Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[Tenken]

One of my friends said file 801 will be out on the 21st, is that true?

[doublemoonlight]

OK I have to ask... when is file 801 published? is it next week or new year?

[MadelineLime]

File 800

I think Bourbon is Sera, cuz Gosho always chooses the least expected ending.
All that Okiya = Bourbon in the beginning was too obvious, and it was clearly just a red herring.
Everyone thinks that Sera is Akai's sister, but what if she isn't? Maybe Gosho just wanted everyone to think that.
Really look forward to File 801, but it comes out in 2012. Hope the world doesn't end before that ^.^

While he doesn't go with the blatant, most glaring endings for individual cases, (things Kogoro assumes), Gosho always leaves a bunch of clues around that do tell you who it is or what is going to occur. His overarching plots usually do go with the most obvious, at least that's how I usually see/feel about it.

[ahrjay]

One of my friends said file 801 will be out on the 21st, is that true?

OK I have to ask... when is file 801 published? is it next week or new year?

Yes, File 801 will be published next week (12/21). File 802 will be published next year.

[Tenken]

*heart drumming*

[kentasaiba]

hm... Scar-Akai and Amuro...
You also can do it with the opposide

[Kricketier]

Suberu I think would just be too obvious to be burbon, he is just too suspicious. He is so suspicious that it makes him less suspicious. I don't know what he could be, but he strikes me as kind of like jodie back when we thought she was belmont. If it ended up being him, it would make the other characters that are candidates for the position seem like they were just tacked on to make it a mystery.  Another thing that could be used as evidence of it not being suberu is that where suberu seems to be connected to the BO's ability to sense each other, he acted like he sensed someone when he came into close quarters with sera and amuro

I think it is Amuro, On top of what chekov said about him throwing his introductory case there was also a point where the other detective ordered a burbon on the rocks from him, that could have just been a reminder that any new detectives that show up could be burbon, but i think it was a subtle hint from the author that Amuro is burbon.

There is also the possibility, that all three of them working in unison is burbon.

and the fact that burbon seems to be working with belmont strengthens the theories of burbon also being scar Akai

[Blaze of Glory]

Amuro is Scar Akai and Bourbon

Here's Detective Conanworld's theory on why:

Scar Akai almost certainly isn't in the FBI or CIA because there isn't a single beneficial reason to wander about in the open disguised as Akai, and doing so risks compromising Hidemi who is an asset to both aforementioned agencies. Civilians around where Scar Akai appears are also put at risk of becoming collateral damage should the Black Organization attack. The obvious remaining choices are that Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization or a third party.

If Scar Akai is a member of a third party, then perhaps he is trying to lure the Black Organization out with a disguise because he knows Akai was a serious threat to them and apparently died; however, this means the hypothetical third party Scar Akai doesn't care about or doesn't know about Hidemi Hondou being a spy. If a third party was interested in luring out the Black Organization, then simply appearing as Akai somewhere would be enough. Specifically appearing with FBI agents puts the agents at risk as well as endangering any civilians that happen to be around. Since most third party intelligence or police organizations like Interpol or the PSIA would be allied with the FBI or the CIA, they would avoid doing this. Another issue is that the existence of Interpol, PSIA, or any other agency investigating the Black Organization has not been hinted as was the case with the FBI in the Vermouth arc[9] or CIA in the Kir arc.[10] It is possible that Scar Akai may be a member of a rival criminal organization, but again there is no evidence of one existing. Finally, third parties run into the problem of how exactly they found out about the circumstances of Akai’s death well enough to time their agent’s arrival and appearance to match Akai. In conclusion, the most likely option is Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization.
[edit] If Scar Akai is a Black Organization operative, then he is most likely Bourbon.

At the Beika department store case, Scar Akai was present at the same time as all the other known codenamed Black Organization members except Bourbon (and the boss). Assuming Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization, Bourbon is the logical choice. Kir noted that Bourbon is skilled at deduction, a trait that scar Akai shows by solving the red shirt's case and figuring out the bank robber's plans.[11] Bourbon doesn't believe Akai is dead,[12] so it makes sense that Bourbon would create a plan to discover if the real Akai is alive. Gin also described him as secretive[12] which is demonstrated when Gin, not knowing that Bourbon was in disguise as Akai with a burn, set up snipers to kill him thinking he is the real Akai.

