Kogorous Riddle Thread and eworms Deduction Thread

[sstimson]

@C-squared -  not sure I can answer you without giving the game away

@Eworm - I think at the time I was making up name (bad at it) I was thinking JP Getty

and Wiki makes those letters to be John Paul see here.

[eworm]

A NEW ERA OF INTERNET JUST STARTED!!




After many, many years of waiting...




Even the most patient ones gave up long time ago...




But the time has finally come!




It is here!




EWORM HAS A NEW AVATAR!!

Yes, I know, I'm overreacting.
Or am I?
You know, for me it is really something.
A moving experience...

Let's dwell into my past a little. It's going to be Brain-Frying - exactly what you love the most.

This guy was representing me on the Internet for incredibly long time. Since I can remember, it was always this guy. Even when the nick "eworm" had been taken and I had to use a different one (unthinkable!), it was still Christopher Tungsten who was my avatar, nobody else.

"Who's Christopher Tungsten?", you ask? The avatar was at first just a drawing of a character to my planned novel. The character was named Christopher Tungsten - and even though the novel never came to existence, he's still alive. He's been undergoing many changes in character. His family has been changing, his environment, his adventures. Yet he's always been the main character, whenever I planned to write a criminal novel. Even now I have an awesome scenario for him. Hopefully I'll write this one.

Why the change? Well, I actually wanted to do it for quite some time. I mean, whenever I looked at him, I thought of how old it is. Even if I were to draw him again, it'd come out better than the drawing from the past. And I like to surprise people and myself. But unfortunately, since that time I've become an incredible perfectionist. I'm unable to feel content about my own works, not only drawings. Whatever I did just wasn't good enough for the avatar I'd be using everywhere on the Internet. It was a terrible experience.

But, as you can see, I finally drew something good enough. And guess what? It's the protagonist of a series of absurd-comedy novels I wrote. It is a fitting change for good old Tungsten. Especially that this time the protagonist was an Author Avatar type of character - so I drew a cartooned version of myself, basically. It's suited to be representing me on the world-wide web.

He's name's Papa Ragraf. No, it's not a "father" kind of "papa". Instead of humans, I wrote about "Papas" - a funny creatures representing me and my friends, teachers, fictional characters (like Papa Sparrow) or stereotypes (for example Papa Emo). They even had their own god, Papa Of Papas:

Many Papas' names were puns and my Papa Ragraf is no exception. In Polish (well of course I wrote in Polish, what did you expect?) the word "paragraf" means... well, "paragraph". As in text. So I made it "paparagraf" -> "Papa Ragraf". Because he's a world-known writer, just so you know.

Yeah, they were based on Smurfs at first, hence the "Papa" - it's from Papa Smurf. But Papas evolved and became something much more than a Smurfs-ripoff. They stopped resembling Smurfs on the outside too. You wouldn't believe how very... Brain-Frying their story has become. Three novels in total! With about 40 unique characters, each one playing a very important role! And there was a cat! So yeah, I need to Polish (it's a pun!) my skills and write about them again. And publish it. For serious.

And it's time for me to realize it has little to do with my avatar change and that I'm boring you to death. Sorry.
So yeah, say goodbye to Christopher Tungsten, my long-time friend. He won't be forgotten. I've put him in my signature for now.

And say a cheerful "HELLO!" to Papa Ragraf.
I mean it.
No, seriously.
Say it.

[Kogorou]

Wow... just WOW!
*gives out a beer*
Welcome to the new age eworm

So we are at sstimsons Riddle right?

[sstimson]

we prefer to call it a Mini Mystery. And any answer, that can be proven will be called right. Yes I do have a certain idea on how it was done. But Goose and Gander. I have said a few times that Kogorou and Eworms should have difference answers. Well unlike them if you can prove your answer could happen (as in show your work) I will say you solved it, and also tell you my thoughts. After all it might be possible that there could be more then one right answer.

Part one has been solved.

We are waiting for a good answer to part two and so far the answers I got require either the house to burn down and all in it killed, or the bad guys seen by the police and arrested. As for C-square you are close as are a lot of answers but missing a critical part. Anyway keep them coming.

[eworm]

Spoiler:

Kogorou is behind it all. When he shouted "My diamond's gone!", everybody looked at him. Then his accomplice - who had the real diamond, not a fake one like Kogorou - could hide it in the bowl.

