Akai (SPOILERS)

[randompi314159]

BTW why does Bourbon have a grudge against Akai (according to Gin in episode 580 and 581) if he is only a new member to the Black Organisation.   

He could've disliked him for his demeanor while at the org as well as his skills and his missions, as mentioned in the post above.

[SZ5531]

yep, i agree that boubon could be jealous of akai and see him as a rival, similar to gin.

[Shuusgirl]

yep, i agree that boubon could be jealous of akai and see him as a rival, similar to gin.

Awww, but that's so boring!  No, Bourbon was in love with Akemi too, and when she started dating Akai Bourbon started to hate him.
Especially because he was just some desk clerk with no real skills and Rye was amazing and didn't even know who he was.  And didn't recognize him as the guy he always debriefed to at the annual B.O. Goth Convention. 

[AICHAN]

yep, i agree that boubon could be jealous of akai and see him as a rival, similar to gin.

Awww, but that's so boring!  No, Bourbon was in love with Akemi too, and when she started dating Akai Bourbon started to hate him.

ohh,please,not a love story again...there's enough love stories in DC,so can we let the BO out of them?

[kkslider5552000]

yep, i agree that boubon could be jealous of akai and see him as a rival, similar to gin.

Awww, but that's so boring!  No, Bourbon was in love with Akemi too, and when she started dating Akai Bourbon started to hate him.
Especially because he was just some desk clerk with no real skills and Rye was amazing and didn't even know who he was.  And didn't recognize him as the guy he always debriefed to at the annual B.O. Goth Convention.  :D

so you're solution for Bourbon's motive to be less boring is a love triangle....what

[Shuusgirl]

yep, i agree that boubon could be jealous of akai and see him as a rival, similar to gin.

Awww, but that's so boring!  No, Bourbon was in love with Akemi too, and when she started dating Akai Bourbon started to hate him.
Especially because he was just some desk clerk with no real skills and Rye was amazing and didn't even know who he was.  And didn't recognize him as the guy he always debriefed to at the annual B.O. Goth Convention.  :D

so you're solution for Bourbon's motive to be less boring is a love triangle....what

I was just reeeeeeally tired last night.  But I hope that the motive is different than just, "Akai's amazing, I'm jealous" or "Akai gets all the missions" or whatever.  I hope it's something that we couldn't figure out yet.

[Pnaq]

I'm a bit puzzled about the "death" of Akai. I think he's alive. I don't know if some of you have already, though I'm pretty sure of it, brought these up.

1) I mean, there was found a body in that car, but was it Akai? And HOW they got the fingerprints from that burnt body? Well, I'm not expert with those things. I know there's a cell phone in the pocket, but would that phone be in a propriate condition after the fire? And It's enough, if Akai  has touched the phone, so there'd be his finger prints. And it's not that hard to prevent that the corpse's fingerprints won't get to the phone. And you can prevent it with something that will be destroyed in the fire.

2) Why did 'Akai' keep his hands in his pockets, while Kir shot him?, or was made to look like she shot him?

3) What happened to the body of that Rikumichi of the BO? He drove out of the rode and shot himself to the head. Akai was also shot to his head by Kir. In vol. 59, when Jodie goes to make sure it was Akai, who died, Takagi tells that There are many mysteries about that body... With that I think the body, that was found, wasn't Akai; it was Rikumichi.

4) Then the cops. Gin wonders it a bit, but doesn't have time to think it out more and he was 'prooving' the death of Akai. It was dark, so I think it'd be very easy to stage a fake death. And cos the cops came, Gin didn't have time to investigate the place either.

5) I wondered Kir's words a lot, too. "Please.. Don't think badly of me.." I mean that for whom and why were they meant? I think it's pretty sure they were meant for Akai. And the reason she said it was that it doesn't work if they're both 'alive', I mean officially. So it was better that Akai was the one who'd 'die'. And those words sounds a bit selfish, don't they?

Thank you

[sstimson]

I'm a bit puzzled about the "death" of Akai. I think he's alive. I don't know if some of you have already, though I'm pretty sure of it, brought these up.

