Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[fredinalnumber]

So now we know that the special quest that Yukiko mentioned during her conversation with Vermouth is Kid, huh? I thought she meant Akai.

Anyway, I also feel that this BO case is probably the most anticlimactic one. We've gotten used to the disguises. There was only one explosion. No one was even slightly injured (except maybe Kid). However, mostly this is because this is the only BO case in which Conan has planned everything in advance and succeeded. So we don't feel as much suspense as in the previous BO cases in which many unpredictable things occur and Conan could only play by ear.

I just have a few concerns. I think Kid's involvement is way too convenient. There was no way Conan would guarantee that Kid would definitely be on that train, that Conan could find him in time, and that Kid would be able and willing to help Conan with his plan without being given any explanation. Remember that Kid is being asked to disguise as someone whose face he has only seen in a photo and whose voice he has only heard through the earphone. Of course, it's very likely that Kid would be on the train and Yukiko can help him with the disguise if necessary. But the timing is crucial. Conan would have to get Kid to cooperate and prepare for the impromptu disguise before BO's "fire". Who knew when exactly that would happen? While the chances of these things happening aren't exactly low, Conan is surely not the type to leave things to chances for such an important plan. I really hope I'm wrong here. I hope someone can explain to me that Conan wasn't just lucky this time.

One more thing. Akai's appearance seems extremely unnecessary, in my opinion. He has spent so much effort to fake his death and to make sure that everyone thinks he's dead. And as Bourbon had said on the latest file, he was convinced that Akai was really dead after seeing people's reactions when Scar Akai appeared, despite the initial suspicions that he had. Since Bourbon is the one who hates Akai the most, probably the only one who doubts Akai's death, and the only BO member we know investigating Akai's death, by extension, BO also believes that Akai is really dead if they haven't already.

Then why would Akai just ruin everything he has done by appearing at the last minute in front of Bourbon, which I believe is the only reason why Bourbon decides to reopen the case?I just don't see why Akai would go into so much trouble hiding himself from Bourbon and then shows himself in front of Bourbon when he's no longer looking for him. If this is meant to be a bait for Bourbon, then why now?

[fredinalnumber]

Hey, you all wait there!

There is an important point: Conan has been shown on the newspaper alongside KID, this mean that, if Vermouth open her mouth about KID's involvment, Conan and co will be inmediatly exposed.

This means Vermouth can't tell the thruth about what happened. Now the question is: How will Vermouth explain to Gin and Anokata how Sherry is not dead?

She doesn't have to tell the truth. Bourbon believes he saw her killed in the explosion. Vermouth was only relaying the news to Gin. Gin may have doubted Vermouth, but they wouldn't doubt Bourbon's account. As long as Vermouth is still the only BO member who knows that Haibara = Sherry, Sherry is now safe as she's now dead on BO's file.

Remember that Vermouth wants to protect Haibara and only cooperated in this plan because Sherry was found out by Bourbon, and avoiding to cooperate would reflect badly on her loyalty to the BO even for Anokata's favourite. So she has no reason to reveal that Sherry is alive. She also wouldn't reveal Kid's involvement. I don't see any reason why she should or would. From the BO's perspective, the plan worked out perfectly (besides the train not going to Nagoya like Gin wanted it to).

On a separate note, as Kid was disguising as the old lady's helper, that person would now be missing, right? Wouldn't that raise suspicions? Hmmm...

[User 4869]

Jii (the old lady) also back to his original self. That's mean the lady and the maid are vanished.

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

I thought Gosho said he would not mix together DC and MK plots.

Also, KID eventually joining Shinichi's team wouldn't be unprecedented. Arsene' Lupin, the French foil of Holmes, became a sort of detective toward the end of the series by Maurice Leblanc. Plus KID had to relate the dialogue to Bourbon, so he had to have learned something about what's going on.

[kaitokid41]

i was right! KID was the special guest. HAHA! COOL!

[El Huesudo II]

Anyway, I also feel that this BO case is probably the most anticlimactic one. We've gotten used to the disguises. There was only one explosion. No one was even slightly injured (except maybe Kid). However, mostly this is because this is the only BO case in which Conan has planned everything in advance and succeeded. So we don't feel as much suspense as in the previous BO cases in which many unpredictable things occur and Conan could only play by ear.

I just have a few concerns. I think Kid's involvement is way too convenient. There was no way Conan would guarantee that Kid would definitely be on that train, that Conan could find him in time, and that Kid would be able and willing to help Conan with his plan without being given any explanation. Remember that Kid is being asked to disguise as someone whose face he has only seen in a photo and whose voice he has only heard through the earphone. Of course, it's very likely that Kid would be on the train and Yukiko can help him with the disguise if necessary. But the timing is crucial. Conan would have to get Kid to cooperate and prepare for the impromptu disguise before BO's "fire". Who knew when exactly that would happen? While the chances of these things happening aren't exactly low, Conan is surely not the type to leave things to chances for such an important plan. I really hope I'm wrong here. I hope someone can explain to me that Conan wasn't just lucky this time.

