov has made supportable but rather unpopular points about Haibara. As for the AOs and parents discussion, I gave a few examples to back up (who was it again) the point made by someone whom I forget. I'm going to cover the parents discussion now.

Anyways, I can't help but agree with your stance on Kaito Kid. He's one of my least favorite characters, mainly because of my dislike of magical shiz. Someone can call me double-standard, but I find it more... annoying whenever he disguises as someone. I have no problem when Vermouth did it, mainly because it's contributing to the plot. I really loved the Takagi disguise and the

Spoiler: Spoilers

Sera Disguise from Blush Mermaid

, as well as the Daito Kid or something? From the snow lodge three-parter.

To further add oil my views on the parents discussion, I think none of the parents make great parents from Detective Conan. Well, maybe Heiji's parents. The point is that, recurring family members are rare in Detective Conan. Eisuke, Kir's brother, got written off within a month after Clash of Red and Black ended. Mitsuiko's Sister and Sonoko's Sister both appeared like a few times, with the former appearing in one of the OVAs and the latter disappearing into nowhere after the Triplet-Country Home Murder Case. Miyano Akemi was the stem to Haibara joining because she died. Almost most of the main cast's parents, Heiji's/Shinichi's/Genta's/Ayumi's/Mitsuhiko's/Ai's had barely any appearances. So Gosho made it sort of clear in a sense that relatives of the 'main characters' are going to hinder the one Gosho wants to develop or appear, so therefore, relatives barely appear at all.

Now, on the Eri/Yukiko/Yuusaku discussion. I think the Kudos and Eri aren't bad parents at all. The reason why the Kudos didn't want to move back to Japan to help Conan fight BO was the fact that their roots are already in America, and besides, it could be dangerous for the both of them due to their son's involvement in the Black Organisation, so staying in America is a better idea (still wondering why the BO didn't bother with the two of them, maybe because Vermouth?) since it's harder for the BO to track them down (Shinichi's 'death' is in Japan, while they're in America). However, I think Yukiko is an arguably better parent than Yuusaku. Yukiko helps out with the plot and occasionally comes back, and has been proven a great help to Conan (disguising Conan as Haibara and some other points that are manga-spoilerish). Yuusaku had four appearances in Japan, one of which was an AO (Conan Kidnapping Case, Training leaving Ueno, Cornered Famous Detective - which he didn't apear until the very end, Beika Garnier - AO) as well as the flashback episode in the Ski Slope Battle. Honestly, son fighting large evil organisation, can't even take a breather to go visit him to see how he's doing?

As for Eri, I can't completely blame her for ditching Kogoro. Kogoro is drunkard, hangs out with young women and non-canonically scolded Eri about her cooking when she was doing it with an injured leg. She had said that (in her introductory case) that the only thing Kogoro gave her was Ran and the overhead throw. Regarding the money thing, I think Eri has been sending money to Kogoro to look after Ran each month since Kogoro has the money to take care of Ran and buy drinks.

Anyways, I'd rather have none of them as my parents to be honest.

[bluekaitou1412]

Kaitou KID is always a treat whenever he appears in DC because I see his chapters as a welcome break from the cases (very trite, recently) especially when there's absolutely no sign of plot-related ones. My fondness for him stemmed from Magic Kaito, though.

Before, KID was the most likely recurring character to kick Conan's arrogant ass (HEIJI WHY CAN'T YOU JUST DO IT?!) so yeah.

[Kleene Onigiri]

It's not relative when a small child has to worry about their existence while the other parent is having a blast. A parents job is to take care of their child, which also includes finances. THUS, she's not such a good parent as people are generally saying. (there were polls and other posts, where people wanted Eri and the Kudos as parents)

Also, I'm not saying Eri and the Kudos are bad people or bad characters. They are pretty badass and I like those characters. Still, just because they are badass doesn't make them automatically good parents. This "flaw" also makes them more "human", which is a good thing, right?

Also, Conan-chandesune, this thread is about UNPOPULAR opinions. And I think I kinda shown a good unpopular opinion with your reaction on it

I facepalmed when i saw your post. Wondering about their existence?? At the start of the series, they were living relatively comfortably dude. And in the 10 million case, when Kogorou effs up financially, Eri asks Ran to come to her side. She is not THE BEST parent BTW, but not a bad one either. (My definition of a bad parent starts when the parent starts hitting the child unnecessarily or worse). Also, Kleene, my opinion is 80% different from the majority so that means your opinion is most probably popular, and my "reaction" was replying, which we do in a forum. I was not aggressive or anything.

I don't know what your problem is. Maybe if you wouldn't facepalm and don't cover your eyes you would have read my "title" as "Kudos and Eri are not good parents"
It means they are "not good" but doesn't say they are "bad".
It actually means exactly what you wrote yourself just now: "She is not THE BEST parent BTW, but not a bad one either." (quote)
So why are you trying to dismiss my posts? :p

It would be nice if people would actually read what was written and not imagine something into it additionally.

