BO Goal Research Question

[Akonyl]

In order to make antidotes to poisons, it's very helpful to have the chemical formula of the poison. So it's not that she wants the drug to use, she just needs it for analyzation, since the disc with the APTX formula on it that she got earlier was destroyed by Night Baron.

Actually that raises a interesting question: Even though the data in a readable form has been destroyed. The data should still be on the disk. I hear of companies that do data recovery. Do you believe this data is completely unrecoverable or maybe by talking to FBI, or CIA, and then giving them the disk could recover the data and with it the formula?

considering it was apparently a masterwork of a computer virus, it probably didn't just do a single-pass removal. After several passes, data becomes entirely destroyed.

also, remember that this is fiction and computers work differently. We didn't just see the file get deleted, we saw all of the pixels float off the screen. I think that pretty much means that it's completely gone.

[sstimson]

In order to make antidotes to poisons, it's very helpful to have the chemical formula of the poison. So it's not that she wants the drug to use, she just needs it for analyzation, since the disc with the APTX formula on it that she got earlier was destroyed by Night Baron.

Actually that raises a interesting question: Even though the data in a readable form has been destroyed. The data should still be on the disk. I hear of companies that do data recovery. Do you believe this data is completely unrecoverable or maybe by talking to FBI, or CIA, and then giving them the disk could recover the data and with it the formula?

considering it was apparently a masterwork of a computer virus, it probably didn't just do a single-pass removal. After several passes, data becomes entirely destroyed.

also, remember that this is fiction and computers work differently. We didn't just see the file get deleted, we saw all of the pixels float off the screen. I think that pretty much means that it's completely gone.

I suppose in the Conan world the data might really be gone. But In the Real world, a virus that melts the screen would at most do a single rewrite. If you had ever done a security wipe. You know those that time and The night baron virus was way too quick for a complete rewrite more then twice.  Also a virus melting the screen would it all likely erase the memory part of it.

I uses to watch a computer do something similar when I told it to store '0's is every place of memory. A very good way to get a Blue Screen

[Akonyl]

In order to make antidotes to poisons, it's very helpful to have the chemical formula of the poison. So it's not that she wants the drug to use, she just needs it for analyzation, since the disc with the APTX formula on it that she got earlier was destroyed by Night Baron.

Actually that raises a interesting question: Even though the data in a readable form has been destroyed. The data should still be on the disk. I hear of companies that do data recovery. Do you believe this data is completely unrecoverable or maybe by talking to FBI, or CIA, and then giving them the disk could recover the data and with it the formula?

considering it was apparently a masterwork of a computer virus, it probably didn't just do a single-pass removal. After several passes, data becomes entirely destroyed.

also, remember that this is fiction and computers work differently. We didn't just see the file get deleted, we saw all of the pixels float off the screen. I think that pretty much means that it's completely gone.

I suppose in the Conan world the data might really be gone. But In the Real world, a virus that melts the screen would at most do a single rewrite. If you had ever done a security wipe. You know those that time and The night baron virus was way too quick for a complete rewrite more then twice.  Also a virus melting the screen would it all likely erase the memory part of it.

I uses to watch a computer do something similar when I told it to store '0's is every place of memory. A very good way to get a Blue Screen

well if we're going to talk real-world numbers, remember that a floppy is only 1.44 megs, so it could have easily done more than a single rewrite. Now, I know that it also supposedly deleted all the files on agasa's computer also, however unless he had a ridiculously fast harddrive, that would be impossible to do even a single wipe in in that short a time. So basically, putting real-world time limitations on the virus is sorta silly.

[caribou]

I was re-reading the part where Shiho/Sherry/Haibara (too many names...) first appeared in the manga, and from her account it seems that she was surprised by the drug's shrinking effect. According to her, the drug was designed to 'terminate cell life' and therefore kill without a trace. And the drug had succeeded in killing a list of people. Yet the drug had had a curious shrinking effect on: one unnamed mouse , Shinichi, and Shiho herself. She also described it as sheer luck that she shrank instead of dying, after taking the drug.

[side note: is it really sheer luck, or is there a common factor?]

But she also said one interesting thing, which is that she 'never intended to create a poison'...

My guess is, the drug was never intended to either kill or shrink/immortalise people. I think it was intended to be a cure. Since the drug's effect is to terminate cell life, I think it was supposed to kill cancer cells = cure for cancer? But the BO, upon finding out the Miyanos' research, employed them to develop the drug for a different purpose (i.e. poison)...

This is side tracking a little, but could someone enlighten me on what happened to the Miyanos? all I know is what Shiho said, which is that they died in an accident shortly after she was born. But was any other info revealed later on? (cos I can't remember at all! x_o)

[themarble1]

interesting the virus name is Night Baron the bo boss must be a fan of the Night baron series

[Nyarl]

Actually that raises a interesting question: Even though the data in a readable form has been destroyed. The data should still be on the disk. I hear of companies that do data recovery. Do you believe this data is completely unrecoverable or maybe by talking to FBI, or CIA, and then giving them the disk could recover the data and with it the formula?

