Which person is the main female character, Haibara or Ran?

[IHKF]

i bet her mom have a brain wash pillow

but 1 thing i like from Ran is that she is Shinichi's weakness......

That doesn't make Ran special, though. Anybody important to Shinichi is his weakness. We've seen the same worry to anybody- even strangers.

[Kor]

Yay! A Ran vs. Haibara discussion. We didn't have that one for quite a while.

Call me when I need to edit/remove posts or lock this thing.

One thing, though.

Nobody really considers her a hero of ANYTHING, though. She's kind of just there... with a black belt in karate. "Superhero"  and "heroine" were probably used because Gosho exaggerated her strength as a black belt. In reality, she hasn't done much of anything to be called a "hero".

Stop with the generalizations. Speak for yourself on whatever you want, but don't do so on behalf of the rest of the world.

[Tani]

i bet her mom have a brain wash pillow

but 1 thing i like from Ran is that she is Shinichi's weakness......

That doesn't make Ran special, though. Anybody important to Shinichi is his weakness. We've seen the same worry to anybody- even strangers.

It is true that Shinichi worries about those who are important to him a great deal,but I desagree whit wahat you are saying about Ran not being special and that he worries about others just the same. 

Whenever Ran is in danger, he always thinks about her first. Remember the case where Ran And Sonoko are trapped in a villa with all Sonoko's chat-friends. Whenhe is running across the burning brigde, he is thinking about Ran even shouting her name.  He doesn't thinkabout SonokoOr the others at all.

Another examble would be the bomber case in vol.36-37( I Can't remember what episodes).In that episode Shinichi suspect that the bomb is placed at Teitan high where Ran and the rest of the class are having a test. The whole class is in danger,but still he thinks of Ran first and even says she is the most important person to him.

Also in episode 510-511 where a man who are held hostage makes paper-planes to get peoples attention to where he is, Shinichi are extremly worried about Ran.  When they have located where the man is held hostage, Ran wants to get inside to rescue the man but Shinchi tellsher to wait outside and wait for the police. Ran still goes inside to help the man,because it could be to late for the police to rescue the hostage. After the man is safe and everything is back to normal, we learn that when Shinichi called the police he was panicing and yelling. He says him self it was because he was afraid she would be in danger even though the possibility was low

Shinichi is pretty much always clam. Ofcourse he worries about the people he cares about,but this is the first time he has lost his cool like that.
He couldn't even remember what he had been yelling at police.

My point is ,based on these cases above and a lot of others from the manga and Anime, that I believe  Ran is special and his greatest weakness - not the  only weakness ,but the most important one

And back to the Topic I would say that Ran is the Heroine.

[Tani]

I apologise for my previous post. Some of the words are connected because I had some problems with my keyboard

[mangaluva]

See, all I spotted of the above argument was "Ran is the heroin" and while reading the rest all I could think of was Ran dealing drugs to the children. She must be stopped!

[angelranchan]

here they go again..fu fu fu~
did I start this? I just say Ran is a heroin..
okay stop the heroin..she's just the lead main chara..'kay


btw..not because she doesn't know how to use gun, blah blah blah, she's not worthy anymore..
don't turn this into a ran vs ai discussion..
hey! just lock this thing..things doesn't turn good..
her answer had just been answer..
she's not asking for our opinion but for the FACT
lock this

[xpon]

btw..not because she doesn't know how to use gun, blah blah blah, she's not worthy anymore..

the reason why Ran cant fire a gun is because she never been in Hawaii before!!!!

[Kaito Lady]

obviously its Ai

[CodeName:900hrs]

its so totally Haibara  ;) hehehe

[IHKF]

Nobody really considers her a hero of ANYTHING, though. She's kind of just there... with a black belt in karate. "Superhero"  and "heroine" were probably used because Gosho exaggerated her strength as a black belt. In reality, she hasn't done much of anything to be called a "hero".

Stop with the generalizations. Speak for yourself on whatever you want, but don't do so on behalf of the rest of the world.

I can't believe you felt the need to slap my hand for that. XD LOL

i bet her mom have a brain wash pillow

but 1 thing i like from Ran is that she is Shinichi's weakness......

That doesn't make Ran special, though. Anybody important to Shinichi is his weakness. We've seen the same worry to anybody- even strangers.

It is true that Shinichi worries about those who are important to him a great deal,but I desagree whit wahat you are saying about Ran not being special and that he worries about others just the same. 

Whenever Ran is in danger, he always thinks about her first. Remember the case where Ran And Sonoko are trapped in a villa with all Sonoko's chat-friends. Whenhe is running across the burning brigde, he is thinking about Ran even shouting her name.  He doesn't thinkabout SonokoOr the others at all.

Another examble would be the bomber case in vol.36-37( I Can't remember what episodes).In that episode Shinichi suspect that the bomb is placed at Teitan high where Ran and the rest of the class are having a test. The whole class is in danger,but still he thinks of Ran first and even says she is the most important person to him.

