Kogorous Riddle Thread and eworms Deduction Thread

[A.E.]

Sorry for suddenly disappearing

Is this riddle related to the Rhyme:

Jack and Jill went up the hill
to get a pill of water
Jack fell down
and broke his crown
and Jill came falling after

No. I only picked the names out of the blue, and because my cousin overuses those two names. And you still haven't answered my question, though.

Spoiler:

Does this riddle have to do with day and night?

P.S. Jack is a weird girl's name, and Jill is a weird guy's name, if they both have to be the same gender.

No.
and as I said earlier, gender is no concern.

Great!  More questions:

Spoiler: Answers to the diarrhoea of questions!!!! Sorry, I'm too lazy to answer them outside of the box.

1) Are Jack and Jill living beings? Yes.
2) Are Jack and Jill the same species? (It would be hard to be twins otherwise) Yes.
3) Do Jack and Jill have legs? Yes.
4) Do Jack and Jill have exactly two legs each? No.
5) Do Jack and Jill have exactly four legs each? Scientifically No; practically and colloquially, Yes (you get the point; it's like when we erroneously say a dog has 4 leg, whereas it really has two forelimbs and two hindlimbs).
6) Is either Jack or Jill a dog? No.
7) Is either Jack or Jill a horse? No.
8) When they race, do they race against each other? Yes.
9) When they race, do they race with each other on the same team against others? I'd like you to re-word that question please; more straight forewardly.
10) Is the race solely a competition between Jack and Jill? Yes.
11) Are there other racers in the competition besides Jack and Jill? No.
12) Is the race a competition? Too vague.[According to Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, "competition" means: "a situation in which people or organizations compete with each other for sth that not everyone can have"] Based on this definition, Yes.
13) Does the race take less than 30 seconds to complete? N/A
14) Does the race take less than 1 minute to complete? N/A
15) Does the race take less than 2 minutes to complete? N/A
16) Does the race take less than 5 minutes to complete? N/A
17) Does the race take less than 10 minutes to complete? N/A
18) Does the race take less than 30 minutes to complete? N/A
19) Does the race take less than 1 hour to complete? I'm gonna say Yes; it's a very reasonable guess, though.
20) Does the race take less than 5 hours to complete? Yes
21) Does the race take less than a day to complete? Yes
22) Does the race take more than a day to complete? No
23) Is this race an organized event? Too general; make the question more specific (you should qualify "event").
24) Is this race an spontaneous event? No
25) Do humans watch this race for entertainment? No, at least it's not intended to be. (I hate needing to answer with more than Yes/No, since it defies the fun part of the riddle; but the question could've been worded better like this: "Are humans supposed to watch this race for entertainment? ". And to that, it'd have been a straight "No".
26) Do humans make bets on this race? No
27) Do Jack and Jill start the race at the same time? Yes.
28) Does Jack always finish the race before Jill? [Hint: It'd be more favourable for you, if you make this question more direct, in Jill's perspective]
29) In this race, does winning mean to finish first? Yes
30) Does Jill always lose to Jack? Yes
31) Would it change the riddle significantly if it were said that "Jack always wins on top of Jill" as compared to "Jack always wins over Jill"? The former statement doesn't make any sense

I've revised my answers quite a few times to avoid any potential misunderstandings

[eworm]

Spoiler: Answer?

Jack and Jill are laboratory mice and they are racing in a labyrinth. Jack always finishes first for he is more intelligent.

Spoiler: Questions

1. Is it necessary to figure out exactly what kind of animals Jack and Jill are in order to solve the riddle?
2. Is it necessary to figure out the rules of their races in order to solve the riddle?
3. Do they always race in the same place, with the same route?
4. Is it necessary to figure out the place/the route in order to solve the riddle?
5. Is there any reward for the winner?
6. Does Jill always arrive at the finish line?
7. Does Jill always arrive at the finish line after Jack?
8. Do both of them come close or is there a big distance between them when Jack arrives at the finish line?
9. Is there a referee?
10. Do they have any specific reason to race?
11. Does somebody make them race?