1) I mean, there was found a body in that car, but was it Akai? And HOW they got the fingerprints from that burnt body? Well, I'm not expert with those things. I know there's a cell phone in the pocket, but would that phone be in a propriate condition after the fire? And It's enough, if Akai  has touched the phone, so there'd be his finger prints. And it's not that hard to prevent that the corpse's fingerprints won't get to the phone. And you can prevent it with something that will be destroyed in the fire.

2) Why did 'Akai' keep his hands in his pockets, while Kir shot him?, or was made to look like she shot him?

3) What happened to the body of that Rikumichi of the BO? He drove out of the rode and shot himself to the head. Akai was also shot to his head by Kir. In vol. 59, when Jodie goes to make sure it was Akai, who died, Takagi tells that There are many mysteries about that body... With that I think the body, that was found, wasn't Akai; it was Rikumichi.

4) Then the cops. Gin wonders it a bit, but doesn't have time to think it out more and he was 'prooving' the death of Akai. It was dark, so I think it'd be very easy to stage a fake death. And cos the cops came, Gin didn't have time to investigate the place either.

5) I wondered Kir's words a lot, too. "Please.. Don't think badly of me.." I mean that for whom and why were they meant? I think it's pretty sure they were meant for Akai. And the reason she said it was that it doesn't work if they're both 'alive', I mean officially. So it was better that Akai was the one who'd 'die'. And those words sounds a bit selfish, don't they?

Thank you

Yes Adding to an old threat

1) I theorized that an Police Car waiting for the right time to show up likely planted the body, Akai likely pulled a camel and got out before the blast. As Akai being alive that could set thing up to make the phone look like Akai and the Body was his. BUT AS Akai is alive, we believe (after all this is still a theory right) the body could not be the alive body of Akai, so a trick is needed to make the body match the prints, one theory being the Bo searcher in the hospital looking for Kir. It would in theory be his body and phone.

2) Akai needed to be very still, because a sudden movement might have killed him. I am now of the option that at the very last moment Kir moved the gun point at his head and fired it so the bullet would graze his cheek, leaving behind a very real burn. Akai put his hands in his pockets as to be as still as possible.

3) See #1 and Yes it is a possible theory though it really does not matter.

4) That is part of an earlier theory of mine. That "police" car is really agents ready to help fake Akai death. They are only waiting for the right moment to move and "discover" the event.

5)I believe they might be Kir asked to be forgiven for putting Akai through real pain. She needed to say them very softly so they would not later reach Gin's ears. I learned that Kir's camera and Gi's viewing is not real time. In Episode 425 Gin or Vodka says they are sorry the images are not live as they wish they could watch it live. 

[Abs.]

In Episode 425 Gin or Vodka says they are sorry the images are not live as they wish they could watch it live.   

This is incorrect.

Kir said to Gin, "You saw it with your own eyes"
And Gin corrected her, "No, it wasn't with my own eyes, it was through a camera"

It was live.

Why would they not make it a live feed? What possible reason would Gin have to be, "Oh, I'm going to let you edit this video before you give it to me" and why would Gin and Vodka even need to be there, across the way (remember the Porshe parked on the other side of the cliff?) if it wasn't going to be a live feed?

[sstimson]

Chapter 501 page 13
Vodka said "Too bad it's not a live" with a note saying live is short for live broadcast

If that camera is the same one as in the Akai death, that might mean the broadcast is delayed right?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

In Episode 425 Gin or Vodka says they are sorry the images are not live as they wish they could watch it live.  

This is incorrect.

Kir said to Gin, "You saw it with your own eyes"
And Gin corrected her, "No, it wasn't with my own eyes, it was through a camera"

It was live.

Why would they not make it a live feed? What possible reason would Gin have to be, "Oh, I'm going to let you edit this video before you give it to me" and why would Gin and Vodka even need to be there, across the way (remember the Porshe parked on the other side of the cliff?) if it wasn't going to be a live feed?

That and how would Gin be able to give orders and Kir be able to follow Gin's orders if it wasn't a live feed? The live thing in episode 425 was referring to the news cameras, not Kir's BO spy cam which was also live. Vodka was hoping the news stations would be recording live so that anyone watching the news would see Domon murdered on live TV.