This is most likely a moot question, since Haibara probably lied about losing the disk where she saved the drug data when Pisco captured her. Since she already used a password to access the data, the copy she has is probably usable. (Aoyama shows us a disk with what is probably her blood on it during Desperate Revival. The anime makes the bloody disk interpretation even clearer.)

[宮野志ä¿]

Actually that raises a interesting question: Even though the data in a readable form has been destroyed. The data should still be on the disk. I hear of companies that do data recovery. Do you believe this data is completely unrecoverable or maybe by talking to FBI, or CIA, and then giving them the disk could recover the data and with it the formula?

This is most likely a moot question, since Haibara probably lied about losing the disk where she saved the drug data when Pisco captured her. Since she already used a password to access the data, the copy she has is probably usable. (Aoyama shows us a disk with what is probably her blood on it during Desperate Revival. The anime makes the bloody disk interpretation even clearer.)

Wow! That's a very good point, I haven't notice that disk before, what episode and chapter is the disk picture from? Please I want to take a closer look...

[宮野志ä¿]

anybody have any comment in my suggestion?

Hmmm.... why though would they want that though, if they are powerful enough, why want to raise the dead....to make zombiez?

[宮野志ä¿]

maybe they believe in an ancient religion and want to bring the religion  back.

against the stream of times means past people/civilization and raising them back..bringing that civilization back. 

Against the stream of time doesn't mean it's past civilization, it just means "Against the original flow of time, like Conan and Ai situation...

[Kor]

This is side tracking a little, but could someone enlighten me on what happened to the Miyanos? all I know is what Shiho said, which is that they died in an accident shortly after she was born. But was any other info revealed later on? (cos I can't remember at all! x_o)

Yeah, they're mention in volume 42 i think,



and i just noticed something, remember when vermouth asked gin whether he believe in god or   not?
he said "then why do you think i'm doing this"

thos could mean two things:

1) the BO is playing god in someway

2) supporting god in someway.....It just hit me!!!!!!

maybe the BO are trying to bring back an ancient civilization, remember, "we are trying to raise the deads against the stream of time"

that old civilization is dead and the BO are trying to make it alive again  

Usually a man who goes around and kill people doesn't believe in god. What Gin said can be taken in both ways and my logic tells me that he doesn't believe in god. Usually a guy like Gin thinks "If there was a god, do you think he will let someone like me to exist?" Gin knows how evil he is and what a bad person he is. I don't think that deep down inside he believes that he is doing something for a good cause. there are other reasons why a person such as Gin would not believe in god, but I do not want to slide too much from the topic

supporting god is the last thing they may be doing. (please note that I am the last person to be religeus and I do not believe in god) If there is a god, then the way life is, is what he/she intended. We born naked, we live and then we die. If a bunch of guys decide to go against this way and start to bring back the dead, it disobeys the laws of nature.

If Gosho is doing anything like entering God into the picture, it ruins what DC stands for and that's realism. even if the drug is meant to bring people back from the dead as zombies, I doubt that the B.O. would succeed before DC ends, simply because it's not a road that can be stepped on so easily and it destroys the best thing about DC. if he bring zombies in, he may as well send Conan to search for the dragon balls and wish for an antidote...

[Nyarl]

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[Eve]

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[Kudo Shinichi]

I think APTX4869 is makeing cells younger, and that medicine itself, main goal is actually to be younger or immortal.

You can tell that in Shiho's word, where she explains about the APTX. She says AP is apotosis, which is cell dying. But, APTX also multiplicate the cells, which added, means new cells subtstitude the dead cells. That's how Shinichi and Shiho became Conan and Ai.

If APTX works that way, it could have been anything in its experiments. She said only Shinichi survived the effect, all other dead, Other's maybe could not survived the first proccess, the dying cell. Near perfection, seems like Shiho could survive it easier than others. As it only killed ginny pigs on the experiments, B.O could thought it will kill a person, not leaving any cells behind. That make sense, as it kills all the cells with apotosis, the programmed death, which leave no trace in body, or even leave no cells behind.

Why would someone make a brug that will kell cells and make new and younger cells in there position? The only purpose that could be told is to have younger cells in body, which only means be younger.

Used to Shinichi and Shiho, not near the perfection to original purpose, they became too young. maybe it was because of there age? but from the explaination of APTX, it is more likely that drug only can do that till now. That could be why they are looking for programmers, to perfect it, to program it to give precise age details.

As Vermouth is Sharon Vinyard = Chris Vinyard, we could say she is the first ginny pig, un untold case.


Or, she even could be the model for making the APTX4869. Who knows? She could be an immortal, her body generating AP all the time, presice dos., in perfect programing!