Also:

12) Is the race a competition? Too vague.[According to Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, "competition" means: "a situation in which people or organizations compete with each other for sth that not everyone can have"] Based on this definition, Yes.

Based on this definition - NO.

[A.E.]

Spoiler: Answer?

Jack and Jill are laboratory mice and they are racing in a labyrinth. Jack always finishes first for he is more intelligent.

Ouch!!! you missed one part, though. You guessed it too quickly, though. Given the fact that you boldly gave an answer before the questions; you are in a suspicious situation, if you haven't realised it...

Spoiler: Questions; Answers

1. Is it necessary to figure out exactly what kind of animals Jack and Jill are in order to solve the riddle?Yes
2. Is it necessary to figure out the rules of their races in order to solve the riddle?Yes
3. Do they always race in the same place, with the same route?Yes
4. Is it necessary to figure out the place/the route in order to solve the riddle?Yes
5. Is there any reward for the winner?Yes
6. Does Jill always arrive at the finish line?No
7. Does Jill always arrive at the finish line after Jack?No
8. Do both of them come close or is there a big distance between them when Jack arrives at the finish line?How am I supposed to answer this w/ Yes/No
9. Is there a referee?of some sort, yes.
10. Do they have any specific reason to race?No
11. Does somebody make them race?Yes

Also:

12) Is the race a competition? Too vague.[According to Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary, "competition" means: "a situation in which people or organizations compete with each other for sth that not everyone can have"] Based on this definition, Yes.

Based on this definition - NO.

Ohhhhhh ! Now that's a very bold claim right there. However, you are messing with a hard-assed logophile.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, an "organization" is

1. a. The action of organizing, or condition of being organized, as a living being;
connexion and co-ordination of parts for vital functions or processes;
also, the way in which a living being is organized;
the structure of an organized body (animal or plant), or of any part of one;
bodily (rarely mental) constitution.
.......
c. concr. An organized structure, body, or being; an organism.

Now, is this the part where I'm supposed to act patronisingly? Meh! I'm gonna be nice, today...

But, good guess, though; too suspiciously impressive, if you ask me

Now go ahead and try to apply one minor fix to your solution....

[eworm]

 What do you mean I'm "in a suspicious situation"? You think I looked the riddle up on the Internet? I didn't. I'm one of this thread's main minds (or whatever you call this), so I pay attention to the rules. That's just what came to mind, when thinking about animals that race but are neither horses or dogs.

  And whatever Oxford says, it's just wrong to think "animal" = "organisation". Anybody would misunderstand.

  Anyway...
 

Spoiler:

Okay, so they're laboratory mice, some scientists make them race through a labyrinth and Jack is better at it. Maybe because at the end of the labyrinth there's a reward - a piece of cheese or whatever - and he can "smell the way" better.

  And if that's wrong, a bit more questions:

Spoiler:

a) Is it dark in the labyrinth?
b) Do they start the race at the same time?
c) Has either of them had some kind of handicap applied to them?
d) Are there any traps in the labyrinth?
e) Does someone help Jack from behind the scenes?

[A.E.]

  What do you mean I'm "in a suspicious situation"? You think I looked the riddle up on the Internet? I didn't. I'm one of this thread's main minds (or whatever you call this), so I pay attention to the rules. That's just what came to mind, when thinking about animals that race but are neither horses or dogs.

While I did imply that you might've cheated, I only did so because your answer might have been too precise, even though you didn't have that much information.
But if it's otherwise, then, bless you my friend; you have a gift, and I shall see more of it, the more time I spend here!

 

And whatever Oxford says, it's just wrong to think "animal" = "organisation". Anybody would misunderstand.

Lol, if you're gonna question OED's definition of a simple word, why speak/write/read/listen to English?
Just because of a definition you didn't like, doesn't mean you have the right to dismiss the entire dictionary!

  Anyway...
 

