New theory: the Okiya/Akai/Bourbon mystery

[Key-chan]

I am aware that there are already many threads concerning this, such as "Who is Bourbon", "Who is Okiya" and the like. If you believe a new topic about this is pointless, forgive me. Also the title says "New theory". I came up with the thory myself recently, but if someone else has already come up with this conclusion and put it up, once again please forgive me *bows politely*

When you look at the general picture, the first thing Aoyama-sensei wants you to believe is that Okiya is Bourbon, because of the big hint-dropping around his first appearance that suggested this idea. Okiya and Bourbon are both very smart, Okiya has been seen drinking Bourbon, the B.O. aura that Haibara feels around him, etc. The theory is still a little unstable since there isn't enough evidence pointing to it. For the sake of my deduction, I'll drop this idea and say Okiya and Bourbon are two different persons.

I think it's safe to assume that half the DC-fanworld is more or less convinced that Okiya Subaru is in fact Akai Shuuichi. Theories with many arguments have been solidly established, making it hard to believe that Okiya could not be Akai. (But that's only assuming Aoyama-sensei isn't planning on coming up with a new unexpected twist where Okiya is actually Shinichi's long lost twin brother in disguise). A coincidence is also very hard to believe. Since Okiya being Akai is rather likely, we'll keep this idea.

Bourbon could be pretty much be anyone at this point. It could be someone we know. It could be someone we don't. It could be someone who's been present the enitre time, it could be someone we haven't seen in decades. It could be something absurd like Eri's cat Goro. Or it could be a very smart guess.

Leaving Bourbon aside for now, let's get back to Okiya and Akai. We're assuming Okiya and Akai are the same person. But they really are, that begs the question:

Who is the Akai with the burnmark?

Okiya Akai and the fake Akai have been seen together in the Red Shirt case (files 700-704). It can't be Vermouth, since she was with Gin outside at the time. And for all we know, there's no character that would gain any profit by disguising as Akai and walking around town as if nothing were. If I use statements that have already been made on the forum by other users, such as the real Akai being left-handed while this one is right-handed, we can pretty much acertain that the Akai with the burnmark is not the real Akai as we know him to be. So who is the person disguised as Akai?

...Unless it is not a disguise at all?

There is no evidence pointing to the fact that it really is a disguise, it's just a natural assumption one would make because he looks like the Akai we know. With this in mind, the fake Akai could be anyone, from a new completely new character that sudenly shows up to a character that we heard of. If we cross out the idea of "new character", that leaves us with "someone we heard of". Which also means someone we don't know what he looks like.

With this, there are only two possibilities left that come to my mind.

1- The fake Akai is the Boss of the B.O. Maybe. Why not, it's possible, but not very probable.

Therefore my best guess is:

2- The fake Akai is Bourbon.

I don't really have any evidence to back up my claim, aside from their mutual reactions at the end of file 702

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which almost comes from a certain haha-I-know-it's-you sense that seems to develop like a plague among the members of the B.O. that happen to have a certain relationship.

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They don't say it explicitly, but they make it sound like they have no idea what Bourbon looks like. Also just because I said Bourbon may look like Akai doesn't he does, and this could well be a disguise as everyone assumes. Heck, Bourbon coud be a master of diguise like Vermouth (learning it not from Toichi like her and Yukiko, but more like from Vermouth herself).

In the end this is only one big guess with no solid evidence, but hopefully a good guess at that. What do you think?

[Mizzicco]

I am aware that there are already many threads concerning this, such as "Who is Bourbon", "Who is Okiya" and the like. If you believe a new topic about this is pointless, forgive me. Also the title says "New theory". I came up with the thory myself recently, but if someone else has already come up with this conclusion and put it up, once again please forgive me *bows politely*

When you look at the general picture, the first thing Aoyama-sensei wants you to believe is that Okiya is Bourbon, because of the big hint-dropping around his first appearance that suggested this idea. Okiya and Bourbon are both very smart, Okiya has been seen drinking Bourbon, the B.O. aura that Haibara feels around him, etc. The theory is still a little unstable since there isn't enough evidence pointing to it. For the sake of my deduction, I'll drop this idea and say Okiya and Bourbon are two different persons.

I think it's safe to assume that half the DC-fanworld is more or less convinced that Okiya Subaru is in fact Akai Shuuichi. Theories with many arguments have been solidly established, making it hard to believe that Okiya could not be Akai. (But that's only assuming Aoyama-sensei isn't planning on coming up with a new unexpected twist where Okiya is actually Shinichi's long lost twin brother in disguise). A coincidence is also very hard to believe. Since Okiya being Akai is rather likely, we'll keep this idea.

