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Technically the reply 999 is the thousandth post :)

  Well, if we're talking about a murder, we need a culprit. And the culprit would be B. And the evidence against him would be that he left his hospital just after A left (there are probably many witnesses) and tailed him.
  So if we just prove it was murder, proving that the culprit was B will be nothing difficult. right?
  The question is - why would B murder A? And why in a moving train of all places?!
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But my dear detective. Note this: The Riddle did not say he was found on the train. That idea comes from the belief that he would have killed himself while in the tunnel. But how did he die and did he have time?

Bullet trains are very common. If he was on a bullet train even the longest tunnel they would only be in it for about a max of ten minutes. Is that enough time to kill one self?

I am of the option it was done elsewhere. Too many people on a train.
Another reason for murder. Someone would have either stopped him or got him help.

I agree the Doctor is the mostly likely suspect.
So how did B knock out A?
Was It done off or on the train?
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Okay.

  It's almost impossible for the murder to have taken place in a train. With so much people around? Besides the culprit may have been unable to escape (depending on how people would have reacted).
  In that case A was killed elsewhere and then brought into the moving train by the culprit. In that case he couldn't have looked dead - maybe the doctor made him look like a drunk sleeping friend whom he helps get into the train.
  Drowning, suffocating, stabbing, beating to death - all out of the question. The killing method that doesn't make the victim look clearly dead is poisoning. It's not unusual for people to commit suicide that way, it could be done even in a train with a lot of people around, no problem.
  And while this supports the suicide theory, it also - if we think in terms of a murder - points towards the doctor as the culprit. He probably knows a lot about it and has access to some of them. And of course he could have easily make A swallow some "medicine", right?

In fact B didn't have to leave the hospital. He could've given A some "medicine" and maybe even tell him that it prevents motion sickness that may occur in a train after regaining the ability to see... Or some bullshit like that.
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Agreed BUT

If too many things point to him, the Doc plan would fall apart. Also he an eye doctor not a GP why would you taken for example stomach medicine from a eye doctor. But if You meant something the Doctor might have put in the eye drops, then yes.

If You are going to say A was dead boarding the train then show that. I look at it the other way. A was killed after leaving the train. Before leaves too many opening for others to find the dead A. After leaving the train is much safer.

My idea of how A was murdered by B still looks the best. When you think of suicide you might thing of hanging, jumping off building, poison, or jumping onto the area where a train is about to enter.

Building in this case would be difficult in this case because no convenient buildings appear to be in the area.
It would be hard to jump under a train from a moving train. So that kind takes out two, leaving two. As this death seems to be a quick decision that makes poison unlikely unless he had it for some reason. That should make hanging the most likely.

Another thought is to remember the Doctor is trying to make it look like suicide. Use of drugs might get traced back to him and it might become a murder. The doctor I think would be smart enough to avoid using anything that might make him a suspect.  
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Building in this case would be difficult in this case because no convenient buildings appear to be in the area.
How do you know that?
Also he an eye doctor not a GP why would you taken for example stomach medicine from a eye doctor.
I explained that. Doctor being a doctor could make up some plausible-sounding bullshit about motion sicknesses after regaining sight or whatnot.
As this death seems to be a quick decision that makes poison unlikely unless he had it for some reason. That should make hanging the most likely.
It's the other way round. It's more likely for A to have had something possibly poisonous (he visited a hospital just before, B might have made it look like A stole something) on him than a rope. Freakin' rope? Why would a person not planning a suicide walk around the city with a rope?

Actually wouldn't A have a dog or some acquaintance with him?  He was still blind when going to the hospital after all.

Also there are cases when a person stabbed in the back doesn't even notice that and dies after walking for a few minutes. That's another option. The doctor followed A, stabbed him before he boarded the train... And A died in the train.
If You are going to say A was dead boarding the train then show that. I look at it the other way. A was killed after leaving the train.
Without knowing where A died we can continue creating theories forever. The original answer said that A died in the train.
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sstimson wrote: Now lets hear your deductions. Give your evidence and explain why it was suicide or murder. Like I said earlier, too many that is really murder. Think of it this way. You are reading the newspaper report. But can you prove it?
It was both suicide and murder, and I can prove it.

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Well yeah, if you look at it like that... But according to sstimson we don't know if A killed himself. If he didn't, it is only murder, not suicide.
According to your explanation it was definitely murder but we don't know if it was suicide too.

Brain-Frying Riddle #4 is ready! I think it is a bit easy but at the same time quite complicated...
BRAIN-FRYING TEASER A was the title - "The Vice-President's Scheme".
Now the time has come for the BRAIN-FRYING TEASER B: In the fourth BFR we get to meet Yoshimizu Outa's fishing pals!
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eworm wrote:
Brain-Frying Riddle #4 is ready! I think it is a bit easy but at the same time quite complicated...
BRAIN-FRYING TEASER A was the title - "The Vice-President's Scheme".
Now the time has come for the BRAIN-FRYING TEASER B: In the fourth BFR we get to meet Yoshimizu Outa's fishing pals!
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  It's going to be in the 1000th reply.
  Anybody knows where Kogorou is?
  sstimson, is it the end of your riddle?
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I am posting this for others. Please do not post here until Eworm drops his New Puzzle on us. I am also waiting. But I am sure Eworm is working on that message as we wait. I know first hand that long messages can take a long time. I am sure that soon it will be released. Remember he was hoping to be post 1000 and we are too close to that. So please leave no post in this thread until Eworm does his thing. That way He can get his wish. If you need to leave a comment please for now leave it Here Thanks again

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BRAIN-FRYING RIDDLE #4
The Vice-President's Scheme
It's been a long time and many posts but finally here it is, detectives! The fourth Brain-Frying Riddle, the fourth challenge! Clearly there's no better way to celebrate our thread's millennium! Again it's necessary for you to have read all the previous ones - you can easily find them in my signature. In order to solve this riddle, you'll have to incorporate all your knowledge and experience from the previous three Brain-Frying Riddles!
However, don't expect this one to be the same type of case... Up until now your task was to deduce the culprit, right? Well, this time that's the one thing you'll get to know from the start!