Bourbon disguises as scar Akai to discover if the real Akai faked his death

Bourbon, with the boss's approval and Vermouth's help, has disguised as scar Akai and is observing the FBI agents' reactions to his sudden appearances in order to gauge whether the FBI believe Akai is dead or helped him with a fake death plan.
[edit] Bourbon's motive - He doesn't believe Akai is dead.

Gin and Vodka saw Akai’s “assassinationâ€

[unclesporkums]

Agreed.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Amuro is Scar Akai and Bourbon

Here's Detective Conanworld's theory on why:

Scar Akai almost certainly isn't in the FBI or CIA because there isn't a single beneficial reason to wander about in the open disguised as Akai, and doing so risks compromising Hidemi who is an asset to both aforementioned agencies. Civilians around where Scar Akai appears are also put at risk of becoming collateral damage should the Black Organization attack. The obvious remaining choices are that Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization or a third party.

If Scar Akai is a member of a third party, then perhaps he is trying to lure the Black Organization out with a disguise because he knows Akai was a serious threat to them and apparently died; however, this means the hypothetical third party Scar Akai doesn't care about or doesn't know about Hidemi Hondou being a spy. If a third party was interested in luring out the Black Organization, then simply appearing as Akai somewhere would be enough. Specifically appearing with FBI agents puts the agents at risk as well as endangering any civilians that happen to be around. Since most third party intelligence or police organizations like Interpol or the PSIA would be allied with the FBI or the CIA, they would avoid doing this. Another issue is that the existence of Interpol, PSIA, or any other agency investigating the Black Organization has not been hinted as was the case with the FBI in the Vermouth arc[9] or CIA in the Kir arc.[10] It is possible that Scar Akai may be a member of a rival criminal organization, but again there is no evidence of one existing. Finally, third parties run into the problem of how exactly they found out about the circumstances of Akai’s death well enough to time their agent’s arrival and appearance to match Akai. In conclusion, the most likely option is Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization.
[edit] If Scar Akai is a Black Organization operative, then he is most likely Bourbon.

At the Beika department store case, Scar Akai was present at the same time as all the other known codenamed Black Organization members except Bourbon (and the boss). Assuming Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization, Bourbon is the logical choice. Kir noted that Bourbon is skilled at deduction, a trait that scar Akai shows by solving the red shirt's case and figuring out the bank robber's plans.[11] Bourbon doesn't believe Akai is dead,[12] so it makes sense that Bourbon would create a plan to discover if the real Akai is alive. Gin also described him as secretive[12] which is demonstrated when Gin, not knowing that Bourbon was in disguise as Akai with a burn, set up snipers to kill him thinking he is the real Akai.

Bourbon disguises as scar Akai to discover if the real Akai faked his death

Bourbon, with the boss's approval and Vermouth's help, has disguised as scar Akai and is observing the FBI agents' reactions to his sudden appearances in order to gauge whether the FBI believe Akai is dead or helped him with a fake death plan.
[edit] Bourbon's motive - He doesn't believe Akai is dead.

Gin and Vodka saw Akai’s “assassination” carried out, so this would appear to negate any reason the Org would have to look into Akai’s death; however, Gin spoke to the fact that Bourbon hates Akai with a passion and believes he is the only one capable of killing Akai Shuuichi and is therefore likely to suspect a trick in the FBI agent’s death.[12] Thus, Bourbon has motivation to investigate Akai’s death.

Bourbon's mission - Disguise as Akai to test the FBI's reactions.

So far, scar Akai has only been appeared in front of FBI agents rather than around Tokyo generally. The most obvious reason for a Black Org member to do so would be to gauge from the FBI's reactions to the disguise whether Akai is really dead. The FBI agents scar Akai has appeared in front of so far, Jodie Starling[13] and Andre Camel,[14] were known to be close to Akai and thus would be considered likely compatriots if Akai needed help faking his death.