One more thing. Akai's appearance seems extremely unnecessary, in my opinion. He has spent so much effort to fake his death and to make sure that everyone thinks he's dead. And as Bourbon had said on the latest file, he was convinced that Akai was really dead after seeing people's reactions when Scar Akai appeared, despite the initial suspicions that he had. Since Bourbon is the one who hates Akai the most, probably the only one who doubts Akai's death, and the only BO member we know investigating Akai's death, by extension, BO also believes that Akai is really dead if they haven't already.

Then why would Akai just ruin everything he has done by appearing at the last minute in front of Bourbon, which I believe is the only reason why Bourbon decides to reopen the case?I just don't see why Akai would go into so much trouble hiding himself from Bourbon and then shows himself in front of Bourbon when he's no longer looking for him. If this is meant to be a bait for Bourbon, then why now?

This is the only BO case where Conan has had the advantage, both in planning as well as in the element of surprise.

This is the only BO case, that I recall, where Conan got wind about the BO's intentions beforehand (bless you Akai and your 1337 h4XX0r skillz) and had enough time to be prepared. Crazy prepared. Add to that the fact that Conan and Haibara are unknown to the BO, except for Vermouth, whose lips are sealed. This would mean that Vermouth's accomplice would be relying on incomplete information. Conan's side has the upper hand.

As for Kid, it was pretty obvious that he'd be around. Jirokichi announces his plans far and wide through the media, Kid was surely well informed about the train stunt. All that was left was to find him, and that was easy. Convincing him of helping would also be easy, because Kid is pretty predictable himself.

Also: Conan has always said his plans and deductions are a gamble. That's where he differs from that man, Conan is ballsy and daring, while that man is neurotic and overly cautious.

As for Akai, I can think of 2 possibilities. By taunting him with the image of his rival, there's a chance they can get rid of him for awhile as he investigates Akai's "death", thus getting him away from the Mouri Det. Agency. And the other possibility: personal issues. Bourbon hates Akai, who's to say it doesn't apply the other way around? Maybe Akai taunted Bourbon so as to say "Hey, I'm here. Catch me if you can... if you dare. As you see, I'm not at all easy to kill".

And, IMO, Akai's supposed death wasn't a cover meant to last. Sooner or later he'd be found out anyway, so it's better if he takes full control of the cover-blowing, doing it on his own terms and timing (and purpose!), instead of having his cover blown by someone else and not be in control of the situation.

[Fennec]

Actually, I think it felt anticlimatic to us because we were spoiled by Chek. There were several major reveals: Bourbon's identity, Subaru is Akai (he even wears the same clothes when he appears without the "Subaru" persona), and Sera is Akai's sister. We already figured most of that stuff out, though, which made it seem less exciting. Personally, though, I found it exciting simply to see it officially confirmed that Akai is definitely Okiya.

On the note of Kid's involvement, I think it honestly wasn't planned until Conan realized he was there. Most likely, they were planning to go with the plan Vermouth originally deduced. When Conan realized Kid was there, it provided an opportunity for an even more foolproof plan and did some major improvisations. He told Yukiko to hide the mask/wig somewhere else so Vermouth wouldn't find it, and then blackmailed Kid into helping him. The start of the new plan would be when Yukiko passed Sharon as Scar Akai and whispered to her. This would be the bait to make Vermouth investigate and figure out the original plan. With this, she'd naturally search for the components of the disguise and throw them out, at which point Yukiko would show up and confront Vermouth. As they gloated about whose plan was better, Yukiko would stall for time while Conan finished the deduction show. The deduction show would also keep Amuro/Bourbon occupied while Akai settled things with Sera and Ai and prepared the next part. Conan probably confronted Kid during the panic over the "fire" and blackmailed convinced him to use the Sherry wig/mask Yukiko had hidden in exchange for not exposing him. They knew that the BO would probably do something to isolate Sherry from everyone else, especially if Vermouth was involved, as Conan had already figured out that she was making an effort not to let him or Ran get hurt and/or caught.

I'll admit that I don't entirely see the logic of Akai appearing as himself. I can understand why he wouldn't appear as Okiya, as that could get Okiya on the BO's radar. Likely, it was just for dramatic effect, but it could have also been to distract Amuro/Bourbo from the sight of Sherry suddenly taking out a hang glider and flying away. If he hadn't appeared then, Amuro would have gone into the storage and seen Kid. Also, he wore a hat similar to the one Vermouth was wearing as Scar Akai, so his silhouette in the smoke would be similar.

