BO Goal Research Question

[unclesporkums]

Hey everyone,I just wanted to ask regarding the BO's Goal

Spoiler:

of immortality,seeing as how they sent Sherry and possibly more agents to the mermaid island to research it's possible immortality properties,do you think they would have also sent agents to Florida to research The Fountain of Youth,or do you think they wouldn't have bothered,and wrote it off as "tourist trap bunk"?

[Nyarl]



Hey everyone,I just wanted to ask regarding the BO's Goal

Spoiler:

of immortality,seeing as how they sent Sherry and possibly more agents to the mermaid island to research it's possible immortality properties,do you think they would have also sent agents to Florida to research The Fountain of Youth,or do you think they wouldn't have bothered,and wrote it off as "tourist trap bunk"?

Why not research all of the legends they've come across? Not sure whether it was really the Org.'s goal or the Miyanos' goal though. Depends on how one interprets Pisco's comments to Haibara, and Vermouth blaming the research on Shiho's parents rather than the Org. as a whole.

[caribou]

I personally think Shiho's parents (or just father? /mother?) went to Mermaid Island on their own, i.e. not under BO's orders.. I think they were perhaps always interested in this idea of immortality, and had been conducting their own research on a drug to reverse aging, and midway the BO employed them.  Maybe that's how they got their 'mad scientist' reputation (from what Agase said at one time, if I remember correctly), because they were working towards this seemingly impossible goal...

maybe the ultimate goal is still money.. common drugs already have high demand because their addicts are always coming back for more, but a drug that stops you from dying? everyone would want it and everyone would keep coming back for sure..

[Tenken]

@unclesporkums :  very good point!  I didn't even think further about that.  I thought it was somebody with the same name as Sherry's.

Sherry's research on APTX 4869 is to find a way to prolong life. Whether or not she did it on BO Boss' order is unknown to me, but at least that's how I see it.

[yukionna]

maybe the boss has a dying/dead loved one he wants to revive.

[Akonyl]

actually, this whole aptx thing is confusing.

if it was meant to lengthen someone's  life, why would gin carry it with him? and why did he use it on shinchi?

yeah, I never really saw it as an immortality medicine, really.

Although, it does sort of make sense. Perhaps in low doses, it's just supposed to halt cell aging, but in overdoses it actually reverses it and causes massive cell death? So, the version Gin's carrying around would be the weaponized OD version of it. Although I'm not sure if that's really the case, but it would fit with what people seem to be saying.

[Eve]

Actually, it's not completed ... I think, their research I mean

Probably the drug was one of the important component where they can use other technology, or programs (which is why they need system engineer, and programmers) to actually "revive", the drug itself is killing the cell reproduction and completely vaporize the body I think

[caribou]

I don't think Gin actually knows about the APTX research.

In chapter 1, he refers to it as a 'poison'. (I don't know why he has it with himeither, though). Also, if he knew about the research and the fact that Sherry was working on that very research, he would have started looking at little kids, especially little kids that mysteriously just transferred to schools around there. Maybe he only knew Sherry's research as the 'poison' research, that is to kill a person without leaving any traces, but didn't know of the true/side effects.

[Nyarl]

I don't think Gin actually knows about the APTX research.

In chapter 1, he refers to it as a 'poison'. (I don't know why he has it with himeither, though). Also, if he knew about the research and the fact that Sherry was working on that very research, he would have started looking at little kids, especially little kids that mysteriously just transferred to schools around there. Maybe he only knew Sherry's research as the 'poison' research, that is to kill a person without leaving any traces, but didn't know of the true/side effects.

If Gin sees it as just a poison, why would he anticipate that Sherry would want to risk an attempt to retrieve some of it?

[SkyVenger]

If Gin sees it as just a poison, why would he anticipate that Sherry would want to risk an attempt to retrieve some of it?

Because if Sherry has it, she can enhance it and make more to use against BO... Gin might be thinking something between those lines.

APTX 4869 was not made for immortality purposes, nor is a reject/failure created during the search for immortality. If it was, even Sherry herself would say so. The rat that shrunk out of all test subjects was a rare occurence... a drug made for immortality is useless if it has less than 1% probability, even 50% if you ask me.

It was really meant to vaporize the body to dust. Gin wasn't aware of the details, but he knew that the drug was some sort of poison that can kill effectively. Only scientists meddle with details, after all. Though we are all aware that BO might be searching for age-slowing or immortality drugs, seeing Vermouth and all. Anyone who knows how old Vermouth is? (If it was said in the manga/anime, I forgot it; i phail, i know )

edit: But now, technology can make even a 60-yr old face look like 40's... Does Vermouth really look that impossibly young for her age?

