"Mafia Round 21," or, "Boom With A View!" (BO and Bomber win

PT · Post by PT » February 5th, 2011, 12:37 pm

@pofa: Also with Natsuki, iirc, she can't be arrested, otherwise she doesn't win.

bluekaitou1412 · Post by **bluekaitou1412** » February 5th, 2011, 12:38 pm

All these walls of texts and the round hasn't even started yet @_@

pofa · Post by **pofa** » February 5th, 2011, 12:44 pm

PhoenixTears wrote: @pofa: Also with Natsuki, iirc, she can't be arrested, otherwise she doesn't win.

Yes, and she also can't die before the end of the game or she loses. The bomber can win if he is arrested, but not if he dies. It doesn't say anything like that for Okuda, so it looks like he can win even if he dies, as long as he got his target. I wonder if I should change that, since there's not a whole lot of point to Okuda still being in the game/voting/etc after he achieves his target if there's no possibility of him losing.

Whereas the other two would need to throw in with the winning side and end the game quickly to avoid death. :V

Dus · Post by **Dus** » February 5th, 2011, 12:55 pm

pofa wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: @pofa: Also with Natsuki, iirc, she can't be arrested, otherwise she doesn't win.
Yes, and she also can't die before the end of the game or she loses.

I think that's one of the rules I changed after consultation with nom but never got written down. So she only loses if she's arrested (or the BO wins). As for the other criminals: Maybe even take them out after they've achieved their objective so they don't randomly collaborate with one side or another?

pofa · Post by **pofa** » February 5th, 2011, 1:01 pm

Dus wrote:
pofa wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: @pofa: Also with Natsuki, iirc, she can't be arrested, otherwise she doesn't win.
Yes, and she also can't die before the end of the game or she loses.
I think that's one of the rules I changed after consultation with nom but never got written down. So she only loses if she's arrested (or the BO wins). As for the other criminals: Maybe even take them out after they've achieved their objective so they don't randomly collaborate with one side or another?

So Natsuki's done, action-wise, after she kills four people on her hitlist (does she have the option of killing the fifth afterward?), and she has to win with the town and not get arrested. That sounds fine.

I thought about that, but since both of them technically count as town players, removing them from the game would sort of penalize the town.

Which makes sense in the bomber's case, but I don't know about Okuda. On the other hand, the BO wouldn't be able to pretend to be criminals anymore if they were revealed.

Dus · Post by **Dus** » February 5th, 2011, 1:18 pm

pofa wrote:
Dus wrote:
pofa wrote:
PhoenixTears wrote: @pofa: Also with Natsuki, iirc, she can't be arrested, otherwise she doesn't win.
Yes, and she also can't die before the end of the game or she loses.
I think that's one of the rules I changed after consultation with nom but never got written down. So she only loses if she's arrested (or the BO wins). As for the other criminals: Maybe even take them out after they've achieved their objective so they don't randomly collaborate with one side or another?
So Natsuki's done, action-wise, after she kills four people on her hitlist (does she have the option of killing the fifth afterward?), and she has to win with the town and not get arrested. That sounds fine.

I thought about that, but since both of them technically count as town players, removing them from the game would sort of penalize the town. Which makes sense in the bomber's case, but I don't know about Okuda. On the other hand, the BO wouldn't be able to pretend to be criminals anymore if they were revealed.

I dunno, they're not really townies, apart from Natsuki. And killing all of her victims wasn't a win condition in my round. It makes sense, just wanted to point it out in case that change wasn't deliberate.
Maybe just erase the criminals?

pofa · Post by **pofa** » February 5th, 2011, 1:55 pm

Dus wrote: I dunno, they're not really townies, apart from Natsuki. And killing all of her victims wasn't a win condition in my round. It makes sense, just wanted to point it out in case that change wasn't deliberate.
Maybe just erase the criminals?

It wasn't?

Well, if Natsuki doesn't have a choice but to use her bribe action every night, then all her victims will die anyway unless she gets killed or arrested. It's just that if she dies before she kills four out of the five, she loses. If she lives long enough to kill four out of the five, I think I'll give her the option of killing the fifth name if she thinks he's BO. (Of course, that makes it more likely that she'll get arrested too.)

