Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

i cant stand it anymore....there is a typo in the title

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Later edit: Something serious this time: another reason why Okiya is unlikely to be Bourbon!
Even if Okiya was Bourbon, he was unlikely to be the one who reported Akai was in the dept store because the B.O. were already in place by that point in time. That said, if Okiya were Bourbon, then he did not try to help out by calling them and giving them information about which exit Akai was going to use. Chianti clearly didn't know which exit scar Akai would leave through, hence her surprise and glee when scar Akai came out the main one. That means that Okiya, despite knowing who was staking out below, chose not to contact the Org. members. One could make the argument that Bourbon is determined to be the one to kill his hated enemy himself as Gin did say that Bourbon believed no one could kill Akai but him, but would Bourbon go so far though as to sabotage his comrades' plans by withholding information?
Finally, Okiya knew the purpose of Conan's plan involving the gift certificates was to distract the sniper and make it difficult to target someone. (704 pgs 14-15)
Okiya: I see... a gift certificate...
Conan: eh?
Okiya: I'm not sure if this was the smartest method, but ... seems that the customer's criticism will be even higher now.
If Okiya were Bourbon, he would strongly suspect Conan was trying to prevent Akai from being shot. Yet Okiya takes no action regarding Conan, who might be responsible for allowing Akai's escape. If Okiya were Bourbon then Conan and all his acquaintances are entirely at Bourbon's mercy. Even if Bourbon was waiting to make his move, Conan sure wouldn't be, yet Conan has done nothing to protect anyone around him more than he has already. Conan clearly doesn't regard Okiya as a threat. I doubt Conan thinks Okiya is an unrelated third party as Haibara's "senses" went off and Okiya made a reference to "a pack of wolves missing their easy prey." The only explanation that makes sense is if Okiya is an ally and Conan knows it. Of course I believe that Akai is the one, but it could be Yuusaku or a friendly third party as well.

[Davit08]

what's the likely hood that okiya is an FBI agent? and a real close friend to akai? maybe why it show's similarities?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

What's the likelihood that Okiya is an FBI agent and a real close friend of Akai? Maybe that would explain the similarities?

It is possible Okiya is not Akai, but an FBI colleague of his instead; however, Okiya and Akai are so similar that I have a hard time imagining they aren't the same person. Okiya is left handed and, except for the fox eyes and the straight hair, looks and acts rather like Akai Shuuichi down to dressing similarly and keeping his hands in his pockets. He even uses similar expressions. Also, there is the matter of Haibara's Black Org. sense getting triggered to consider. Akai bothered her because he was in the Organization as a double agent. On the other hand, none of the other FBI agents and murderers of the week seem to pressure Haibara. Does Haibara's sense only trigger around Syndicate members? If it isn't specific then it is possible that Okiya is just a scary, intense person, but if it only works for Org. members then it is hard to imagine another double agent exists who is like Akai Shuuichi in every way except for superficial details.

[wendyqren]

i really do thing akai = okiya...and it's just very stupid of conan to let someone that haibara thought to be a member of BO in his house unless he's very sure that the guy was not bad. and saying that okiya is a big fan of sherlock holmes wouldn't make conan let his guard down as well...remember the sherlock holmes club killing case? also, he told detective takagi to not think that someone that you know is innocent because holmes said so. so do you really think conan will let such a suspicious guy live in his house just because that guy said he's a big fan of sherlock holmes?

[ma_ki]

Well, I also think like many people that Conan absolutely won't let suspicious guy into his house.
The thing he said 'a fan of sherlock holmes don't have bad people' is just a lie for Haibara.

I also think Okiya is Akai!! BUT!!! for the fact that many people and me believe that Okiya is Akai is the reason why I doubt about it because Gosho-sensei always betray us!!!!

so, I will just wait for the answer ^^"

[camel.d]

okiya is another cia agent ! and not a bo member because conan says he is a good guy !

[Akonyl]

I would think it'd be pretty funny if they just went the totally absurd path of Okiya being some crazy genre-breaker character.

Like a wizard. With no explanation.

[Abs.]

Okiya is Akako!?!??!?!

[scineram]

He is plotting to take down Conan, so he cannot chase Kid, so she can chase him.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

He is plotting to take down Conan, so he cannot chase Kid, so she can chase him.

Maybe Akako is upset she can't have Kuroba, so she has decided to settle for his lookalike and thus is helping Conan get his teen body back. She has decided to dress as a man to seduce Ran as Okiya and make her forget about Shinichi which raises Akako's chances of relationship success... ... ... ... . . . something like that.

[mangaluva]

No, secretly she wants Conan because he looks so much like Kaito. Someday she's going to pop up out of nowhere again, pull off the disguise and tell Conan that she'll turn him back into Shinichi if he swears to be her love-slave forever.

[Nyarl]

You know, I have a nagging suspicion that we're falling for a reverse “red herringâ€

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I also have a lingering suspicion that we're reading too much into Shuichi's handedness, and are overlooking a key hint.