Spoiler: answers

Okay, so they're laboratory mice, some scientists make them race through a labyrinth and Jack is better at it. Maybe because at the end of the labyrinth there's a reward - a piece of cheese or whatever - and he can "smell the way" better.

Now you're complicating it.... Since the riddle is about to be solved, I'm gonna give a relatively big hint; think of something Jack is usually made to do, that Jill is, on the other hand, not mandated to do

  And if that's wrong, a bit more questions:

Spoiler:

a) Is it dark in the labyrinth? No
b) Do they start the race at the same time? Yes
c) Has either of them had some kind of handicap applied to them?No
d) Are there any traps in the labyrinth?No
e) Does someone help Jack from behind the scenes?No

[eworm]

I'm not dismissing the entire dictionary... I'm just saying that it's weird to call an animal an organisation. It is, isn't it? Never mind that.

Spoiler:

Does Jack spend more time in the labyrinth alone? That way he could know the way around it better.

[A.E.]

I'm not dismissing the entire dictionary... I'm just saying that it's weird to call an animal an organisation. It is, isn't it?

It is, given the fact that English is not your mother tongue (especially, if the word that is equivalent to "organisation" in your native language, does not have as many meanings as its English counterpart does). Hence, when the word "organisation" is mentioned, the only thing that may pop up in your mind is the abstract sense of the word: "a group of people that get together for some particular purpose", rather than the concrete sense of the word, which is "a living being of some sort". English has myriads of words that have both abstract and concrete senses.
A simple example is the word key: the concrete sense of the word key is "a small piece of shaped metal with incisions cut to fit the wards of a particular lock, which is inserted into the lock and rotated to open or close it or to operate a switch.", while the abstract sense of "key" is: "a thing that provides access to or understanding of something" as when we say, "The young detective holds the key to solving the crime."
Now, let's not turn this into a linguistics lecture. I had rather go back to the riddle

Spoiler:

Does Jack spend more time in the labyrinth alone? That way he could know the way around it better.

I don't think you could get any closer, so I'll officially anounce you the riddle solver. It's now your turn to post a new riddle.

Spoiler: Though, a more precise answer would have been

Jack has been daily trained by the scientist to run through the maze; whenever Jack is confronted with Jill, Jack easily reaches the end since he knows every nook and cranny in the labyrinth, while Jill is left meandering around staring stupidly at the overwhelming walls of the maze, never reaching the end.

[eworm]

I don't think you could get any closer, so I'll officially announce you the riddle solver. It's now your turn to post a new riddle.

Spoiler: Though, a more precise answer would have been

Jack has been daily trained by the scientist to run through the maze; whenever Jack is confronted with Jill, Jack easily reaches the end since he knows every nook and cranny in the labyrinth, while Jill is left meandering around staring stupidly at the overwhelming walls of the maze, never reaching the end.

That's precisely what I had in mind when asking:

Spoiler:

Does Jack spend more time in the labyrinth alone? That way he could know the way around it better.

Okay, let's proceed with a riddle... Hope you don't know this one. It's from a manga I read and it's quite neat.

A river and seven bridges. The task for you is to cross every one of the bridges - but each of them you shall cross only once.
It seems impossible, but it can be done. No swimming, no jumping. You can choose the starting point anywhere you want (not on one of the bridges though)

[Hoshi, tantei-chan]

question v

Spoiler:

Are we not allowed to create an additional bridge?

[eworm]

Right. No bridge-building. No bridge-destroying either. Seven bridges.

[Hoshi, tantei-chan]

We can't move them either?

[eworm]

No bridge-moving. No flying. Just walking.

[Mystery Otaku]

Spoiler:

My sister actually came up with this...

According to her, the shaded regions could be the bridge, and the river could be above them...

[eworm]

Spoiler:

My sister actually came up with this...

According to her, the shaded regions could be the bridge, and the river could be above them...

Wrong. Very wrong. The shaded part is the river.

[Conan16]

Spoiler:

can you cross two bridges at the same time?