Akai (SPOILERS)

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Is Akai really died?

Yes
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No
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Adding to your guys' theories, here's another one that will prove that he is most likely alive.

Note his head position and the blood under his mouth:
http://img42.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 609/04.jpg
Now look at his head position and how it has turned, and how the blood under his mouth is gone: http://img42.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 609/05.jpg

This means that he has escaped when they were distracted by the police.

As for the blood. He may have had a bullet proof hat and a blood pack in it, prepared to fake his death.
in his pocket, was a blood pack trigger. Triggered the blood pack.

(: I do not think that Gosho would use so much episodes just to introduce him, then let him die so easily.

Same as the others, I would also want him to be alive, to save Conan in the end :D
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and i explained it is not possible to switch bodies from the moments he got shot to the moment Rena placed the bomb (would be a matter of at most 5 seconds?), and also with the camera still facing Akai it makes it less likely.
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  I think that at this pont it's a 40/60 chance.
  As pocky showed us those pictures I notice that it never actually showed Akai's face after getting shot, in the second page when planting the bomb.  Gosho usually shows the face after a death no matter how grotesque it might be.  Then again that might just be coincidence.  And then again as many pointed out it could be a Holmes copy with Raiha Falls.
  Against all that he might be dead, like Vermouth said that BO doesn't need two silver bullets.  Also when a strong, popular character, that can do the main character's job, comes along in stories; the suitable thing to do is kill them off or write them off (the exeption being rivals).  And the whole Conan's reaction might just be another ploy to fool the adults that he knows nothing.
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Yeah, but Conan knows something so he made some sort of reactions to himself. And I believe that since the existence of Conan/Shinichi as BO's rival, Akai's "Silver Bullet" title would be stripped off from him. That's why even if he's alive, he isn't the "Silver Bullet" anymore.
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  I see what you're saying Yume, but I just can't seem to buy it.  No matter where Akai is he's going to want to bring BO down, even if it's just from the side lines.  If he is alive, I just can't see him as a person who would stand on the side lines.  If that was the case then he would have to be Okiya, for obivious reasons.  But only time will tell....
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Pocky wrote: Adding to your guys' theories, here's another one that will prove that he is most likely alive.

Note his head position and the blood under his mouth:
http://img42.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 609/04.jpg
Now look at his head position and how it has turned, and how the blood under his mouth is gone: http://img42.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 609/05.jpg

This means that he has escaped when they were distracted by the police.

As for the blood. He may have had a bullet proof hat and a blood pack in it, prepared to fake his death.
in his pocket, was a blood pack trigger. Triggered the blood pack.

(: I do not think that Gosho would use so much episodes just to introduce him, then let him die so easily.

Same as the others, I would also want him to be alive, to save Conan in the end :D
Anyone can explain what happened eith the head position and the blood under his mouth? :P

Oh and Chubs, That's right. In the fire, his face never showed. Also, after the death.
+ we never saw his eyes after gin and rena looked at the police car. Which means it could be akai or not.
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i dunno, but body switching isn't an option.

maybe Rena did it to honor him and wiped the blood? with the camera still pointing at Akai, if he was alive he can't move his head, that's stupid, so the only way it could be done is by some1 else.
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Rellik wrote: i dunno, but body switching isn't an option.

maybe Rena did it to honor him and wiped the blood? with the camera still pointing at Akai, if he was alive he can't move his head, that's stupid, so the only way it could be done is by some1 else.
Take a look at all the other points people mentioned earlier.
It could be possible that he is alive.

I don't think Rena wiped it. She never touched the body before she placed the bomb, which was when the police car was coming. If she did touch the body, Gin would have suspicions.
Who would waste another 7 seconds wiping the blood and turning the head when there was a chance that she could be caught and sent to jail for a long time. The police car was coming, so she had to quickly put the bomb in and pretend to be driving by.
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so ur agreeing that switching bodies would be impossible?
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Even if the timer had more time, it's still pointless to wipe the blood and turn the head of the victim (Why'd she do that? To fool the "readers"? :P lol) And the time is not fully confirmed and agreed upon (up to now) so body changing is not yet for certain (though it is possible if the anime time [30 sec] was true)

