Detective Conan Files 801-803 Discussion Thread: Domestic Vi

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Who is Bourbon?

Okiya Subaru
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Amuro Tooru who is not Scar Akai
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Masumi Sera
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Scar Akai who is not Amuro Tooru
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Scar Akai aka Amuro Tooru
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Conan
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sstimson
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Kor wrote: Overall, this case seems a bit obvious.
The overall picture seems obvious from the beginning but I feel that the details are going to be less obvious.
Abs. wrote:
Spoiler: Domestic Violence case resolution spoiler
*hic*
Let's get some hype for the resolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Also, she's probably
Spoiler:
preggo!? :o
I'm in agreement with you on that, but there are pieces of the puzzle that I don't can't see how they fit ...
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A bit off topic:
There have been some rarities on Conan lately and Gosho is homeschooling us some medical knowledge, especially on blood and DNA recently:
1) two opposite-sex identical twins about to get married (lots of mention of blood type and DNA )
2) a married couple both with the same rare blood type (neatly explained away by having them met at blood donation =) )

All this is getting me HYPED that something big is going to happen soon in a BO or identity/Suspicion arc ...

Back to 802:

A)
Somehow the clue to solving the murderer's trick comes to Conan from seeing Genta stop sneezing!?  I'll need Conan to explain that one...

B)
An ?important? unknown: It's not been made clear if the wife has an occupation or not, and the husband's occupation isn't stated clearly either (but it seems he's a regular office worker?).  If it turns out (however unlikely) either are actually actors/actresses (the wife has a halloween costume and its not halloween, and dressed up as reindeer at christmas?) then the scene Aiyumi witnessed will have a -ridiculous- explanation...

C)
The wife is pregnant:

The last of Conan's thoughts in 802 are also interesting...
"He used his wife's personality in order to kill her...
Without knowing that it would lead to both parties demise..."

"both parties" could refer to both the wife and her unborn child's death (as opposed to the wife and the husband's demise)

As for the wife's pregnancy, some blood disorder/disease or some other more serious medical problem seems improbable at best -- the wife's pregnant:
in 801:
1) her mention of "not being blessed with a child" earlier (now she wants him to stop cheating and be a responsible father?)
2) there is quite a bit of talk about nutrition; even kojima's "growth" journal takes on new meaning now =D
in 802:
1) has common pregnancy signs: often fatigued, nauseated, and easily irritated
2) she is dressed very lightly (esp for winter) and is sweating (higher metabolism so you are much warmer during your pregnancy)
3) ? a cup of water in the kitchen (another reference to the above, she needed water to cool her self down) (or part of murderer's trick)
4) Aiyumi: "She was smiling the whole time she was making barbecue for us" (imagining herself cooking as if they were her children)
5) the email, "go and get checked out by a doctor" followed by a heart mark (so not a serious health condition? according to the woman she was messaging)

D)
Puzzle piece 1:
Why is the wife so obsessed with the HUSBAND's cell phone (she checks it every night?)?  She says its because of philandering and suspecting him of cheating, and supposedly has sent out messages to the woman on his phone to stop cheating.  Conan puts a big dent into that idea when he searches the messages of her phone and finds none like the ones she says she sent.

E)
Puzzle piece 2:
"DID IT STOP?"

She could mean almost anything but that the message suddenly stopped right at that point in time is just as interesting ...

The timeline of the husband's version of events is curious.  when you put it all together with the phone conversation we see how odd that one line is..:

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Husband finds cellphone under sofa, and the wife yanks the phone away to find more reason for "suspicion".
They argue...
wife: "It's a wife's job to manage her husband!! I've been checking it after you go to sleep every night!!"
Husband: "Cripes, what kind of woman ARE you ... You're not the one I married..."
Wife: "That's my line!!"
{...it feels like the husband has left quite a bit out right here... he says something that makes her furious? ...}
Wife comes slashing at husband with the knife with the intent to kill, saying..
{Aiyumi appears outside the window}
Wife:"I'll kill you"
...
[b]Wife:"DIE!!"
{Aiyumi runs...}
Wife:"Did it stop?" 
The wife and husband have a struggle over the knife.
The wife is "accidentally" stabbed.
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"Did it stop?" sounds like it simply doesn't even belong in this chain of events -- it sounds simply wrong.  I'm going to assume that Aiyumi is correct and that the wife did actually say that.
Then isn't it our impression of what Aiyumi witnessed actually wrong... and for that short period of time that Aiyumi witnessed, the wife wasn't going to actually kill her husband... (Otherwise she would not actually say "Did it stop" in the middle of this)
How the husband managed to create such a strong, false impression ... I can't even speculate ...
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I really hope Haibara will start investigating/asking questions to Okiya and Conan in order to confirm that Okiya=Dai...A confrontation between Ai and Okiya would be nice... :)
Seems like Akai promised her to protect Akemi,but he failed :'(  she will be mad at Akai,and she will probably cry... :-\
Really... I can't wait to read the next files!!!
oh,and Haibara yelling at the husband is awesome!!!