[contradicting_self=stupid_theory]

Spoiler:

If, just if, APTX 4869 was really meant for immortality, Vermouth might be the first one who shrank; reason why she found Conan and Ai herself

[/contradicting_self]

edit: I was too focused on the APTX, I wasn't able to answer the main question
And yes, they are probably researching on immortality but...
Fountain of Youth? Meh... A 130-yr old hag seen living irl is definitely more interesting.

[Tenken]

yeah, I never really saw it as an immortality medicine, really.

It's funny to imagine that the BO wants to advance medicine
They probably intended to benefit only themselves.  

APTX 4869 was not made for immortality purposes, nor is a reject/failure created during the search for immortality. If it was, even Sherry herself would say so.

So what do you think is the purpose of APTX ?
In earlier vol, Haibara said something like, 'going against nature' (I don't remember the whole line),
and (in a professor's diary):  "We are both god and devil, since we're trying to raise the death against the stream of time",
and how to explain for Vermouth-Sharon situation?

[Akonyl]

I don't think Gin actually knows about the APTX research.

In chapter 1, he refers to it as a 'poison'. (I don't know why he has it with himeither, though). Also, if he knew about the research and the fact that Sherry was working on that very research, he would have started looking at little kids, especially little kids that mysteriously just transferred to schools around there. Maybe he only knew Sherry's research as the 'poison' research, that is to kill a person without leaving any traces, but didn't know of the true/side effects.

If Gin sees it as just a poison, why would he anticipate that Sherry would want to risk an attempt to retrieve some of it?

In order to make antidotes to poisons, it's very helpful to have the chemical formula of the poison. So it's not that she wants the drug to use, she just needs it for analyzation, since the disc with the APTX formula on it that she got earlier was destroyed by Night Baron.

[caribou]

as has been pointed out, I think it's reasonable that she would want the drug for analysation purposes. also it's a research that her parents have worked on for years, possibly she might not want it to remain in the hands of the BO.

anyway, if Gin did know that the drug could shrink people, and if he did know that Sherry might have some on her, I don't think he would be so convinced that her appearance would be exactly the same.

[Nyarl]

If Gin sees it as just a poison, why would he anticipate that Sherry would want to risk an attempt to retrieve some of it?

Because if Sherry has it, she can enhance it and make more to use against BO... Gin might be thinking something between those lines.

The problem with this is that we were led to believe that Gin was predicting her actions because he knows her really well, not just because he was projecting vindictive motives onto her and was coincidentally right about her actions. (This is why Conan was sure she'd be safe staying in Beika with Agasa after escaping {Gin} and Pisco.)  

Would she really be that vindictive then, to work on her own just to make a better poison to use against the Org.? Not impossible, I suppose, but I doubt that.

In order to make antidotes to poisons, it's very helpful to have the chemical formula of the poison. So it's not that she wants the drug to use, she just needs it for analyzation, since the disc with the APTX formula on it that she got earlier was destroyed by Night Baron.

Eh, I doubt Shiho would waste time trying to find a cure if she hadn't shrunk or met Shin'ichi. The chance a cure could be particularly useful given the way the Org. operates seems pretty low. It's not like Shiho can consistently rely on blind luck to cross the Org.'s path and find their victim in time.

Even if she knows the Org. is actually planning to use APTX for large scale attacks, not just discreet assassinations, I doubt Gin would think that she'd risk her life solely to find a cure that might save nameless strangers, given what she says to Conan in volume 37.

I think Gin knows that she wants to complete her parents' research, and that it's not just about a poison. I don't know if he knows as much about the research as Pisco knew, but I doubt Shiho is particularly safe from him in child form (even Shuichi and Jodie immediately recognized that she looked like Sherry and became suspicious).

[sstimson]

In order to make antidotes to poisons, it's very helpful to have the chemical formula of the poison. So it's not that she wants the drug to use, she just needs it for analyzation, since the disc with the APTX formula on it that she got earlier was destroyed by Night Baron.

Actually that raises a interesting question: Even though the data in a readable form has been destroyed. The data should still be on the disk. I hear of companies that do data recovery. Do you believe this data is completely unrecoverable or maybe by talking to FBI, or CIA, and then giving them the disk could recover the data and with it the formula?