Chapter 501 page 13
Vodka said "Too bad it's not a live" with a note saying live is short for live broadcast

If that camera is the same one as in the Akai death, that might mean the broadcast is delayed right?

A second or two delay is possible, but it obviously isn't delayed by more than that because Gin issued orders that Kir obeyed right away both at Haido Park and at Raiha pass. If there was a delay, there would be a gap of time between order and response.

[Abs.]

Chapter 501 page 13
Vodka said "Too bad it's not a live" with a note saying live is short for live broadcast

If that camera is the same one as in the Akai death, that might mean the broadcast is delayed right?

The live thing in episode 425 was referring to the news cameras, not Kir's BO spy cam which was also live. Vodka was hoping the news stations would be recording live so that anyone watching the news would see Domon murdered on live TV.

^ changed the positioning of Chek's reply to make my brain happy

[Suutashi]

Chapter 501 page 13
Vodka said "Too bad it's not a live" with a note saying live is short for live broadcast

If that camera is the same one as in the Akai death, that might mean the broadcast is delayed right?

The live thing in episode 425 was referring to the news cameras, not Kir's BO spy cam which was also live. Vodka was hoping the news stations would be recording live so that anyone watching the news would see Domon murdered on live TV.

^ changed the positioning of Chek's reply to make my brain happy

^ I have no idea why but Abs.'s reply made me crack up laughing.

[sstimson]

I'm a bit puzzled about the "death" of Akai. I think he's alive. I don't know if some of you have already, though I'm pretty sure of it, brought these up.

1) I mean, there was found a body in that car, but was it Akai? And HOW they got the fingerprints from that burnt body? Well, I'm not expert with those things. I know there's a cell phone in the pocket, but would that phone be in a propriate condition after the fire? And It's enough, if Akai  has touched the phone, so there'd be his finger prints. And it's not that hard to prevent that the corpse's fingerprints won't get to the phone. And you can prevent it with something that will be destroyed in the fire.

2) Why did 'Akai' keep his hands in his pockets, while Kir shot him?, or was made to look like she shot him?

3) What happened to the body of that Rikumichi of the BO? He drove out of the rode and shot himself to the head. Akai was also shot to his head by Kir. In vol. 59, when Jodie goes to make sure it was Akai, who died, Takagi tells that There are many mysteries about that body... With that I think the body, that was found, wasn't Akai; it was Rikumichi.

4) Then the cops. Gin wonders it a bit, but doesn't have time to think it out more and he was 'prooving' the death of Akai. It was dark, so I think it'd be very easy to stage a fake death. And cos the cops came, Gin didn't have time to investigate the place either.

5) I wondered Kir's words a lot, too. "Please.. Don't think badly of me.." I mean that for whom and why were they meant? I think it's pretty sure they were meant for Akai. And the reason she said it was that it doesn't work if they're both 'alive', I mean officially. So it was better that Akai was the one who'd 'die'. And those words sounds a bit selfish, don't they?

Thank you

Yes Adding to an old threat

1) I theorized that an Police Car waiting for the right time to show up likely planted the body, Akai likely pulled a camel and got out before the blast. As Akai being alive that could set thing up to make the phone look like Akai and the Body was his. BUT AS Akai is alive, we believe (after all this is still a theory right) the body could not be the alive body of Akai, so a trick is needed to make the body match the prints, one theory being the Bo searcher in the hospital looking for Kir. It would in theory be his body and phone.

2) Akai needed to be very still, because a sudden movement might have killed him. I am now of the option that at the very last moment Kir moved the gun point at his head and fired it so the bullet would graze his cheek, leaving behind a very real burn. Akai put his hands in his pockets as to be as still as possible.

3) See #1 and Yes it is a possible theory though it really does not matter.

4) That is part of an earlier theory of mine. That "police" car is really agents ready to help fake Akai death. They are only waiting for the right moment to move and "discover" the event.