Bourbon could be pretty much be anyone at this point. It could be someone we know. It could be someone we don't. It could be someone who's been present the enitre time, it could be someone we haven't seen in decades. It could be something absurd like Eri's cat Goro. Or it could be a very smart guess.

Leaving Bourbon aside for now, let's get back to Okiya and Akai. We're assuming Okiya and Akai are the same person. But they really are, that begs the question:

Who is the Akai with the burnmark?

Okiya Akai and the fake Akai have been seen together in the Red Shirt case (files 700-704). It can't be Vermouth, since she was with Gin outside at the time. And for all we know, there's no character that would gain any profit by disguising as Akai and walking around town as if nothing were. If I use statements that have already been made on the forum by other users, such as the real Akai being left-handed while this one is right-handed, we can pretty much acertain that the Akai with the burnmark is not the real Akai as we know him to be. So who is the person disguised as Akai?

...Unless it is not a disguise at all?

There is no evidence pointing to the fact that it really is a disguise, it's just a natural assumption one would make because he looks like the Akai we know. With this in mind, the fake Akai could be anyone, from a new completely new character that sudenly shows up to a character that we heard of. If we cross out the idea of "new character", that leaves us with "someone we heard of". Which also means someone we don't know what he looks like.

With this, there are only two possibilities left that come to my mind.

1- The fake Akai is the Boss of the B.O. Maybe. Why not, it's possible, but not very probable.

Therefore my best guess is:

2- The fake Akai is Bourbon.

I don't really have any evidence to back up my claim, aside from their mutual reactions at the end of file 702

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which almost comes from a certain haha-I-know-it's-you sense that seems to develop like a plague among the members of the B.O. that happen to have a certain relationship.

Spoiler:

They don't say it explicitly, but they make it sound like they have no idea what Bourbon looks like. Also just because I said Bourbon may look like Akai doesn't he does, and this could well be a disguise as everyone assumes. Heck, Bourbon coud be a master of diguise like Vermouth (learning it not from Toichi like her and Yukiko, but more like from Vermouth herself).

In the end this is only one big guess with no solid evidence, but hopefully a good guess at that. What do you think?

This is actually a very good theory im impressed that you could come up with all that.But I have another idea or two that I'm thinking about

1) Why did Bourbon hate Akai more than Gin?
Possibility #1: Bourbon might be one of Miyano Shiho's parents in disguise, angry at Akai for their daughter's (Miyano Akemi) death.
(Unlikely because we heard that they died, but it isn't really confirmed yet.)

Possibility #2: Bourbon could be someone else, since if he was looking for Akai, why would he be interested in Sherry since he was originally looking for Akai? The statement that Kir said about Bourbon looking for Akai is really on my mind because I don't know how to place it. Could it have been a lie to keep them off his back? Anyway, we'll leave that aside for now.

Possibility #3: Okiya is Bourbon, who is Akai in disguise. Although I wouldn't call it a possibility since Akai wouldn't want to get close to Haibara because he didn't want her to know who he was yet.

Possibility #4: The most possible possibility. Bourbon is fake Akai. But that is hard to prove since they sow the BO trying to kill fake Akai, which means they dont know if it is one of the BO or really is Akai.

2)Why did fake Akai smile at Chianti?
Possibility #1: The smile means: "I know you're targeting me."

Possibility #2: It meant: "I'm one of you, so think before you shoot."

Possibility #3: It was meant to buy him time before Chianti shoots.

Possibility #4: It meant: "I'm not afraid of the bullet"

3)Why did Okiya grin when he saw fake Akai?
Possibility #1: He might have meant: "So they sent someone after me" (Okiya being Akai, that is)

Possibility #2: "Gotcha!" (Okiya being Bourbon)

4)Why did fake Akai recognize Okiya?
No possibilities yet. xD

5)Fake Akai's right-handedness in the robbery case:
Possibility #1: To throw the FBI of his back so that the BO will not realize that he really is Akai by the way the FBI is acting around him. (only works if fake Akai really is Akai.)

Possibility #2: The most possible one: fake Akai really isnt Akai but is someone else.

Note:
I know it was 4 ideas, not one or two.

P.S.
I'm a true fan of the "Okiya Subaru is Akai and fake Akai is Bourbon" theory.

[soratothamax]

I don't agree with some of those conclusions (I know here comes the know-it-all again, I can't help that I have to have long explanations....I'm a Taurus....)

