Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[shinichi]

what about akai really being a member of the BO this whole time and working for them as a spy in the FBI? that'd be one way to explain him surviving at least. that could also make akai burbon. not that it really holds any water but it'd certainly make an interesting plot device.

i personally like the idea that okiya is the leader of the BO, especially since gosho mentioned something about him (the boss) appearing in some form in the manga before even if it was only in name.

[yukionna]

Well, Ran said that Okiya seemed familiar. So she (and possible we) may have already met him...

[AICHAN]

Well, Ran said that Okiya seemed familiar. So she (and possible we) may have already met him...

yes you're right!it could be someone who Ran have seen once  in her life( like makoto kyogoku) and who haven't been introduced in the manga!or maybe okiya look like someone she knows(a brother of someone she knows for example)

[Found]

(but when i saw okiya with pink hair,i forget this idea)

Okiya has pink hair?!! Oh, man..

Hi guys i'm new ! (Please don't mind my bad English, i'm french)

I had an idea recently, and if Okiya was the hidden brother of Haibara ? Maybe he left the BO just like her, and that's maybe why she feels the pressure ! (my only clue was the hair color xD) What do you think ?

Possible ^^d

Well, Ran said that Okiya seemed familiar. So she (and possible we) may have already met him...

And that's where the Shuu=Okiya theory believers come in..

[Tenken]

Okiya has pink hair?!! Oh, man..

Who said that? LOL.... Okiya's hair is light brown 

[AICHAN]

Okiya has pink hair?!! Oh, man..

Who said that? LOL.... Okiya's hair is light brown 

if you see the anime,it seems a bit pink,i don't know why they choosed this colour!okiya is handsome in the manga but the anime ruin his beauty  a bit

[Found]

Oh, really? I can't say anything about that since I don't watch anime.. O_o.. oh well! *looks for Okiya vids on YouTube*

[FanOfShinichi]

My personal theory: Bourbon = Eisuke/Sonoko/Yuminaga/Kansuke Yamato... Well one of them must be...  I don't really feel like he is Okiya or Scar Akai...

- Eisuke: His information gathering skill is unbelievably TOO good I must say. In quite a short time, he has found out that the last one visited Rena was Mouri Kogorou... And in even a shorter time, he has discovered Mouri being a "puppet" of Conan. Then, he has also found out that Conan = Shinichi, which was totally hard for other people to do that, even Ran. The reason why Haibara didn't feel anything from him was because he has just been activated... After all, Eisuke's the most suspicious for me...

- Sonoko: She has met Okiya, who is related to the BO, at Shinichi's house... But she seems quite normal to me, so it may not be her...

- Yuminaga (I don't know if I spelled it correctly): I don't know why I suspect him, I just have a bad feeling about him...

- Kansuke Yamato: The same with Conan324's ideas.

[Akonyl]

- Eisuke: His information gathering skill is unbelievably TOO good I must say. In quite a short time, he has found out that the last one visited Rena was Mouri Kogorou... And in even a shorter time, he has discovered Mouri being a "puppet" of Conan. Then, he has also found out that Conan = Shinichi, which was totally hard for other people to do that, even Ran. The reason why Haibara didn't feel anything from him was because he has just been activated... After all, Eisuke's the most suspicious for me...

well to be fair, eisuke wasn't sure that conan was shinichi, he just suspected it. He didn't know it for sure until conan straight up told him.

[Nyarl]

- Sonoko: She has met Okiya, who is related to the BO, at Shinichi's house... But she seems quite normal to me, so it may not be her...

I checked and as far as I can tell Bourbon really is male like the translation implies. Or, at least Kir referred to him with å½¼ read as "kare", which is gender specifically male according to Rikaichan's dictionary.

[caribou]

My personal theory: Bourbon = Eisuke/Sonoko/Yuminaga/Kansuke Yamato... Well one of them must be...  I don't really feel like he is Okiya or Scar Akai...

- Eisuke: His information gathering skill is unbelievably TOO good I must say. In quite a short time, he has found out that the last one visited Rena was Mouri Kogorou... And in even a shorter time, he has discovered Mouri being a "puppet" of Conan. Then, he has also found out that Conan = Shinichi, which was totally hard for other people to do that, even Ran. The reason why Haibara didn't feel anything from him was because he has just been activated... After all, Eisuke's the most suspicious for me...

humm... that WOULD be interesting because Eisuke 'disappears' from the story at about the same time that Bourbon is on the move! And maybe Rena hasn't actually seen Bourbon before so she wouldn't know that it's her own brother...? o_o (the plot thickens!!!)

whether he's a BO member or a good guy in the end, I also believe Eisuke's part in the main storyline isn't quite over yet!