Concerning the case,I also thought Sumika is pregnant when I read that she was tired,irritated and nauseated lately...
I'm happy I'm not the only one who think that way...
Finally this case is not bad^^
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Ahhhh! I just got reminded of something... maybe that is the trick?
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There are lots of methods to stop hickups. One is drinking water in a weird way (glass of water?), another is to get startled. So, the husband had hickups, and the wife wanted to help by threatening him in order to startle him - that was what Ayumi saw. And it explains the "did it stop" very well  8-)
Edit: damn, iciel already got it ^^ But I guess it makes sense.

Happy new year everyone!
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sstimson wrote: think those pills by the bed were Vicodin?

Vicodin
I don't know about the pills but seeing Vicodin made me think of Dr. House :)
Abs. wrote:
Spoiler: Domestic Violence case resolution spoiler
*hic*
Let's get some hype for the resolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Also, she's probably
Spoiler:
preggo!? :o
Spoiler:
yes, the hints seem to point that way (the nutrition, talk, the wife wanting a child, the vomiting, anemia, being irritated).
I see Conan making the husband feel really bad about what he did and to tell him he's gonna be a father
in less than 2 hours the people in Japan will get the big fireworks show so Happy New Year to everyone !!!!
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mihai wrote:
sstimson wrote: think those pills by the bed were Vicodin?

Vicodin
I don't know about the pills but seeing Vicodin made me think of Dr. House :)
A House fan can't be a bad person, right? ;-)


Well, reading that many of you already solved the case, I feel pretty dumb. Anyway, the "easy" case compensates the quite complicated one we had before.
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She's pregnant, but the baby is a different blood type and it's affecting the mother adversely ( it can can happen, I think... someone must know more about this than I)

My question is If the husband knows and thought it wasn't his kid because of the different blood type or he just tried to kill her because her attitude had changed. I mean it could still be his kid, But it could be someone else's .   
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Abs. wrote:
Spoiler: Domestic Violence case resolution spoiler
*hic*
Let's get some hype for the resolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Also, she's probably
Spoiler:
preggo!? :o
I wanted to say that but you (and others) beat me in both points
Spoiler:
About that pregnancy: It's kinda too obvious for me because a lot of teachers I had got pregnant
Oh, and wouldn't that be the first preganancy in DC?
BTW: I'm back!!!!


on another note: Am I the only one who thought that it was kinda obvious that Amuro was going to becomme a reocurring character? I mean from the art stile.
I also think that Gosho is working "faster" now. I mean that he has much more plot in much fewer chapters that usual
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Can anyone tell me which file Akai promised to protect Shihos sister?
I tried finding it myself but there are so many by now.
There is something I need to check. I don't want to spill crap unless I have proof that it is worth something :)
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File 802. :P

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Kogorou wrote: Can anyone tell me which file Akai promised to protect Shihos sister?
I tried finding it myself but there are so many by now.
Oh I just found it!! Page 10 File 802 Vol 76! :p
I'm turning my head up and down

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shuu wrote:
Kogorou wrote: Can anyone tell me which file Akai promised to protect Shihos sister?
I tried finding it myself but there are so many by now.
Oh I just found it!! Page 10 File 802 Vol 76! :p
Wakarimashita wrote: File 802. :P

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I think it was an original pannel. After all, he has long hair there and we haven't seen him often in that fashion
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Just got to the file. I agree with everyone else who thinks it is hiccups and pregnancy. Everyone has pretty much pointed out the evidence, so I guess I don't have to do any work this week.
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As it turns out, Akai is still alive!!
In fact, Akemi is ALSO alive!!!
Also, the "dead" woman who was stabbed gets up and shouts "HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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I feel sorry for Shiho. She have done her best to ensure her sister safety. She even did the 'sister talk' to her sister boyfriend. But everything down the drain.
Sometimes I wonder why Akemi want to get Shiho out of the Org. Shiho seems doing fine in the Org, so it makes me wonder if it's because of Shiho or something else. Is it possible that Akemi did that because she want to be together with Akai? Or Akai ask her to go with him but Akemi didn't want to leave Shiho alone in the Org so she try to get her sister out from Org, too? But good people in DC always have the purest intention when doing something, so it must be impossible.  :P
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