5)I believe they might be Kir asked to be forgiven for putting Akai through real pain. She needed to say them very softly so they would not later reach Gin's ears. I learned that Kir's camera and Gi's viewing is not real time. In Episode 425 Gin or Vodka says they are sorry the images are not live as they wish they could watch it live.  

Ok Ok I am convinced and will fix #5 above

5)I believe they might be Kir asked to be forgiven for putting Akai through real pain. She needed to say them very softly so they would not later reach Gin's ears. I learned that Kir's camera and Gi's viewing is not real time. In Episode 425 Gin or Vodka says they are sorry the images are not live as they wish they could watch it live.

First part I wonder about. First time Akai is shoot is in a Bullet proof vest. I am not sure how much that would sting. Second time I believe Akai is GRAZED, not shot by the head shot. The manga seems to show the pistol to one side of the head, not arriving above the head as it would if Kir had really done the Head shot. As either blanks or real bullets kill, that shot must have been timed to move the gun so the bullet will graze and burn his cheek just like Scar. That is a major reason why I believe that Scar is Akai, the simple answer being the best. I also noticed that Kir's words look to be more a thought bubble that the one used for words. In other words, she is think those words "Please.. Don't think badly of me." and the best reason for that is she is sorry she had to burn him. Kir's camera is live but delayed and even though Chek said it could only be a second or two, I have a feeling it might have been delayed by as much as 15 seconds. After all it needs to record, change the recording into a state where it can be transmitted, transmit that image, recreate it to a form that can be seen, and then scanned on to the screen one pixel at a time. All that takes time and the way the page is setup you can not see truly the time. You only see either the start or the end not both of them. While it look like all events are happening within seconds of each other, you can not see the amount of time between the sender and receiver. You do not see both the sender and receiver at the same time you see one or the other not both. So I admit that It could not take longer then several seconds, but there is some delay between the two times, or in other words live but with a delay.

And with a few definitions, I will show that live does not mean always "at that moment"

1) from

adv.
At, during, or from the time of actual occurrence or performance: The landing on the moon was telecast live.

Note that FROM. A live event is not always watched live.

2) from

adverb
(of a radio or television program) at the moment of its happening or being performed; not on tape or by prerecording: a program broadcast live.

Mind you some might say I am changing the definition here. What I am saying is this: one could record a live event. The event was still live but the recording of it is not, yet by the first example, it is still a live event because it happened LIVE. if you time shift a live event, the event is still live even if you only get the watch the recording a month later. To try and make this point a little clearer - Event live, recording or rebroadcast, time shifting of live is not longer live by the above definition.

So the shooting of Akai is live. When Gin was watching it was no longer live as it was for certain delayed at least a few seconds.

3)

   involving an appearance or performance in person, rather than a filmed or recorded one; transmitted during the actual performance: a live broadcast; recorded at a public performance

Again note what is missing. It says Transmitted, not received. A received one during the actual performance is not live. You watching a Live performance but not being at the live performance is not live.

It all depending on your definition of Live. I will close with a question: Is a received broadcast of a live broadcast still live? I answer that this way: If it is not current or happening at the same second, it is not live.

And now I am going to add an old idea of mine

Chekhov has the belief that those Police cars were called to the scene to make Gin be scared and leave. She has the idea they are normal police and all need to be setup before they arrive.

Now my view

Those police cars are waiting to move. They have in them either FBI or CIA and are just waiting to scare Gin and then setup the scene. As they are in on it no tricks are needed. They arrive put the body down, set up the bomb and have all they need to allow the Tv crews who are then called in to make it look more real. No moving the body needed no old BO body needed. They knowing the plan use the higher rank to ask the normal Fingerprints experts to leave and then make the report say what they want, that is the report that gets back to Jodie again marking Akai death look even more real.

As for bullets being blank or real as I said above, that no longer matters. The first bullet hits the bag and the fake blood inside comes out at that point. The second shot is setup to just graze Akai and a shot like that no longer needs to be blanks.It could have been a real bullet that grazed Akai face.

[DetectiveConanGeekster21]

No, I don't think he's dead...after all, the female FBI agent saw him in a building, but didn't get a clear look at him. I forget her name...O.o