First off:
I don't believe that Okiya is Akai in any way. There are several reasons based on Akai's personality.

1)Okiya smiles entirely too much, and I feel Akai is confident in who he is. But isn't up for smiling.
2) In the same case, a message was left for Jodie-sensei as a warning by the supposed "fake Akai." Okiya  did not care to help Jodie-san. Also, I don't recall Akai liking to drink......Okiya is just out of character for someone like Akai. Akai is not a master of disguise, but he is hard to kill.

2) Ai is scared for a reason. She doesn't get the "nerves" thing for someone she's already uncovered. I think Okiya is either her father or someone she remembers in the Org...she could remember him as someone who was after her sis's boyfriend. Who knows? But she was in the org, so Okiya is involved some way or another with BO/FBI fiasco.

Second:
I don't believe that the fake Akai is fake. But I don't put it past him being a member of the org either.

1) That person, yes was left handed at the time, but have any of you ever heard of the word "ambidextrous"? Akai could very well know how to use both hands. Most in the police force, especially in the FBI, are taught to do so for undercover purposes.

HOWEVER:
He may be Bourbon for the fact that he was replaced by Akai, and has similar skills. They may have needed him to trick Sherry, because she would believe that was Akai if he claimed he was.  Then he would have Sherry in his trap.

My biggest theory is that Okiya is someone Sherry knows, could be her father or Bourbon or anyone else, but he is not Akai. I don't even see it trailing in that way.

I believe that "fake Akai" is Akai, if not another BO member. But I'm hanging on Akai.

Unless of course a fool tactic is in place where Okiya and Akai switched places. The fake Akai could be a friend to the fake Okiya.....or the fake Akai could really be Bourbon/Okiya in disguise, and Okiya could be Akai in disguise. In any case, I don't think they are the same person, and one is just a fake. They are either both fake, or none.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Chekhov MacGuffin is here to save the poor deluded Okiya = Bourbon believer using the wall of text superpower!!!! If you haven't clicked my Akai is Okiya link in my sig, then I recommend you do so because I go over why scar Akai is not the real Akai and all the reasons why Okiya is not a B.O. member.

1)Okiya smiles entirely too much, and I feel Akai is confident in who he is. But isn't up for smiling.

What are you talking about? Review the red vs. black arc. Akai is smiling all the bloody time. He has moments where he is not smiling, but still. If he is disguising as Okiya, how hard would it be to smile a little more?

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2) In the same case, a message was left for Jodie-sensei as a warning by the supposed "fake Akai." Okiya  did not care to help Jodie-san. Also, I don't recall Akai liking to drink......Okiya is just out of character for someone like Akai. Akai is not a master of disguise, but he is hard to kill.

Okiya could have left the message since Jodie doesn't know who left it. Okiya purposely delayed Jodie by running into her. If Okiya is Akai, that would be to keep her from entering the sniper's line of sight.
As for Akai liking to drink, he had a canned coffee in the red vs. black arc and Jodie mentioned him liking Bourbon whiskey in the beginning of the bank heist arc. Also we haven't seen Akai in many casual circumstances where he would be able to drink because Akai usually showed up when the BO were acting naughty, so it is hard to say that Akai is not the type of person who would enjoy a drink during down time.
Finally Okiya's disguise is not a hard one. A bit of dye and a hair straightening session or a wig would suffice for the hair. A pair of wrong- prescription glasses to force him to squint makes the rest of the disguise. Okiya and Akai have extremely similar builds and face shapes. I explain this more fully in the Okiya=Akai sig link.

3) Ai is scared for a reason. She doesn't get the "nerves" thing for someone she's already uncovered. I think Okiya is either her father or someone she remembers in the Org...she could remember him as someone who was after her sis's boyfriend. Who knows? But she was in the org, so Okiya is involved some way or another with BO/FBI fiasco.

Akai triggers Ai's org senses although she never explicitly says he does. It isn't surprising since he infiltrated the Black Org. before under the alias Moroboshi Dai where he received the codename Rye and worked under Gin. He freaks out Haibara in the Panda case (325-326) and also in the Dark Footprint arc (383). There were no other agents around both of these times that could cause her to feel the aura.

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Ai would almost surely know who "Moroboshi Dai" is since he was her sister's boyfriend. Ai got the vibes from Shuuichi anyway even though the only difference between then and now was a haircut on Shuu's part. So that thing about no vibes from an uncovered member is probably wrong.

Second:
I don't believe that the fake Akai is fake. But I don't put it past him being a member of the org either.
1) That person, yes was left handed at the time, but have any of you ever heard of the word "ambidextrous"? Akai could very well know how to use both hands. Most in the police force, especially in the FBI, are taught to do so for undercover purposes.