Also in episode 510-511 where a man who are held hostage makes paper-planes to get peoples attention to where he is, Shinichi are extremly worried about Ran.  When they have located where the man is held hostage, Ran wants to get inside to rescue the man but Shinchi tellsher to wait outside and wait for the police. Ran still goes inside to help the man,because it could be to late for the police to rescue the hostage. After the man is safe and everything is back to normal, we learn that when Shinichi called the police he was panicing and yelling. He says him self it was because he was afraid she would be in danger even though the possibility was low

Shinichi is pretty much always clam. Ofcourse he worries about the people he cares about,but this is the first time he has lost his cool like that.
He couldn't even remember what he had been yelling at police.

My point is ,based on these cases above and a lot of others from the manga and Anime, that I believe  Ran is special and his greatest weakness - not the  only weakness ,but the most important one

And back to the Topic I would say that Ran is the Heroine.

First of all, it doesn't seem as though Sonoko is very close to Shinichi at all. She hardly knows anything about him except that he's a deduction freak and he hardly knows anything about her except her boy-crazy attitude. I'd even venture to say that if we ever see them together they'd clash in a battle of insults. xD

If somebody he knows is in danger as well as strangers then he'll react like that and only worry about that one person but I don't think he would have reacted in such a way had his other friends been in that school with her. If Heiji had been there or, heck, Kogoro I'm pretty sure he would have called all of their names and worried for all of them equally. They'd all be in his head making him worry and making it hard for him to concentrate or "making him weaker" because we all know his mind is his greatest weapon.

I honestly didn't see what was so "special" about the way he reacted. I doubt he wouldn't have reacted that same way for anybody else close to him.

Ran is absolutely not his weakness. He cares about her, yes, but that doesn't mean she's his weakness.  All that means is that he doesn't want her hurt. As I said before, he would have reacted the same way if anybody like Kogoro or the DB or Heiji were in the same position.

I'd say his friends and family are his weakness in general. Ran is a part of that.

That means Ran isn't made special by being important to him and it doesn't make her any more of a hero or add to the fact that she's the female lead.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Nobody really considers her a hero of ANYTHING, though. She's kind of just there... with a black belt in karate. "Superhero"  and "heroine" were probably used because Gosho exaggerated her strength as a black belt. In reality, she hasn't done much of anything to be called a "hero".

Stop with the generalizations. Speak for yourself on whatever you want, but don't do so on behalf of the rest of the world.

I can't believe you felt the need to slap my hand for that. XD LOL

Jumping in randomly here, but I think Kor was implying that you stated an opinion as if it were fact, and this particular opinion is not one that many people hold, thus the accusation. Ran is not the savior of the Japanese police force, but I do believe she has had indisputably heroic moments in the series where she has saved people and otherwise made major impacts. Since the Black Org is on my mind right now, her stopping Ai from sacrificing herself to Vermouth while being shot at comes to mind first.

Quick fact check here.

First of all, it doesn't seem as though Sonoko is very close to Shinichi at all. She hardly knows anything about him except that he's a deduction freak and he hardly knows anything about her except her boy-crazy attitude.

Shinichi and Sonoko were in the same class. Sonoko is the closest friend of Ran's and she has kept Sonoko updated on all of the Shinichi developments. I think Sonoko likely knows Shinichi quite well.

If somebody he knows is in danger as well as strangers then he'll react like that and only worry about that one person but I don't think he would have reacted in such a way had his other friends been in that school with her. If Heiji had been there or, heck, Kogoro I'm pretty sure he would have called all of their names and worried for all of them equally. They'd all be in his head making him worry and making it hard for him to concentrate or "making him weaker" because we all know his mind is his greatest weapon.

I honestly didn't see what was so "special" about the way he reacted. I doubt he wouldn't have reacted that same way for anybody else close to him.

Shinichi tends to think of Ran first when multiple people are in danger. See V4-6.6 where the first person he worries about the Black Organization targeting if his identity comes out is Ran, in 35-1.9 where the first person Shinichi asks is alright in Ran, and of course in V36-11.16 it was Ran that Shinichi worried about first when he found out a bomb was planted at her school. I'm too lazy to look for more references, but I am sure others can do better.

[1Kaito]

why nobody? I can consider her a superhero  you know.. I'm a Ran Mouri fan haha!
She saves Haibara, Conan, Ayumi, Vermouth (Is she that person in New York?) some other characters that I don't remember who they are haha!
Okay..I keep quiet now :-x

Do you see her doing what Conan does and riding through explosions or being thrown through burning windows or being stabbed and surviving? XD

Does she turn into a magical girl and mix her karate with magic? XD

You don't have to do any of those flashy, grand things to be a hero. She's saved a lot of people, she is a hero to me.

[ranger]

I wish Ran was meguca

[Memesu]

why nobody? I can consider her a superhero  you know.. I'm a Ran Mouri fan haha!
She saves Haibara, Conan, Ayumi, Vermouth (Is she that person in New York?) some other characters that I don't remember who they are haha!
Okay..I keep quiet now :-x

Do you see her doing what Conan does and riding through explosions or being thrown through burning windows or being stabbed and surviving? XD

Does she turn into a magical girl and mix her karate with magic? XD

You don't have to do any of those flashy, grand things to be a hero. She's saved a lot of people, she is a hero to me.