I know sniper training weighs eye dominance over hand dominance, and that many people are cross dominant (ie, their dominant eye is opposite their dominant hand). Shuichi has been shown to use his right hand, like when he grabbed Conan's cell phone or opened the door to Kir's room before they confronted Eisuke. There's also that odd scene where he dropped the can of coffee. Why open the can one handed in the first place? Just to show off, or was it to practice to improve the coordination of his weak hand? With a hand gun he could shoot right handed and use his left eye.

In FBI vs. the Org when Akai snipes at Gin, he has his left eye to the scope and is holding the rifle the left handed way. This would indicate he is probably left eye, left hand dominant.

I'll note all times Akai uses his hands. You may compare them to the actions of known left handed and right handed characters and I'll leave the determination up to you.

EDIT: BETTER LIST HERE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT SITUATIONS WHERE AKAI MUST USE A CERTAIN HAND

287 - coughs into left hand
289 - about to take out bus jacker with left hand
289 - uses radio with right hand
327 - uses car lighter with right hand - not unexpected since he is the driver and using the left would requiring crossing over his body
337 - lights cigarette with match with left hand and hold cigarette left handed
354 - handgun in left waist high pocket - it is set for left handed draw
354 - grabs Ran's elbow with right hand - although he is possibly still holding gun in left
379 - Opens telephone booth with right hand
383 - Earbud in left ear
419 - Holding cellphone with left hand while steering with right.
420 - Fiddling with teli in car with right hand - not unexpected since he is the driver and using the left would requiring crossing over his body
422 - holding bug tap radio to ear with left hand
422 - Earbud in left ear.
434 - Left hand on trigger, right on pump
434 - puts gun over left shoulder while keeping finger on the trigger. (right hand in pocket)
434 - pumps gun in flashy way using only left hand
434 - holds gun in left and aims left handed only (right in pocket)
502 - holding phone to ear with left hand
504 - using left eye to look through scope and left handed style for rifle handling
504 - right hand to open door (right handed sort of door btw))
596 - left hand for phone, right for binocs
596 - left for phone right to open door
596 - hangs up phone with left hand
596 - right to open door
598 - left for phone right on the handle
599 - left to pull back curtain
599 - left hand to flip through text message and close phone
599 - right to open door
600 - left to pull out can of coffee and open it one handed
600 - picks up coffee with left hand
601 - left hand to pull out flowers and remove bomb, right to stabilize flower pot
601 - let hand to hold bomb
601 - right to remove apple from basket, left to pick up bomb
601 - left to pick up box
602 - right hand to take phone from Conan - may be intentional for fingerprint on cellphone trick
603 - left to hold and hang up cellphone
607 - left to answer phone and hang up phone
608 - left hand to grab James' wrist (would have been awkward for right hand to do since he is in his car)
609 - right hand to hold cell phone and click buttons
609 - left to grab shot location right hand in pocket

[Nyarl]

I also have a lingering suspicion that we're reading too much into Shuichi's handedness, and are overlooking a key hint.

I know sniper training weighs eye dominance over hand dominance, and that many people are cross dominant (ie, their dominant eye is opposite their dominant hand). Shuichi has been shown to use his right hand, like when he grabbed Conan's cell phone or opened the door to Kir's room before they confronted Eisuke. There's also that odd scene where he dropped the can of coffee. Why open the can one handed in the first place? Just to show off, or was it to practice to improve the coordination of his weak hand? With a hand gun he could shoot right handed and use his left eye.

In FBI vs. the Org when Akai snipes at Gin, he has his left eye to the scope and is holding the rifle the left handed way. This would indicate he is probably left eye, left hand dominant.

The previously referenced article recommends the use of long-arms on the off-hand side if one is cross dominant. So, all we could really be sure of is that he's left eye dominant. (Some anecdotes on gun forums about cross dominant long-arm shooters being steadier shots, too, since their dominant hand is stabilizing the weapon.)

I'll note all times Akai uses his hands. You may compare them to the actions of known left handed and right handed characters and I'll leave the determination up to you.

419 - Holding cellphone with left hand while steering with right.
599 - left hand to flip through text message and close phone
609 - right hand to hold cell phone and click buttons

It looks like he is ambidextrous. By training, if I'm right about the meaning of the coffee can scene.

However, is the manga implying a right eyed shot in the Bank Robbery case? We don't see scar!Akai as he shoots, but we do see his right eye emphasized when it shows him just after the shot...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

419 - Holding cellphone with left hand while steering with right.
599 - left hand to flip through text message and close phone
609 - right hand to hold cell phone and click buttons

It looks like he is ambidextrous. By training, if I'm right about the meaning of the coffee can scene.

There is a problem with two of those examples being used to prove that Akai is ambidextrous. With the last one, it was necessary for Gosho to show that scene to provide a plausible excuse about how Akai's right hand fingerprints could be on a cell phone. It's a one off thing.

The car example is a doesn't hold water either because known left handed people like Gin hold the phone in their left hand while they drive with their right. check 177 and 434.