[Blaze of Glory]

There's no doubt about it Okiya is Bourbon

You see him smirking at Akai with a sort of "Found ya" look on his face and when he see's Gin's car across the street and Chianti preparing to snipe Akai as soon a he comes out of the department store.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I checked and as far as I can tell Bourbon really is male like the translation implies. Or, at least Kir referred to him with å½¼ read as "kare", which is gender specifically male according to Rikaichan's dictionary.

WWWJDIC and Wikipedia also agree that "kare" specifies masculinity. Nice catch! Of course it would be unwise to completely rule out the possibility that Hidemi is wrongly assuming Bourbon is male...

There's no doubt about it Okiya is Bourbon

You see him smirking at Akai with a sort of "Found ya" look on his face and when he see's Gin's car across the street and Chianti preparing to snipe Akai as soon a he comes out of the department store.

Okiya is most likely NOT Bourbon. Go to the bottom of the page.

There is very convincing evidence that Okiya is not Bourbon. You must come up with some equally convincing evidence before you can say there is no doubt. If there is one thing you can take from DC, it is to carefully evaluate the facts and not blindly trust whatever view those sidebars are pushing.

My personal theory: Bourbon = Eisuke/Sonoko/Yuminaga/Kansuke Yamato... Well one of them must be...  ;D I don't really feel like he is Okiya or Scar Akai...

- Eisuke: His information gathering skill is unbelievably TOO good I must say. In quite a short time, he has found out that the last one visited Rena was Mouri Kogorou... And in even a shorter time, he has discovered Mouri being a "puppet" of Conan. Then, he has also found out that Conan = Shinichi, which was totally hard for other people to do that, even Ran. The reason why Haibara didn't feel anything from him was because he has just been activated... After all, Eisuke's the most suspicious for me...

Eisuke being Bourbon is unlikely. There are a couple problems with this theory which I will subdivide by whether "Bourbon Eisuke" is good of bad:

Problems if "Bourbon Eisuke" is good (i.e. a spy infiltrating the organization)
1)Why would Eisuke's sister, Hidemi (Kir), warn the FBI about a newly activated agent if it was her brother? Bourbon was only recently activated after Hidemi returned to the org. Hidemi would know if Eisuke was doing this sort of thing and would probably have informed someone, like Jodie, about it. There is no good reason for Eisuke to withhold the information from Conan.
2)Assuming the organization doesn't make just anyone a codenamed agent in a short period of time, that would mean Eisuke had probably already infiltrating the org before Hidemi wound up in the hospital. Eisuke should have known who his sister was and would not have had to go looking for her. I haven't thought this point through completely, but in general it seems odd that Eisuke would somehow manage to infiltrate the organization in the first place.
3)The org would have to be as dumb as rocks. Eisuke enrolled in Teitan high as Eisuke Hondou. Gin knows the family name of the CIA killed was Hondou. The organization probably does background checks...
4)What would Eisuke have against Akai? Gin and Vodka seem to believe the reason is genuine and convincing. I suppose Eisuke could have made something up...

Problems if "Bourbon Eisuke" is bad
1)It would require a tortuous trainwreck of logic to explain Eisuke's behavior between the org vs. the FBI and the red vs. black arcs. It would be unbelievable. I will make the assumption that he hasn't ratted out Hidemi because she is his sister. I suppose you can explain the reason why he hasn't turned Conan or Haibara in yet is because he has a crush on Ran and turning in the shrunken teens would mean Ran will likely get killed. ... But if Eisuke suspected Conan from near the get go, why would he have waited on turning them in before he had developed attractions to Ran?
2)Why would Bourbon hate Akai? After all, Akai got himself apparently killed in order to save Hidemi. If Eisuke were Bourbon, he should be grateful.
3)Would the org trust the son of a CIA agent?
4)Wouldn't his sister know that he was in the org and inform everyone about it? She is a protagonist after all...
5)Conan doesn't feel like he would have that type of personality (snake nail hammer case). He would would have to be a ridiculously good actor...

That's all I can come up with now. If you want more reasons I will think about it more later.

[sstimson]

Bourbon might be Vermouth. Why? The reason is they seem to be very similar. See Below:

Spoiler:

2 Point: Both are/were looking for Sherry

Gin Said"... Like vermouth,he's a secretive one ..."

As for Bourbon being male. Just Remember the New York Case

and tell me this picture is female ( The Serial Killer {Silver hair} )

Spoiler:

[Akonyl]

who knows, maybe

but infiltrating an organization that you're already a part of, disguised as the opposite sex is sort of a weird thing to do.