And, don't you think it's weird for Kir to leave evidence like that? If it was real BO business, she'd push all of Akai's body in the car and place the bomb, then BOOM --- without leaving evidence. There is a possibility that she didn't do that because of the "body switch" plan and for the "body investigation" plan (fingerprints) to succeed and fool the FBI that Akai is really dead.
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why waste time on that? the fire would hav already wiped out any possible evidence.
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maybe Rena did it to honor him and wiped the blood?
No way. If it was to Honor him, then Gin would know that they had some kind of connection. Either they talked at the hospital, thought of a plan, saved her, or something else.
yume_no_meitantei wrote: And, don't you think it's weird for Kir to leave evidence like that? If it was real BO business, she'd push all of Akai's body in the car and place the bomb, then BOOM --- without leaving evidence. There is a possibility that she didn't do that because of the "body switch" plan and for the "body investigation" plan (fingerprints) to succeed and fool the FBI that Akai is really dead.
Exactly! I think that Kir's in on his plan. (:
I also find something weird.
Kir knows that Gin's going to force her to kill Akai and won't allow any exceptions, So why'd she ask, "If I leave him here like this, he'll die anyway." or something like that. It could be a way to distract Gin or waste sometime for their plan? 

I'm going to spend some time finding evidence that Akai is alive! HAHA :]
Please take a look at their shoulders. In the first page, his shoulder shows that the arm is bent.
But after Kir turned to look at the police car, his shoulder shows that his arm is straight.

*goes off to find more odd things*
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i presume this is after he was shot in the lungs, in the manga it showed nothin of that so....
Pocky wrote:
I'm going to spend some time finding evidence that Akai is alive! HAHA :]
Please take a look at their shoulders. In the first page, his shoulder shows that the arm is bent.
But after Kir turned to look at the police car, his shoulder shows that his arm is straight.
if u look closely it only showed the part of the shoulder, which in both panels are str8 and is the part where the clothin is sticking with the body.

is evryone tryin to get past my theory or somethin? i clearly shown body switching isn't possible and yet you ppl still go on about body switchin, if that is the only thing u can think of then the chances of Akai being dead is even more likely.

the honoring him thing was only a guess, but it definitely had to be done by some1 else, or is a mistake by Gosho.
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Pocky wrote: ...
Now look at his head position and how it has turned, and how the blood under his mouth is gone: http://img42.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 609/05.jpg

This means that he has escaped when they were distracted by the police.
...
Also notice that Kir's camera wasn't pointed towards Shuuichi when she starts activating the bomb. She's looking at Gin's car over the front of the truck, not through the inside of the truck.
Rellik wrote: ...

maybe Rena did it to honor him and wiped the blood? with the camera still pointing at Akai, if he was alive he can't move his head, that's stupid, so the only way it could be done is by some1 else.
Perhaps Kir was told to turn the corpse's head and clean its face to take a good picture so "that person" can be sure it's Shuuichi. In any case, something happens between panels.
chubs191 wrote: ...

the whole Conan's reaction might just be another ploy to fool the adults that he knows nothing.
The smirk Conan gave Eisuke was not feigning ignorance. Eisuke knows he's worked with the FBI, faking not caring about one of their deaths would be pointless. It wouldn't be for the benefit of someone who might be spying on Eisuke, because Conan wouldn't have blabbed the really big secret about being Shin'ichi if he thought Eisuke were being watched by the Org.

Another strange thing... Why did Conan try to call Agasa and ask for help covertly moving Kir given that he was in on the plan to return her to the Org.? That seems a bit superfluous to fool the FBI and any spies. It seems more likely it was staged to show the FBI where to find a sample of Shuuichi's fingerprints, especially given the fact that the cadaver's hand was somehow protected from the fire after the explosion.

It's very unlikely that there wasn't a plan to fake Shuuichi's death, given all that evidence.

But… It's still possible that Kir couldn't do everything she needed to do to prepare before the Org. acted and was forced to kill Shuuichi, despite the plan… Which brings up my (completely wild at this point) "13th bullet clue about the 13th movie is relevant to the canon Org. plot" theory...

Kir was expected to use blanks when she "shot" Shuuichi, then swap a clip with live rounds back into the gun Gin gave her. The live round clip would need to be prepared by shooting off at least one round from it and dumping a second round, as they anticipated Gin would order a coup de grace head shot, and needed to leave chemical traces on the clip to show bullets from it were actually fired.

However, the Org. moved so quickly and monitored her so closely that she didn't have time to prepare the clip, she only managed to dump one round, leaving one too many bullets in the originally 12 round clip when she supposedly fired two shots. That extra shot is the "13th bullet", and Gin can count to 13... 

This would explain Kir's attempts to stall at first, then later argue that the head shot was unnecessary, and perhaps her thoughts as she planted the bomb, even though Conan and Shuuichi had it all planned out for her. (::sigh:: But movie 13 won't be canon, as usual. Even so, now I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Kir somehow couldn't fully complete some part of the plan before the Org ordered her to kill Shuuichi...)

Edit: plural agreement
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