As for the old lady and maid disappearing, well, the resolution to that will probably never be shown and just be left to our imaginations. (Personally, I'm having a fun time imagining the cops realizing it was Kid and an assistant while interrogating the old lady at her house.)

Overall, I think that, while the Mystery Train case is over, the Bourbon arc is still ongoing in a sense. There are several loose threads to be tied up. Which reminds me, an interesting thought occurred to me: just because he reported Sherry to Vermouth doesn't mean he's loyal to the Organization; it could simply mean he's loyal to her. It's a bit of a long shot, I know, but still possible. Overall, something about him seems off when compared to other Organization members, I guess. He seems to have more of a conscience than others, seems to value his friends (he saved the last text from Wataru Date AND visited his grave), and sacrificed his car for Conan. Even for an undercover mission, that's pretty extreme. Also, he was determined to take Sherry alive (for the record, Gin WAS going to kill Sherry on the rooftop, but was stopped when he had to fight off the effects of Conan's tranquilizer needle), and was willing to defy Vermouth to do it. Of course, this could also be construed as him wanting to get answers on how Sherry escaped and where she'd been hiding. Also, he's so polite, even when talking to a traitor. When Gin confronted her, I got a poetic-yet-threatening vibe. With Amuro/Bourbon, I got a gentlemanly-yet-intimidating vibe. He even wore white gloves, like a butler. Yes, I know the gloves were to avoid leaving fingerprints and stuff, even on a bomb, but they're white. Gentlemanly white. Heck, he was even wearing a vest with a white dress shirt and tweed pants.

His attire and personality just scream "gentleman". I think the fan(girl)s want him to be a good guy, or at least a gentleman killer. ...Wait, am I included in that? Oh my gosh, I think I'm actually fangirling over a manga character. o_o

[rrizqiw]

what is kaito debt?

[milk_hater]

Poor Jii (Kid's accomplice). He's either still pretending to be the old lady without a maid or now back to his 'normal' self. Either way, he's got some explaining to do.


I kinda wonder how Kaito's gunna give that phone back to Conan. Is he just gunna slip it in the mail slot, or make up a disguise and knock on the door. Should be interesting. XD

[User 4869]

*Congratulations Fennec for his/her new fandom/fangirling life.*

I think you right that the police will just found the old lady missing, contact her and realize it was Kid, then let the matter drops.

[neil0604]

I still can't get over the fact that Bourbon's cover was actually already been blown way back when Okiya (Akai) first saw him in the series, since it's almost a hundred percent that they see each other often before when Akai was still in the BO.

[Silver1412]

Oh My God. Chek was right... In EVERY LAST TINY aspect of the Okiya = Akai, Amuro = Bourbon and Sera = Akai's sis... That's it! Chekhov is SO TOTALLY Gosho in disguise!

[sefiroth]

YUKIKO PLAN to disguise as shiho is just stupid i mean does she thinks she can fool the org by that ?
even if she a good actress they' ll shoot her when they hear her breath

Yukiko are not stupid to do that. But somethings bothering me that's not Shiho. I dunno who can disguise her, except Kaito.

Just I thought.. 1 special guest...Kaito Kid

[Kor]

Oh My God. Chek was right... In EVERY LAST TINY aspect of the Okiya = Akai, Amuro = Bourbon and Sera = Akai's sis... That's it! Chekhov is SO TOTALLY Gosho in disguise!

I thought about rewriting the lyrics of this song a while ago for Chekhov.
You're a Gosho in disguise
Oh, yes, you are
A Gosho in disguise

Perhaps later.

[Kleene Onigiri]

This whole plan was a bit too relying on a third party being involved (this time Kid), though his involvement was foreshadowed pretty well (though the foreshadowing made it too obvious). So now the question is whether or not Gosho is planning to continue with the story line or we're going to have another bunch of cases not related.

Since kaito left the train, one of the passengers was therefore missing. Dunno if it'd be important for the police to look more into.

Either way, it kinda seems like Kid is going to be involved now whether we like it or not. Now Vermouth wonders about Kaito Kid.
My only complaint is that Yukiko has sadly become a "conflict solver". Then again, I guess Yukiko's repeated involvement is because once again, the major thing here was based on disguises.
I also can't really take Bourbon too seriously since so far he didn't really succeed in anything. Not to mention his exposition on his background in this file. "I'm going to tell you everything about me because I'm so sure of myself and I'm confident my plan will work perfectly and nothing will foil it"

Oh, right. Chekhov's theory - spot on.

^ This.
Tho Bourbon was confident because he thought he's alone on the train-part with Sherry. So it's not completely like in movies where the culprit reveals the whole plan to the hero XD

Wonder if Gin get's suspicious of Vermouth or something.
Guess the next arc will be "Bourbons suspicion arc" this time? XD Detective Bourbon~ DUN DUN