Maybe people wouldn't think you're aggressively responding to someone if you wouldn't use "dude" or "facepalm" or if you wouldn't suggest to "talk about something more important".
"It's not important for character development", really?
You can explain Shinichi's arrogance a bit. The Kudos left him to himself most of the time in order to make him independent. (during the sky trip case, Yuusaku also didn't interfere much in the case so Shinichi can solve it himself) That's not bad. But in Shinichi's case, that turned him arrogant, egoistical and he also doesn't like to ask for help.

For Ran, Eri not returning made her a "waiting" person. She's still waiting for Eri to return to them and also tries to couple up her parents again too. So it's not strange that she would wait for Shinichi either.
Kogoro is a drunkard and kinda selfish. So Ran accepting Shinichi's selfishness isn't strange.

My point: it is important for character development and why the characters are how they are.


Edit: Oh yeah, another thing the Kudos did - they where visiting London without Shinichi or even telling him, although they know that Shinichi is fangirling Sherlock Holmes :x

[Osaka Detective]

Kaitou KID is always a treat whenever he appears in DC because I see his chapters as a welcome break from the cases (very trite, recently) especially when there's absolutely no sign of plot-related ones. My fondness for him stemmed from Magic Kaito, though.

Before, KID was the most likely recurring character to kick Conan's arrogant ass (HEIJI WHY CAN'T YOU JUST DO IT?!) so yeah.

Didn't Conan always managed to beat him one way or another? I'm pretty sure Conan is as perfect as a character can get (and pretty arrogant too).

[Kor]

@Conan-chandesune, please knock it off with that attitude. It doesn't help the discussion and you're being highly disrespectful. You claim that you're not trying to be antagonistic, but it does come that way through your posts.

Starting a post with "I facepalmed when i saw your post." is not the way to discuss. Perhaps you did facepalm when you saw Kleene's post, but you don't need to add that to your post. First because it sounds disrespectful, and second because it's unnecessary for the discussion.
Posting whatever comes to your head with disregard to how people might take it often leads to bad situations.

[Conan-chandesune]

How about we have a logical discussion here?
"It's not relative when a small child has to worry about their existence while the other parent is having a blast. A parents job is to take care of their child, which also includes finances. " - We , at this point, DO NOT KNOW about the much about the Mouris' financial status and when the series starts, Kogorou has just enough wealth to drink himself away and they are shown to be comfortable, financially, if not content with their lives. Also, we DO NOT KNOW if Eri is having a blast. She is shown to be financially sated and i am pretty sure she would lend the money to them if needed (Further proof - In Episode 333, a MANGA-BASED episode, Eri is willing to GIVE millions to them unconditionally). Also, "worry about their existence" seems kinda melodramatic.

"And Eri... well, yeah. She didn't get back together with him because.... yep, for no good reason at all."

We DO NOT KNOW canonically what happened that caused them to separate, hence we cannot decide the extent of the fight/emotional trauma involved. Depending upon that reason, will change the amount of time needed for a Eri to forgive him. We are in the dark and hence, cannot comment upon it as of the data provided. Further proof - She says in Episode 200 that "I cannot forgive you just because of an apology". meaning it could be something big.

"Maybe if you wouldn't facepalm and don't cover your eyes you would have read my "title" as "Kudos and Eri are not good parents"
It means they are "not good" but doesn't say they are "bad".
It actually means exactly what you wrote yourself just now: "She is not THE BEST parent BTW, but not a bad one either." (quote)
So why are you trying to dismiss my posts? :p"
A few of your points were right, but i was only commenting on the factual errors as said elucidated above.

"Maybe people wouldn't think you're aggressively responding to someone if you wouldn't use "dude" or "facepalm" - The "Bro" and "Dude" i have been using recently is cuz i read Hawkeye Vol.1 this very morning and it was an inside joke. Read it and you will understand. Also, the facepalm part WAS true, but it was a bad move on my part. Kor is right. Warui.

"If you wouldn't suggest to "talk about something more important".
"It's not important for character development", really?
You can explain Shinichi's arrogance a bit. The Kudos left him to himself most of the time in order to make him independent. (during the sky trip case, Yuusaku also didn't interfere much in the case so Shinichi can solve it himself) That's not bad. But in Shinichi's case, that turned him arrogant, egoistical and he also doesn't like to ask for help.

For Ran, Eri not returning made her a "waiting" person. She's still waiting for Eri to return to them and also tries to couple up her parents again too. So it's not strange that she would wait for Shinichi either.
Kogoro is a drunkard and kinda selfish. So Ran accepting Shinichi's selfishness isn't strange."

My point: it is important for character development and why the characters are how they are.

Nice points. I agree with them. Also, all different from the financial points and Non-canon which i pointed to you as your illogic. I already said i did agree with the Shinichi part and that Eri isnt perfect.

Spoiler: Reply before seeing this

It's nice to see how each and every post i make in a serious thread ends up about my attitude problem. Just Great. I am going out with and will be back in 5 hours or so and i already see people replying to this and telling me indirectly how wrong i am to defend myself. If the past few weeks have proven anything, it's that i may have overstayed my welcome here too. Thanks for the fun year.

[kkslider5552000]

I was about to post my approval of how this thread had avoided unnecessary drama for having unpopular opinions.

feel ashamed, all of you.