Still excited.

[Kogorou]

Part I:

Spoiler:

It's in the punch bowl now

part 2:

Spoiler:

Since the diamond melted and must have been some kind of ice or ice like material.
Given the fact that is was around the neck, i figure it hand on the chest, the body heat caused the material to melt.
Right at the moment where JP was about to grab some bowl, the force of the movement caused the material to crack and it went right into the bowl.

[Kogorou]

So ... we are waiting for sstimson...

[sstimson]

Ok Let end one item. Kogorou did not steal the diamond - Too many Police. And before the guest arrived the diamond on Kogorou was found to be a real diamond, not cold ice, but (pun time) maybe cool ice. Again it if diamond had melted, this would be a murder mystery. Diamonds melt at 3550 degrees Celcuis. See here. To make you understand how hot that is - The temperature of the outer layer of the sun is 6000Degrees Celcuis.

I will spell out part one in a spoiler

Spoiler:

The Diamond ( and it is REAL Diamond ) is currently hidden in the Mineral Water Punch bowl. It only looks like piece of ice. If the Diamond was fake and a piece of ice, then the real diamond could not be found by letting the ice melt. Also remember a body search was done with the diamond not found.

You are going to kick your selves when you learn how simple it was for to diamond to end up in the bowl. Time to think outside the box. Some of you have got parts right but others parts are wrong. It should be easy to figure out. Using what you do know and rereading the Mini Mystery yet again should give you the solution.

Sorry about the wait. Finally my off again- on again computer FINALLY left safe mode and I am now back to normal. Thanks for waiting.

[Suutashi]

Spoiler:

Part one has already been solved so why bother copying it here. As for part two...The clasp the diamond was on simply broke and the diamond fell in the punch bowl when JP Kogoro went to fill his cup.

[sstimson]

Spoiler:

Part one has already been solved so why bother copying it here. As for part two...The clasp the diamond was on simply broke and the diamond fell in the punch bowl when JP Kogoro went to fill his cup.

so people like you would figure it out.

You Got IT!

Spoiler:

It happen just like that. The holder / clasp on the diamond broke while they were leaning over the punch bowl.

It did not melt like K said. And Now that it solved I can answer c-Squared

So, the diamond started around JP Kogorou's neck, but when he cried out, it was no longer around his neck, is that correct?

Yes

If two police were watching the diamond and the person wearing it, did they see the diamond disappear from around JP's neck?

No. and why is coming.

If they didn't, was their vision of the diamond ever interrupted?

They blinked. This event happened that fast. if you blinked you miss it. And I did not say this and maybe should have but in spots the ice was higher then the water. that is why no splash. It landed in a pile of ice above the water

[Suutashi]

Spoiler:

Part one has already been solved so why bother copying it here. As for part two...The clasp the diamond was on simply broke and the diamond fell in the punch bowl when JP Kogoro went to fill his cup.

so people like you would figure it out.

You Got IT!

Spoiler:

It happen just like that. The holder / clasp on the diamond broke while they were leaning over the punch bowl.

It did not melt like K said. And Now that it solved I can answer c-Squared

So, the diamond started around JP Kogorou's neck, but when he cried out, it was no longer around his neck, is that correct?

Yes

If two police were watching the diamond and the person wearing it, did they see the diamond disappear from around JP's neck?

No. and why is coming.

If they didn't, was their vision of the diamond ever interrupted?

They blinked. This event happened that fast. if you blinked you miss it. And I did not say this and maybe should have but in spots the ice was higher then the water. that is why no splash. It landed in a pile of ice above the water

I'll get to work on my riddle ASAP.  ;D
[Edit] This is going to take me a while so could someone go ahead and post something to tide everyone over until I'm done?

[c-square]

If they didn't, was their vision of the diamond ever interrupted?

They blinked. This event happened that fast. if you blinked you miss it.

I can believe it happened so quickly that one would miss it if one blinked.  However, I can't believe that he was able to time it so that it happened when both police watching him blinked simultaneously.  There is no way he could keep track of both police officers' eyes at once, let alone react fast enough once one blinked to check the other one to see if (s)he was blinking and then pop the clasp.  Moreover, the police would notice if he was staring at them all night.