The conversation between Gin and Vermouth about getting the boss's approval[15] can be interpreted as Vermouth informing Gin of Bourbon's plan to disguise as Akai with Vermouth's help and test the reactions of the FBI agents. In that scene, there is a panel with no speech where Vermouth faces Gin and whispers something to him. This signifies a conversation between Gin and Vermouth that the readers were not allowed to hear. At this time, Vermouth informs Gin that scar Akai is Bourbon in disguise, and that she helped with that disguise as part of a plan to test the FBI's reactions to him to see if Akai is still alive. Gin asks if Vermouth got authorization from the boss to go through with this plan and disguise Bourbon as Akai. Vermouth affirms this and explains that the boss is cautious and wants to make doubly certain the FBI didn't plan a trick with Kir to fake Akai's death.

This conversation implies that the Org lied to Kir about Bourbon's true mission so that Kir could not alert any FBI colleagues that they were going to be probed. Kir was told Bourbon was looking for Sherry.[12]

Vermouth's help with the disguise explains the discrepancy between


between the excellence of the scar Akai mask and Bourbon's inability to mimic voices which requires him to pretend he is mute. Bourbon damaging his mask by removing the tape covering his eyes in the Teito Bank heist explains the artistic reasons why the upper part of scar Akai's face was drawn in shadow and the gun was positioned to hide the damaged scar.[3]
[edit] Bourbon's investigation- He suspects Kir is a traitor.

As additional evidence, scar Akai has Kogoro’s cellphone number either memorized or specifically noted down. Kogoro's landline still seems to be the primary call route for first time clients as of the Kir arc, indicating that it is Kogoro's public business number. An obvious explanation for why a Black Organization operative would have Kogoro’s cell number is that scar Akai got it from Kir’s phone which has a text message from Kogoro with his routing number that was sent sometime after the Ding-Dong-Dash case.[16] It would be impossible for Akai to fake his death without Kir being an accomplice, so Kir would be a natural target for anyone investigating Akai's death. Kogoro would have sent the text message later, most likely after looking up his routing number because he didn’t give her the number immediately at her apartment. Kir's cellphone was most likely left in Gin’s car after she changed clothes following the failed first round of the attempted assassination of Domon.[17] Kir switched contact methods to a radio with a mike like Vermouth because she was on a motorcycle and wearing a helmet.[18] As long as no one else in the Organization tampered with her cellphone while she was in the hospital, it is unlikely the message was erased before Bourbon would have the chance to investigate it.

Some people suspect Amuro is Bourbon because the character he is named after, Amuro Ray, is the mortal enemy of the character Shuichi Akai is named after, Char Aznable. Besides the name, other evidence for Amuro being Bourbon includes:

He is a detective and very skilled at information gathering.
He is male as the codename Bourbon implies. The Black Organization codename pattern is that hard liquors are used for men's codenames, and Kir used a male specific pronoun to refer to Bourbon in the Department Store Bomber Case.[1]
He has a type of personality Gin would not like. Gin thinks Bourbon is irritating.[2]
When Amuro offers Kogoro an unknown "tuition" per case Kogoro brings him on, the amount he offers is enough to get Kogoro excited and accept Amuro as an apprentice without hesitation. This is strange because Amuro would not be expected to have much money because he is young, lacks a formal agency, and works part time at restaurants in one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in.

[edit] Scar Akai and Bourbon

See also: Scar Akai is Bourbon Theory

Many people who speculate Amuro is Bourbon also think he may be the true face under the mask of Scar Akai. Including the evidence for Amuro being Bourbon given above, evidence in favor of Amuro being Scar Akai as well is:

Amuro was absent from his job at the Poirot when Scar Akai appeared outside the detective agency where Sera was walking with Ran. This also notable because this occurred right after Sera and Amuro met and Amuro found out Sera was friends with Ran.
Amuro is right-handed like Scar Akai.
He has the right body size, face shape, and height to disguise as Scar Akai.
He has an interest in the Mouri Detective Agency which makes sense because Scar Akai saw fit to keep Kogoro's cellphone number with him.
Amuro's hypothetical disguise suggestion in 795, a knit cap and long windbreaker, are articles of clothing Shuichi Akai and Scar Akai wear respectively.

Somehow this seems... familiar.
Also welcome back, last I saw you was the red shirts case.