^

[Tani]

Nobody really considers her a hero of ANYTHING, though. She's kind of just there... with a black belt in karate. "Superhero"  and "heroine" were probably used because Gosho exaggerated her strength as a black belt. In reality, she hasn't done much of anything to be called a "hero".

Stop with the generalizations. Speak for yourself on whatever you want, but don't do so on behalf of the rest of the world.

I can't believe you felt the need to slap my hand for that. XD LOL

i bet her mom have a brain wash pillow

but 1 thing i like from Ran is that she is Shinichi's weakness......

That doesn't make Ran special, though. Anybody important to Shinichi is his weakness. We've seen the same worry to anybody- even strangers.

It is true that Shinichi worries about those who are important to him a great deal,but I desagree whit wahat you are saying about Ran not being special and that he worries about others just the same. 

Whenever Ran is in danger, he always thinks about her first. Remember the case where Ran And Sonoko are trapped in a villa with all Sonoko's chat-friends. Whenhe is running across the burning brigde, he is thinking about Ran even shouting her name.  He doesn't thinkabout SonokoOr the others at all.

Another examble would be the bomber case in vol.36-37( I Can't remember what episodes).In that episode Shinichi suspect that the bomb is placed at Teitan high where Ran and the rest of the class are having a test. The whole class is in danger,but still he thinks of Ran first and even says she is the most important person to him.

Also in episode 510-511 where a man who are held hostage makes paper-planes to get peoples attention to where he is, Shinichi are extremly worried about Ran.  When they have located where the man is held hostage, Ran wants to get inside to rescue the man but Shinchi tellsher to wait outside and wait for the police. Ran still goes inside to help the man,because it could be to late for the police to rescue the hostage. After the man is safe and everything is back to normal, we learn that when Shinichi called the police he was panicing and yelling. He says him self it was because he was afraid she would be in danger even though the possibility was low

Shinichi is pretty much always clam. Ofcourse he worries about the people he cares about,but this is the first time he has lost his cool like that.
He couldn't even remember what he had been yelling at police.

My point is ,based on these cases above and a lot of others from the manga and Anime, that I believe  Ran is special and his greatest weakness - not the  only weakness ,but the most important one

And back to the Topic I would say that Ran is the Heroine.

First of all, it doesn't seem as though Sonoko is very close to Shinichi at all. She hardly knows anything about him except that he's a deduction freak and he hardly knows anything about her except her boy-crazy attitude. I'd even venture to say that if we ever see them together they'd clash in a battle of insults. xD

If somebody he knows is in danger as well as strangers then he'll react like that and only worry about that one person but I don't think he would have reacted in such a way had his other friends been in that school with her. If Heiji had been there or, heck, Kogoro I'm pretty sure he would have called all of their names and worried for all of them equally. They'd all be in his head making him worry and making it hard for him to concentrate or "making him weaker" because we all know his mind is his greatest weapon.

I honestly didn't see what was so "special" about the way he reacted. I doubt he wouldn't have reacted that same way for anybody else close to him.

Ran is absolutely not his weakness. He cares about her, yes, but that doesn't mean she's his weakness.  All that means is that he doesn't want her hurt. As I said before, he would have reacted the same way if anybody like Kogoro or the DB or Heiji were in the same position.

I'd say his friends and family are his weakness in general. Ran is a part of that.

That means Ran isn't made special by being important to him and it doesn't make her any more of a hero or add to the fact that she's the female lead.

First of all, wouldn't you say that the most important person  or someone uou want to protect the most in the world is special to you?  Conan,as you say,has a lot of people who are important to him:  Heiji,Ai and the DC... ,but Ran is the most important out of all these. Conan says so himself

MY other example was the episode with the paper plane . You said that you couldn't se anything special about his feelings here. Well let me explain why I think his feelings are special this case .  In that episode Ran is not in any real danger. The culpit that kidnapped the man has comitted suicide and the chance of him having a partner in this crime is very low. And even if he had Ran knows karate. She has protected herself from danger many times. So why is Shinichi so desperate that he even panics and  yells at the police if it isn't because Ran is special to him. I doubt that he would panic like that if Heiji, kogogro or
even another woman was in the same situation as Ran in this case.

In a simalar case with the detective boys his feelings are different. I'm talking about episode 642-43. In this case the Detective boys have entered an apartment without Conan( He is home with a cold) where a mother and her son are held hostage by two people who claims to be the boys parents. Conan has told the DC not to do anything and call the police, but the DC enter the apartment anyway and soon find themselves in a very dangerous situation. When Conan hears about this he comes to their resuce even though he has a cold. This shows that he cares about them alot, but the diffrence here is that he does not panic. He is worried and don't want the DC hurt,but he keeps his cool like he always does. And the Dc and Haibara were in a more dangerous situation than Ran

I think that this makes Ran a little more special and important to him than the others,  at least to me that makes sense

But I agree with you that even though I think that Ran is special and his greatess weakness that alone does not make her the heroine. But like othres have said she has a lot of heroic qualities .She is brave and strong.She is kind and has saved a lot of people. She is not a hero like Shinichi, but she do have her moments.And that is why I think of her as the heroine.