And if the clasp broke by accident, there's still the problem of the simultaneous blinking.  The probability of two random people blinking at exactly the same time is pretty small.  The chance of a clasp accidentally breaking at exactly the moment when two random people are blinking is ridiculously minute!

[sstimson]

If they didn't, was their vision of the diamond ever interrupted?

They blinked. This event happened that fast. if you blinked you miss it.

I can believe it happened so quickly that one would miss it if one blinked.  However, I can't believe that he was able to time it so that it happened when both police watching him blinked simultaneously.  There is no way he could keep track of both police officers' eyes at once, let alone react fast enough once one blinked to check the other one to see if (s)he was blinking and then pop the clasp.  Moreover, the police would notice if he was staring at them all night.

And if the clasp broke by accident, there's still the problem of the simultaneous blinking.  The probability of two random people blinking at exactly the same time is pretty small.  The chance of a clasp accidentally breaking at exactly the moment when two random people are blinking is ridiculously minute!

First it was a accident, no planning. Next what about this. One person blinks, before his eyes are completely open again, the second party starts their blink. While a blink is indeed an incredible short span of time, some time does pass. It is possible that even if their blinks were not at the same time, the blink for a very short time could overlap. Also while one is watching the diamond, at that moment the others eye might have wandered and so they missed it. After all we all have seen magic tricks where a coin seem to appear from nowhere, and while all see the same thing, we still miss the REAL trick. Time and sight can be a funny thing.

[Suutashi]

Forgive me if this isn't a very good riddle. This the first one I've ever written.

Spoiler: The Riddle

 Nakamori-keibu and the Kaitou Kid task force are in for a challenge that is both unique and unusual. Instead of Kid's usual practice of sending his heist note to its designated targets first, he's sent the heist note to the Kaitou Kid Task Force before he's even announced it to his target. It's uncertain why Kid has chosen to send his heist note to the Task Force first before his intended target, which hasn't even the slightest idea that there's even a heist in the first place. However, Nakamori-keibu has deemed that whatever the reason may be as unimportant, for now that is, because deciphering the heist note has precedence over what could just the obnoxious thief being a brat. When Nakamori-keibu and his task force started to look over the heist note they first noticed one thing that is different from almost all of Kid's previous heist notes in the past: this heist note doesn't state any specific target. So not only did they have to figure out the time and the date of the heist, they also had to figure out what Kid was even after.
      One of Nakamori-keibu's men walks in carrying a cardboard box containing a 2011 calender, a Japanese dictionary, books on gem stones, mythology reference books, Kaitou Kid case files and a lunar cycle chart as is standard for solving Kid's heist note. One portion of the Kid task force works on deciphering the heist note while the rest are either on the phone or scouring the internet in order to find out which gems were currently on display.

The note read as such:

I seek change during the last moment I may catch my breath before escaping the approaching fire beneath water's protective embrace. It is one of the three that is a section of the twelve. Seek not tradition but that of modern days. My candle has begun to melt so its light has begun to fade from its brightest.

Spoiler: The Hints

So far Nakamori-keibu and his men have only figured this much out:

1.The stone Kid seeks likely has no title as none was given in the heist note.
2.The stone is either associated with a sign of the zodiac or is likely a birthstone.


              Modern Birthstone(s)                    Traditional/Ancient Birthstone(s):
January   Garnet                                           Garnet
February  Amethyst                                      Amethyst
March       Aquamarine/Bloodstone               Jasper
April         Diamond                                        Sapphire
May          Emerald                                         Agate
June         Pearl, Moonstone, Alexandrite      Emerald
July          Ruby                                              Onyx
August     Peridot/Sardonyx                           Carnelian
September Sapphire                                      Chrysolite
October      Opal/Tourmaline                          Aquamarine
November    Topaz                                        Topaz
December     Tanzanite/Zircon/Turquoise       Ruby

Spoiler: What must be answered

Now you must answer this:

1.What kind of stone is Kid seeking?
2.What day will the heist take place? The answer must read Month/Day/Day of the week.

[eworm]

When Nakamori-keibu and his task force started to look over the heist note they first noticed one thing that is different from almost all of Kid's previous heist notes in the past: this heist note doesn't state any specific target.

Actually it happened once before :3

Well, well, it seems interesting how people start to create more... advanced riddles.