In the bomber's case, the town would get to know that there are no policemen anymore if he was revealed, which could really hurt the BO's cover and maybe make up for losing a townie. And like I said, it makes sense for the town to be penalized if the bomber wins. By the way, I'm going to count Vermouth and Kid as police officers if they are disguised as such. I think that's how it was last time, but I couldn't find it in the rules.)

With Okuda, it really makes sense for him to leave town afterward too, since he's a third faction. :\ But the town wouldn't get any really useful info when he leaves to make up for the loss...unless maybe he leaves behind the items that he stole (which helps both sides

)?

Mystery_angel801 · Post by **Mystery_angel801** » February 5th, 2011, 2:48 pm

Ya!!!
A new mafia round is started!

Can i join?

miikosan · Post by **miikosan** » February 5th, 2011, 2:56 pm

I'm joining too

miakakiri · Post by **miakakiri** » February 5th, 2011, 3:54 pm

Um....ok....so I signed up but I have no idea how to play. ~_~* I did read all the rules, but I think I may have mixed myself up. ~_~*

pofa · Post by **pofa** » February 5th, 2011, 3:59 pm

Don't worry, you'll pick it up fast when you start playing.

When the game starts, I'll PM you with your role and all your abilities, and you can PM me with any questions. (And if you're BO, you'll have allies to help you.

)

miakakiri · Post by **miakakiri** » February 5th, 2011, 4:15 pm

n.n Okies!! Archi has also agreed to help me figure out what I'm doing. n.n

Schillok · Post by **Schillok** » February 5th, 2011, 4:18 pm

About what happens when the criminals fulfilled their tasks:

It never happened so far, but I think some of us had agreed on the following suggestion:

When Okuda or the Bomber managed to kill their target or all police, they win. They will lose their killing ability but can continue to stay in the game and do what they want with their remaining abilities (It's their reward, kinda. They have won anyway and could help whichever side they want.). Of course if they want the player could just leave the game.

And I don't think the BO should know which kind of criminal is in the game in the beginning. If they have Boubon it won't be that hard to find out anyway. I mean... they should know it is a risk for them to get in contact with the criminal, even when they know who it is. Maybe it is Okuda, trying to kill a specific BO...

BTW, Natsuki only wins if she kills 4 people from her list AND when the town wins in the end. If the BO defeats the town (or possibly when BO-town lovers win) she would lose with the other townies. If she has to stay alive and free until the end depends on the choice of the GM. I guess her role is hard enough to allow the player having her role to win even after he died as long as he killed 4 players from the list.

The other two criminals just have to complete their mission. They don't care what happens to them afterwards. Also, the Bomber could win if he gets arrested and the BO kills all remaining police for him. (But of course if he is arrested the BO will have a much harder time...). Again, if he dies beforehand he should not win, even if the BO kills all police at some later point.

Okuda on the other hand would not be able to participate in the killing of his target when he is arrested, so he has no more chances to win at that point, unless Eri frees him.

Anything else remaining unclear?

miakakiri · Post by **miakakiri** » February 5th, 2011, 4:41 pm

Schillok wrote: Anything else remaining unclear?

A lot of things, but mostly because I've never played this before and there are a LOT of rules/conditions! @.@ Even Archi said it's a bit confusing.....

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » February 5th, 2011, 4:55 pm

miakakiri wrote:
Schillok wrote: Anything else remaining unclear?
A lot of things, but mostly because I've never played this before and there are a LOT of rules/conditions! @.@ Even Archi said it's a bit confusing.....

if you have questions regarding the role you're given when the game starts etc, feel free to PM other players asking for help, though it might be best to just PM pofa because she's the GM. But if you PM other players for help:

If you're BO: Just ask your fellow BOs so you don't accidentally tell a townsperson that you're evil

If you're a townie: Be careful what you say about yourself, because if you accidentally turn out to be talking to a BO you might get yourself killed
If you're a criminal: You should probably just talk to pofa

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