Copy pasta time!

Scar Akai is right handed, not left handed like Akai
Akai could be ambidextrous, but he is very consistently shown doing tasks with his left hand which suggest he is left hand dominant although he may also be good with his right hand as well. It is clear Akai would use his left if he could. It is unlikely scar Akai is simply using his right hand because he injured his left. In the Baker bank heist, (file 679) he could easily escape the duct tape binding his hands. Removing it with only one hand, especially if it's his off hand, would be difficult especially if robbers are watching you. (His eyes were covered so scar Akai couldn't be sure that no one was watching until the robbers pretended to be hostages which would give him only a few minutes to escape.) Switching handedness after head trauma does not appear to have been documented in scientific literature. That is not to say Gosho wouldn't consider using head trauma as an excuse to switch handedness, but it means that the concept lacks a precedent.

Scar Akai's behavior does not make sense if he is Akai
If scar Akai is the real Akai, one must assume he either has his memory or he doesn't have it.
If he has his memory, Akai would absolutely not wander around in the open since it puts Hidemi (Kir) at risk with no gains to made from doing so. The Organization's actions in the thirteen red shirts case (files 700-704) demonstrate the danger.

If Akai does not have his memory, then it is plausible Akai would walk around in the open without knowing the danger he is in, however Akai's actions strongly suggest his memory is still intact. He seems to be stalking the FBI by appearing before them: something he would not do if he had lost all of his memory. Further emphasizing the point, Akai also apparently left a warning message to Jodie on her drink coaster during the events of the thirteen red shirts case. If perhaps he recognized the FBI a little and felt comfortable enough to leave Jodie a message, it is strange that he would not speak to the FBI agents since Scar Akai is clearly capable of speaking. (704) Scar Akai also appears to recognize Chianti in file 704. (Would you smile at a sniper if you had no idea who you were?)

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A more reasonable explanation is that Scar Akai is not Akai and avoided speaking because he is unable to imitate Akai's voice. The person in disguise as Akai is trying to gauge from the FBI's reactions whether the real Akai is dead or not.

[mizumi]

Heck, Bourbon coud be a master of diguise like Vermouth (learning it not from Toichi like her and Yukiko, but more like from Vermouth herself).

In the end this is only one big guess with no solid evidence, but hopefully a good guess at that. What do you think?

that's because Bourbon IS kuroba toichi. he wants to kill sherry cause he think she's trying to make a drug that stops aging (aptx4869 = pandora)

[Kor]

Heck, Bourbon coud be a master of diguise like Vermouth (learning it not from Toichi like her and Yukiko, but more like from Vermouth herself).

In the end this is only one big guess with no solid evidence, but hopefully a good guess at that. What do you think?

that's because Bourbon IS kuroba toichi. he wants to kill sherry cause he think she's trying to make a drug that stops aging (aptx4869 = pandora)

Unlikely. Why would Haibara feel the precense of a member from Okiya? Toichi Kuroba isn't a detective.

[Key-chan]

This is actually a very good theory im impressed that you could come up with all that. But I have another idea or two that I'm thinking about

1) Why did Bourbon hate Akai more than Gin?
Possibility #1: Bourbon might be one of Miyano Shiho's parents in disguise, angry at Akai for their daughter's (Miyano Akemi) death.
(Unlikely because we heard that they died, but it isn't really confirmed yet.)

Possibility #2: Bourbon could be someone else, since if he was looking for Akai, why would he be interested in Sherry since he was originally looking for Akai? The statement that Kir said about Bourbon looking for Akai is really on my mind because I don't know how to place it. Could it have been a lie to keep them off his back? Anyway, we'll leave that aside for now.

Possibility #3: Okiya is Bourbon, who is Akai in disguise. Although I wouldn't call it a possibility since Akai wouldn't want to get close to Haibara because he didn't want her to know who he was yet.

Possibility #4: The most possible possibility. Bourbon is fake Akai. But that is hard to prove since they sow the BO trying to kill fake Akai, which means they dont know if it is one of the BO or really is Akai.

2)Why did fake Akai smile at Chianti?
Possibility #1: The smile means: "I know you're targeting me."

Possibility #2: It meant: "I'm one of you, so think before you shoot."

Possibility #3: It was meant to buy him time before Chianti shoots.

