Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[mihai]

Or the idea was to make Vermouth think Yukiko wanted to disguise as Shiho/Sherry. And it was going well, Vermouth thinking there is nobody left since Yukiko was there and Conan is deducting. Now it depends on who does Vermouth think is the special guest, but if Okiya/Akai decides to confront Amuro, he should have an advantage, giving him a little electric shock as his little sister received

[kaitokid41]

Bourbon may be good, but Akai is always one step ahead.

[believer08]

Bourbon may be good, but Akai is always one step ahead.

Agreed.
Okiya is Conan's team ace in the hole since the beginning... if he's not Akai, whoever he is. Hopefully we'll know for certain the next file.
(By the way, nice avatar kaitokid41 - Sorry, I had to say it )

[sefiroth]

YUKIKO PLAN to disguise as shiho is just stupid i mean does she thinks she can fool the org by that ?
even if she a good actress they' ll shoot her when they hear her breath

Yukiko are not stupid to do that. But somethings bothering me that's not Shiho. I dunno who can disguise her, except Kaito.

[TheSignature]

I've been following the forums here for about a year and I've finally decided to join. It just felt right. Anyway on to the recent events. I'm thinking when Bourbon says Shiho looks like HER he means one of two people. Akemi, as I feel this is more plausible than Elena. Or he means Haibara for the obvious reason. Amuro is supposed to be an intelligent individual, an ace detective if you will. With him spying as closely as he has its more than possible he's made the connection between Haibara and Shiho. If he means Akemi it is of no real consequence but if he means Haibara then there is the potential for major plot development. He'll either have to be removed (either temporarily or permanently) or he is actually able to report this information which is very unlikely. I'm guessing temporary restraint with a return later.

On the Okiya front. I'm guessing he and Conan are very near and waiting to pounce on Bourbon. The question is to what goal. I don't think keeping a BO member for questioning is likely to be fruitful or successful.

Lastly there seems to be something that I feel we're overlooking or missing and I don't know what. I just can't shake that feeling.

BTW reading DC has me wanting to learn Japanese. I feel like I could get so much more that way. An example being that I would have wondered why Sera called Scar Akai Shuu-nii (or is it Shuunii) was it not for these so enlightening forums.

[jalex26]

There's just one thing bothering me. They still haven't explained why Conan recorded a video of the suspects running. Could it be that there's still one more B.O. member inside the train and he's trying to figure out who it is?

[Daiko Tantei]

[quote="Conan 48:69"]
File 823 ending revealled that Amuro was Bourbon, he knows Sherry and even knows her mother. Did Bourbon's theory is simply over like that? Maybe not.

There is still possible that Okiya is Bourbon. If Amuro is Bourbon, why Amuro using such an amateur way to sneak in Mouri Detective Agency and use Kogoro's computer in File 817, then notices that Kogoro's computer was being hacked by someone and began wondering who did it. It's a loser way to think. Amuro is not the same level as Akai Shuichi, Bourbon, Vermouth, just the level of underling.

In File 823, why do Amuro introduce himself as Bourbon directly to Sherry? To send Sherry to a safe place? Amuro is ordered by real Akai on phone in order to scare Sherry. Real Akai is waiting at Nagoya to ambush Gin and Vodka.

Okiya referred himself and Yukiko as "us" in File 820 Page 7, it's all because Conan tricked Yukiko, tricked his teammates in order to trick enemies, Conan told Yukiko "Okiya is our side, he alwaysl help me during deduction show, so he can be trusted". After Okiya gained trust from Conan, he ensured that his Bourbon's identify did not expose.

Vermouth said to Bourbon “You have gained some trust from the time beingâ€

[Nanatsu no Ko]

There's just one thing bothering me. They still haven't explained why Conan recorded a video of the suspects running. Could it be that there's still one more B.O. member inside the train and he's trying to figure out who it is?