[Blaze of Glory]

[quote="Chekhov MacGuffin"]
[quote="Blaze of Glory"]

Spoiler:

Amuro is Scar Akai and Bourbon

Here's Detective Conanworld's theory on why:

Scar Akai almost certainly isn't in the FBI or CIA because there isn't a single beneficial reason to wander about in the open disguised as Akai, and doing so risks compromising Hidemi who is an asset to both aforementioned agencies. Civilians around where Scar Akai appears are also put at risk of becoming collateral damage should the Black Organization attack. The obvious remaining choices are that Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization or a third party.

If Scar Akai is a member of a third party, then perhaps he is trying to lure the Black Organization out with a disguise because he knows Akai was a serious threat to them and apparently died; however, this means the hypothetical third party Scar Akai doesn't care about or doesn't know about Hidemi Hondou being a spy. If a third party was interested in luring out the Black Organization, then simply appearing as Akai somewhere would be enough. Specifically appearing with FBI agents puts the agents at risk as well as endangering any civilians that happen to be around. Since most third party intelligence or police organizations like Interpol or the PSIA would be allied with the FBI or the CIA, they would avoid doing this. Another issue is that the existence of Interpol, PSIA, or any other agency investigating the Black Organization has not been hinted as was the case with the FBI in the Vermouth arc[9] or CIA in the Kir arc.[10] It is possible that Scar Akai may be a member of a rival criminal organization, but again there is no evidence of one existing. Finally, third parties run into the problem of how exactly they found out about the circumstances of Akai’s death well enough to time their agent’s arrival and appearance to match Akai. In conclusion, the most likely option is Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization.
[edit] If Scar Akai is a Black Organization operative, then he is most likely Bourbon.

At the Beika department store case, Scar Akai was present at the same time as all the other known codenamed Black Organization members except Bourbon (and the boss). Assuming Scar Akai is a member of the Black Organization, Bourbon is the logical choice. Kir noted that Bourbon is skilled at deduction, a trait that scar Akai shows by solving the red shirt's case and figuring out the bank robber's plans.[11] Bourbon doesn't believe Akai is dead,[12] so it makes sense that Bourbon would create a plan to discover if the real Akai is alive. Gin also described him as secretive[12] which is demonstrated when Gin, not knowing that Bourbon was in disguise as Akai with a burn, set up snipers to kill him thinking he is the real Akai.

Bourbon disguises as scar Akai to discover if the real Akai faked his death

Bourbon, with the boss's approval and Vermouth's help, has disguised as scar Akai and is observing the FBI agents' reactions to his sudden appearances in order to gauge whether the FBI believe Akai is dead or helped him with a fake death plan.
[edit] Bourbon's motive - He doesn't believe Akai is dead.

Gin and Vodka saw Akai’s “assassinationâ€

[赤井秀一 (Akai Shuichi)]

After reading it once, but painstakingly, I agree to Blaze of Glory's theory without exception. My compliments to you—you have presented a sound argumentation which leaves nothing to be desired. I'd love to have it translated into Japanese, pay Gosho a visit, have him read it and comment on it.

[Kor]

After reading it once, but painstakingly, I agree to Blaze of Glory's theory without exception. My compliments to you—you have presented a sound argumentation which leaves nothing to be desired. I'd love to have it translated into Japanese, pay Gosho a visit, have him read it and comment on it.

Correction!
This isn't Blaze of Glory's theory. As it was said in his post, it was copied from the Detective Conan World's wiki.
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Main_Page

To avoid future confusions, here is a simple guideline in case you are posting someone else's theory:
Link to the original article the theory (or theories) was taken from. If it's a forum, link to the original post and give credit to the original poster as well.

(Abs. - how about adding something along those lines to the sticky guidelines topic?)

[赤井秀一 (Akai Shuichi)]

Oh, my fault. Seems like I hadn't read the post as carefully as I thought I had. Even so, it doesn't dampen my euphoria about it.

[skyechan]

Oh, my fault. Seems like I hadn't read the post as carefully as I thought I had. Even so, it doesn't dampen my euphoria about it.

Yeah, everyone around here knows Chekhov is the deduction theory queen. ^^; She painstakingly compiled her findings on to that wiki entry.