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Re: BO Boss Theory

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all i know about the bo boss is that he would have to be rich inorder to maintain running the organization that includes paying for all the supplies he needs to make the drug.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote: We don't know anything about Ran's grandparents.
We don't know anything about Kogoro's family either and its ususual and suspicious considering he is one of the top three freaking main characters. Conspiracy theory rant time! (a repost)
There is a conspicuous absence of anything pertaining to Kogoro's family background. He's a main character and absolutely nothing has been mentioned even in passing about any of his kin beyond Ran. Considering the length of the manga and that character history stories are otherwise quite common, I believe this omission is intentional. I can think of three situations that would account for the censorship.
a) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family has a critical connection or position in the Org. I do not support the theory that Kogoro himself is part of the Crow Corps, but with the family name "Mouri", and its difficult-to-ignore resemblance to "Moriarty" from the Sherlock canon, I think that this theory concerning relatives on the dark side holds thematic appeal.
b) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family was a victim of the Org, and that the circumstances/mystery behind it are a major clue to one of the central mysteries like the identity of the boss, or the org's name, etc.
c) Kogoro's background relations are not important or non-existent. I think this explanation is weak because it goes against Gosho's style. The vast majority of the main and secondary characters have had some member of their family brought up, often as participants or suspects in cases, as motivation for why the character is where they are now, or simply mentioned in passing. The idea that Gosho would ignore using Kogoro's family for any case/plot purposes without a genuinely good reason for (as of now) 717 chapters is unreasonable.
The reasons why a relative of Kogoro can't be introduced too early could be one or more of the following:
a) It would be too big of a hint.
b) It would call unwanted attention and suspicion where Gosho does not yet want it.
c) It serves as a major plot key which will enable Conan to solve a very important mystery.
Given that this censorship on Kogoro's kin has been going on since the very beginning of the manga, it would be logical to assume that the reason is pertinent to the overarching mysteries - namely what is the true nature of the Org, who is the boss, and what is its goal.
In short, I believe it is reasonable to assume that Kogoro has (or had) one or more plot-significant family members who have (or had) vital connections to the Black Org, as either victims or members.
If that were true then question. Would such a Boss want a family member killed?
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THAT'S WHY IT'S ERI and Vermouth is her lesbian lover.

Eri wanted to get Kogorou out of the way but Vermouth was open to a threesome.

Alright, no need to shoot me for that.

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Re: BO Boss Theory

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sstimson wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote: We don't know anything about Ran's grandparents.
We don't know anything about Kogoro's family either and its ususual and suspicious considering he is one of the top three freaking main characters. Conspiracy theory rant time! (a repost)
There is a conspicuous absence of anything pertaining to Kogoro's family background. He's a main character and absolutely nothing has been mentioned even in passing about any of his kin beyond Ran. Considering the length of the manga and that character history stories are otherwise quite common, I believe this omission is intentional. I can think of three situations that would account for the censorship.
a) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family has a critical connection or position in the Org. I do not support the theory that Kogoro himself is part of the Crow Corps, but with the family name "Mouri", and its difficult-to-ignore resemblance to "Moriarty" from the Sherlock canon, I think that this theory concerning relatives on the dark side holds thematic appeal.
b) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family was a victim of the Org, and that the circumstances/mystery behind it are a major clue to one of the central mysteries like the identity of the boss, or the org's name, etc.
c) Kogoro's background relations are not important or non-existent. I think this explanation is weak because it goes against Gosho's style. The vast majority of the main and secondary characters have had some member of their family brought up, often as participants or suspects in cases, as motivation for why the character is where they are now, or simply mentioned in passing. The idea that Gosho would ignore using Kogoro's family for any case/plot purposes without a genuinely good reason for (as of now) 717 chapters is unreasonable.
The reasons why a relative of Kogoro can't be introduced too early could be one or more of the following:
a) It would be too big of a hint.
b) It would call unwanted attention and suspicion where Gosho does not yet want it.
c) It serves as a major plot key which will enable Conan to solve a very important mystery.
Given that this censorship on Kogoro's kin has been going on since the very beginning of the manga, it would be logical to assume that the reason is pertinent to the overarching mysteries - namely what is the true nature of the Org, who is the boss, and what is its goal.
In short, I believe it is reasonable to assume that Kogoro has (or had) one or more plot-significant family members who have (or had) vital connections to the Black Org, as either victims or members.
If that were true then question. Would such a Boss want a family member killed?
Spoiler:
Remember 425
I'm not saying the boss is one of Kogoro's family members, it is only one possibility among many ways Kogoro could be connected to the org. Kogoro's family member(s) could be a victim(s) of the Org or an important operative(s) so far unseen. Also, if an operative or even the boss is one of Kogoro's family members, they are probably estranged so thus they wouldn't care if Kogoro is dead. I doubt a serious member of a brutal underground organization would hold an ex-police relative in high regard.

Also, there is one more "dark-grey" box to consider in addition to Kogoro's relatives: Shiho's father Atsushi Miyano. Her parents' deaths are probably also plot important as well and may also link to the major mysteries. There are multiple ways Gosho could entwine Kogoro's plot-important relatives and Shiho's parents together into the major plotline, so I'm not sure what roles both sides will take.
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Re: BO Boss Theory