Misawa Tomoya decided to murder that person and he had just the plan. He shall do it during the trip organised by their fishing-club, the trip to their usual top-secret spot.  The club president Yoshimizu Outa isn't here. Well, recently he's got himself a girlfriend so it's nothing unusual. And thanks to that, Tomoya, being the vice-president, has been put in charge. Thus he can now decide how they'll spend the time. Great. After the last person arrived, he showed everybody the following plan for the day:

1. Setting up the tents.
2. Preparing the equipment and checking if both of the boats and the oars are safe to use.
3. First fishing at the lake:
― about an hour or an hour and a half;
― we will fish without getting into the boats.
― the two who catch the most fish will continue fishing in order to figure out the lake – the best fishing spots, the baits that would seem to be the best to use and the kinds of fish that are here;
― the rest shall take care of the dinner;
4. Dinner.
5. Second fishing at the lake:
― two-on-two competition with the teams divided however we'll want;
― the losing team has to wake up earlier the next day and prepare breakfast;
― about two and a half or three hours with several five-minutes breaks;
― we'll be fishing in the boats.
6. Random evening activities; chit-chats, card games, walks et cetera.
7. Sleeping time.

Here's the list of the club members:

A. Yoshimizu Outa (male), the best at fishing, the club's president. We know him well already ― he first appeared in BFR#2 and played a very important role in the BFR#3. At the moment he dates Anegasaki Ryouko. He's not partaking in the club trip this time, which is pretty unusual for him.

B. Misawa Tomoya (male), the club's vice-president and the second-best fisherman. He decided to kill one of the trip participants and it's him who decided on the activities. He used to date Akitake Sanae but this relationship didn't last very long. Had some serious trouble with money a year ago and worked as an assistant for Aoyamo Goshi (his father's old acquaintance) for about two months.

C. Akitake Sanae (female), quite pretty but also shy. Compared to the others, she's a beginner to fishing. She joined the club because of her boyfriend (now ex-boyfriend) Tomoya, and even though they broke up, she decided to stay. She still feels kind of uncomfortable around Tomoya so she tends to evade him. She is a great cook (works in a restaurant) and though not very strong, she enjoys hiking. Sometimes she would walk in her sleep.

D. Aizawa Shinichi (male), bespectacled stoic, he's quite popular ― while in fact he often dozes off and usually has no idea what's going on around him. Not when he gambles though ― he's the master of keeping a poker face, thus earning a lot of his income through card games. Aside from that, he works at one of those popular karaoke places, having quite a voice himself. Old friend of Yoshimizu Outa with whom he formed the club.

E. Aoyamo Goshi (male), a famous and rich mangaka whose serialisation "Defective Cannon" has recently ended. He enjoys a break before starting a new series and has joined the club recently. His fishing-skills are not yet known, though he's known for being a great swimmer. He's still single and it doesn't seem like it's going to change anytime soon (well, mangaka's fate is a cruel fate).


What Tomoya doesn't know is that there's one club member that knows about him trying to kill...

Characters' Hints:
Tomoya: “I've already killed once and I can do it again!”
Sanae (over the phone): “I'm not going to die. It's not me who's in a hospital; worry about yourself!”
Shinichi: “Is it my imagination? Sanae seems somehow different than usual..?”
Goshi: “It's incredible how long the fishing line our vice-president prepared is.”

One of the Characters' Hints is incorrect – simply because the person giving it is mistaken. Keep that in mind!

Your job is to figure out several things:
a) The victim – who is Tomoya going to kill?
b) The time – when is he going to do it?
c) The motive – why does he want to kill?
d) The method - how is he going to do it?
e) The club member who knows – who is this person?

One more hint: the things you see is but the iceberg's tip. There is a lot going on behind the scenes.

As usual - your deductions go straight into my PM inbox. Everyone has a maximum of three tries like before. You can ask questions through PMs but it's up to me if I'll answer them - and if I do, it'll be here, public, so that everybody will know. This riddle is going to be active for about three weeks, I think. It's long, I know, but I also know it's not so easy. Use your imagination and don't let another Brain-Frying Riddle get away unsolved!
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can i ask a question?,
how can i add a spoiler inside a spoiler?
and/or add a name to the spoiler ?
like in kogorou's signature
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kidSherlock wrote: can i ask a question?,
how can i add a spoiler inside a spoiler?
due to how the forum does it, you can't. If you need to add a spoiler inside a spoiler, I'd recommend just using transparent text [ color=transparent ]like this, without the spaces in the first tag[/color]
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kidSherlock wrote: can i ask a question?,
how can i add a spoiler inside a spoiler?
and/or add a name to the spoiler ?
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Remember This is a Joke answer to the Latest Eworm's (Registered Trademark) Brain Busting Riddles  (EBBR)

A few things to remember.

    First, this is a what if answer. What if Aoyamo Goshi was Aoyamo Gosho and the mangaka “Defective Cannonâ€
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