I'm curious as well. With everyone running from the smoke bombs, I'm guessing that Conan will deduce something based on those videos. Time to go back and read that file again.

Or Conan could just have been preparing them to evacuate the train since he noticed the smoke bombs?

[musashiro]

just finished reading the latest manga...

a lot of theories here are finally confirmed...

1. bourbon is Amuro.
2. okiya is shuichi
3. mystery lady is yukiko


i didn't enjoy the deduction show though.. and i bet you didn't too..

[doublemoonlight]

[quote="Conan 48:69"]
File 823 ending revealled that Amuro was Bourbon, he knows Sherry and even knows her mother. Did Bourbon's theory is simply over like that? Maybe not.

There is still possible that Okiya is Bourbon. If Amuro is Bourbon, why Amuro using such an amateur way to sneak in Mouri Detective Agency and use Kogoro's computer in File 817, then notices that Kogoro's computer was being hacked by someone and began wondering who did it. It's a loser way to think. Amuro is not the same level as Akai Shuichi, Bourbon, Vermouth, just the level of underling.

In File 823, why do Amuro introduce himself as Bourbon directly to Sherry? To send Sherry to a safe place? Amuro is ordered by real Akai on phone in order to scare Sherry. Real Akai is waiting at Nagoya to ambush Gin and Vodka.

Okiya referred himself and Yukiko as "us" in File 820 Page 7, it's all because Conan tricked Yukiko, tricked his teammates in order to trick enemies, Conan told Yukiko "Okiya is our side, he alwaysl help me during deduction show, so he can be trusted". After Okiya gained trust from Conan, he ensured that his Bourbon's identify did not expose.

Vermouth said to Bourbon “You have gained some trust from the time beingâ€

[jalex26]

There's just one thing bothering me. They still haven't explained why Conan recorded a video of the suspects running. Could it be that there's still one more B.O. member inside the train and he's trying to figure out who it is?

Or Conan could just have been preparing them to evacuate the train since he noticed the smoke bombs?

Lmao... Is it even necessary to record them one by one? Haha.                            Btw If there really is another B.O. member inside the train it's most likely a spy sent by Gin. I don't think he trust Vermouth that much. He even said it himself in chapter 818, "I was getting worried you were showing mercy for a fellow female colleague".

[tensai1042]

I am still wondering how Akai will help out as Okiya without revealing the fact that he is actually Akai to BO members.
Cuz then, that would mess up his plan with Hidemi's infiltration in BO.

[kaitokid41]

Bourbon may be good, but Akai is always one step ahead.

Agreed.
Okiya is Conan's team ace in the hole since the beginning... if he's not Akai, whoever he is. Hopefully we'll know for certain the next file.
(By the way, nice avatar kaitokid41 - Sorry, I had to say it )

yes, hopefully we'll know. but i'm 70% sure it's Akai.^_^

thanks! colored this avatar myself.^_^

[saorin]

Haven't read all the pages so far, but...

"Mystery guest" = "supposedly dead" Akai, or are there already other guesses floating around?

If we assume Vermouth actually saw through the entire plan, Yukiko planned to dress up as Shiho - I think we can take this as face value and this was the original plan. Or is Team Shin-chan having yet another backup plan, since they expected Vermouth to find them out? What dou you think? =D

Also...as Amuro was shown to have some relation to Takagi's former mentor...does it seem farfetched to believe he MIGHT possibly NOT be loyal the BO?
Though I guess we already had our share of traitors and spies there... xD

[Jd-]

Amuro/Bourbon won't be a complete villain. He's likely going to have some sort of understandable reason for us to sympathize with his hatred of Akai (possibly stemming from an accident or incident that Akai was involved in causing and maybe indirectly) and will probably act in a reasonable capacity as far as his being a "villain". He's already showcased in his Scar Akai appearances that he's not evil, so you can expect that to recur when his true nature is shown in his Amuro form as well. There are a few ways his character could ultimately be used, but I suspect he'll end up being much more good than bad.