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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
sstimson wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Abs. wrote: We don't know anything about Ran's grandparents.
We don't know anything about Kogoro's family either and its ususual and suspicious considering he is one of the top three freaking main characters. Conspiracy theory rant time! (a repost)
There is a conspicuous absence of anything pertaining to Kogoro's family background. He's a main character and absolutely nothing has been mentioned even in passing about any of his kin beyond Ran. Considering the length of the manga and that character history stories are otherwise quite common, I believe this omission is intentional. I can think of three situations that would account for the censorship.
a) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family has a critical connection or position in the Org. I do not support the theory that Kogoro himself is part of the Crow Corps, but with the family name "Mouri", and its difficult-to-ignore resemblance to "Moriarty" from the Sherlock canon, I think that this theory concerning relatives on the dark side holds thematic appeal.
b) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family was a victim of the Org, and that the circumstances/mystery behind it are a major clue to one of the central mysteries like the identity of the boss, or the org's name, etc.
c) Kogoro's background relations are not important or non-existent. I think this explanation is weak because it goes against Gosho's style. The vast majority of the main and secondary characters have had some member of their family brought up, often as participants or suspects in cases, as motivation for why the character is where they are now, or simply mentioned in passing. The idea that Gosho would ignore using Kogoro's family for any case/plot purposes without a genuinely good reason for (as of now) 717 chapters is unreasonable.
The reasons why a relative of Kogoro can't be introduced too early could be one or more of the following:
a) It would be too big of a hint.
b) It would call unwanted attention and suspicion where Gosho does not yet want it.
c) It serves as a major plot key which will enable Conan to solve a very important mystery.
Given that this censorship on Kogoro's kin has been going on since the very beginning of the manga, it would be logical to assume that the reason is pertinent to the overarching mysteries - namely what is the true nature of the Org, who is the boss, and what is its goal.
In short, I believe it is reasonable to assume that Kogoro has (or had) one or more plot-significant family members who have (or had) vital connections to the Black Org, as either victims or members.
If that were true then question. Would such a Boss want a family member killed?
Spoiler:
Remember 425
I'm not saying the boss is one of Kogoro's family members, it is only one possibility among many ways Kogoro could be connected to the org. Kogoro's family member(s) could be victim(s) of the Org or an important operative(s) so far unseen. Also, if an operative or even the boss is one of Kogoro's family members, they are probably estranged so thus they wouldn't care if Kogoro is dead. I doubt a serious member of a brutal underground organization would hold an ex-police relative in high regard.

Also, there is one more "dark-grey" box to consider in addition to Kogoro's relatives: Shiho's father Atsishi/Atsushi (which one is it?) Miyano. Her parents death's are probably also plot important as well and may also link to the major mysteries. There are multiple ways Gosho could entwine Kogoro's plot-important relatives and Shiho's parents together into the major plotline, so I'm not sure what roles both sides will take.
next thing you know, Shiho and Ran are cousins  ;D
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If it's true what was said a few pages ago and the boss identity is someone haibara doesn't expect it means that is someone she knows but never suspected, and the only ones she trust are:
- Agasa, how can and old mad scientist afford a house that big if, as was said before by Shinichi, he only invents crazy or exploding stuff? The answer, he is the leader of a crime syndicate, the only reason he helps the shrunken Conan is because he is the perfect guinea pig for the next gen BO gadgets. Can really an old lonely guy design and build a perfect voice modulator, a watch with the extra functions of dart gun and a flash light, a pair of glasses that would make Q from 007 cry (enough room for batteries, lcd screen, camera (for zooming purposes), speaker (for the bugs), an antenna small and powerful enough, ...) and many other useful items? The only reason he hasn't killed Ai and Conan jet is because he is giving the inventions a very through field test for free.
- Conan, common you are telling me and unbeaten meitantei is going to commit an amateur mistake and get himself drugged and almost killed like that? Who can believe that? It is clear Gosho is just messing with us, the only reason Shinichi shrank is:
  A) Because nobody would think a brat is really the leader of a dangerous organization like the BO.
  B) Because he can now be living with the girl he likes.
  C) Because he can look for his enemies both safer and closer than ever before.
- Miyano Akemi, isn't it strange that while the older sister met her parents shiho didn't, it's because she couldn't. Shiho's mother took the drug, just like Sharon, and looked too young to be her mother, so she decided to tell her she is her sister instead. If she ended up getting killed is because she was getting tired of acting and decided to fake her death and leave the load of her sister behind to concentrate on running the BO.
- Detective boys, ok this one is just pushing it too much, I'm not going there.
Then there is also Gin, sure everybody knows he is a important high ranking member of the organization, but not that he is the leader. After all didn't we learn of Kir being a member because the phone number she called? And wasn't the person at the other end none other than Gin? If he says or acts otherwise is because he either wants to keep that information a secret or he has split personalities.
Note: This was only a way to waste time and not necessarily my opinion. Also I apologize for any and all semantic, gramatic or any other kind of mistakes in this pointless block of text, English isn't exactly my native language and may be a little sloppy.
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DthWa1ker wrote: Then there is also Gin, sure everybody knows he is a important high ranking member of the organization, but not that he is the leader. After all didn't we learn of Kir being a member because the phone number she called? And wasn't the person at the other end none other than Gin? If he says or acts otherwise is because he either wants to keep that information a secret or he has split personalities.
Upon closer examination, Conan heard the keytones from when Kir was sending the boss a mail message.

Right after that, Gin called Kir, and Kir answered, calling him "Gin."  From their conversation, Gin had tried calling Kir a few times previously, but Kir had her phone turned off.
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Abs. wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote: Then there is also Gin, sure everybody knows he is a important high ranking member of the organization, but not that he is the leader. After all didn't we learn of Kir being a member because the phone number she called? And wasn't the person at the other end none other than Gin? If he says or acts otherwise is because he either wants to keep that information a secret or he has split personalities.
Upon closer examination, Conan heard the keytones from when Kir was sending the boss a mail message.

Right after that, Gin called Kir, and Kir answered, calling him "Gin."  From their conversation, Gin had tried calling Kir a few times previously, but Kir had her phone turned off.
One major correction find out about the boss was when VELMOUTH not Kir used her phone. Another thing: It was a TEXT message not a normal(?) voice call
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