Possibility #4: It meant: "I'm not afraid of the bullet" 

3)Why did Okiya grin when he saw fake Akai?
Possibility #1: He might have meant: "So they sent someone after me" (Okiya being Akai, that is)

Possibility #2: "Gotcha!" (Okiya being Bourbon)

4)Why did fake Akai recognize Okiya?
No possibilities yet. xD

5)Fake Akai's right-handedness in the robbery case:
Possibility #1: To throw the FBI of his back so that the BO will not realize that he really is Akai by the way the FBI is acting around him. (only works if fake Akai really is Akai.)

Possibility #2: The most possible one: fake Akai really isnt Akai but is someone else.

Hmm...Maybe Bourbon hates Akai more than Gin does because Akai is actually his twin and betrayed the B.O. Then he smiled at Chianti because he's suicidal Then Okiya/Akai grinned at Bourbon/fake Akai because he's gonna kill him I don't remember fake Akai seeing Okiya though O_o I'll need to read it over XD And fake Akai's right-handedness comes from the fact that he's actually a mutant octopus from outer space

...Just to make it clear, all the above suggestions I made were meant as a joke. But some of your questions were actually rather good points. Fake Akai smiling at Chianti...I dunno O_o We'll figure it out sometime soon, hopefully XD

actually, many of us already made the same conclusion

Shoot, I thought I came up with something new XD

But I did go through most of the threads concerning the whole thing. It must've been in the ones I missed

First off:
I don't believe that Okiya is Akai in any way.
Second:
I don't believe that the fake Akai is fake. But I don't put it past him being a member of the org either.

That's all entirely possible. I wouldn't put it past Aoyama-sensei to do just that either. I'm not very good with astrology (yet), but as a Cancer I say it's all in having an open mind on things I'm not deluded enough to believe that the stupidly long dissertation is the answer, but I don't think it's impossible either. I think we all need to search for more clues

Chekhov MacGuffin is here to save the poor deluded Okiya = Bourbon believer using the wall of text superpower!!!!

...That was mean XDDD Open mind, m'dear, open mind...

that's because Bourbon IS kuroba toichi. he wants to kill sherry cause he think she's trying to make a drug that stops aging (aptx4869 = pandora)

I wouldn't put it past Aoyama-sensei to make Okiya and Toichi the same person in a demented twist, but Toichi is said to be dead (though we have all learned to never underestimate a magician of the Kuroban spiecies). The only thing I entirely disagree with, however, is the fact that Toichi wants Sherry dead. Ever heard of the "No-One Gets Hurt" policy that seems to posses the spirit of whoever takes on KID's mantle?

Toichi Kuroba isn't a detective.

No, but he's still smart. How else was he constantly able to out-fox Yuusaku?

nor is bourbon.

"Profession: Detective at day, assassin at night." XD Bourbon may not be a detective by profession, but it was said that Bourbon has the skills to be one of he hadn't been of the B.O.

...

I STILL SAY AKAI AND BOURBON ARE TWINS THOUGH!!! *hides behind desk to avoid bricks*

[Abs.]

I STILL SAY AKAI AND BOURBON ARE TWINS THOUGH!!! *hides behind desk to avoid bricks*

Seriously, I wouldn't put it past Aoyama-sensei, but if this turns out to be the case, Akai had better have a DAMNED GOOD REASON to not warn everyone about his evil twin. 

[Bastet]

I STILL SAY AKAI AND BOURBON ARE TWINS THOUGH!!! *hides behind desk to avoid bricks*

Yes, and the boss of the BO is their father. That´s the reason why Akai wants to destroy the BO. 

[Key-chan]

I STILL SAY AKAI AND BOURBON ARE TWINS THOUGH!!! *hides behind desk to avoid bricks*

Yes, and the boss of the BO is their father. That´s the reason why Akai wants to destroy the BO. 

That's exactly it. And moreover, they're related to Yuusaku and Toichi because they all have the same great-grandfather, which explains why there's so many twins in their family

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

i guess gosho did bad in hiding okiya's identity.

It requires quite a bit of work to make a plausible theory that Okiya is Akai. You have to figure out how Akai could have survived and then piece together the clues in order to strongly suggest Okiya is Akai. It was pretty hard for me to do. There are a lot of little details that I missed the first and second times around.

[Mizzicco]

Gin is Akai's brother because when akai was sniping them he said...my lovely lovely archrival, Koibito-san



JK PLEASE DONT THROW ROCKS!!!

[Key-chan]

Gin is Akai's brother because when akai was sniping them he said...my lovely lovely archrival, Koibito-san



JK PLEASE DONT THROW ROCKS!!!

Y'know, I think that bascially means Akai is in love with Gin or something XD