Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[AICHAN]

contrary to a lot of people here,i hope that akai is not okiya,since i think it would be too easy,like the theory that okiya is bourbon! anyway i think that it's the most possible thing that akai=okiya or akai=okiya=bourbon since conan seems to trust okiya and let him to live in his house,next to ai and agasa!but i really hope that gosho will surprise us with a thing that nobody has never thought!!(like okiya is a member of akai's family ,or is a cia member who chase after boubon  don't worry i know that my theories sucks!) 

[ShinRan36]

no why sucks? Maybe you are right. But there are proofs that Okiya HAS to be BOURBON.

1.)The frontispiece to chapter 677 is decorated by a bottle Bourbon. In the chapters Bourbon does not emerge obviously, however a person is to be seen, that could be Bourbon.

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2.) Subaru has its first appearance briefly after Conan of the FBI experienced that the organization set an astute and smart member on Ai with code name the Bourbon. This description fits very well on Subaru, which acts very smartly and astutely.

3.) With Subarus first appearance has Ai equal feeling that among the three suspects, to which Subaru belonged a member of the organization is.

4.)Subarus favourite color is black, since this color again-reflects its feelings on the inside, about which it not to know wants. Therefore is black also the color, which it hates. This is a further indication for the fact that it concerns with Subaru Okiya the member Bourbon, particularly since Ai, as soon as she is in close proximity to him, has the feeling that a member of the organization is in the proximity. In addition, this could be only coincidence or have other reasons.

5.) When the case with the paper fliers was solved, we can see him drinking Bourbon.

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6.) After Conan solved a case, we also can see, how Subaru hides behind a garage observing Ai and Conan.

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Well are these points all coincidences? Or is Okiya really Bourbon??

[AgOkami]

no why sucks? Maybe you are right. But there are proofs that Okiya HAS to be BOURBON.

1.)The frontispiece to chapter 677 is decorated by a bottle Bourbon. In the chapters Bourbon does not emerge obviously, however a person is to be seen, that could be Bourbon.

Here:

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5.) When the case with the paper fliers was solved, we can see him drinking Bourbon.

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That is ment to make readers "hmmm, he might be bourbon" not "look, he likes bourbon, then he has to be Bourbon" =P

6.) After Conan solved a case, we also can see, how Subaru hides behind a garage observing Ai and Conan.

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Agasa called him asking him to prepeare some stuff in that garage so they could catch the murderer.

Not saying it's impossible that Okia is Bourbon, but nr 1, 5 and 6 are just not even half good enough to be mentioned.
So far, I still think the biggest clue we have is the way Conan and Okiya talk to each other.

[ShinRan36]

no why sucks? Maybe you are right. But there are proofs that Okiya HAS to be BOURBON.

1.)The frontispiece to chapter 677 is decorated by a bottle Bourbon. In the chapters Bourbon does not emerge obviously, however a person is to be seen, that could be Bourbon.

Here:

Spoiler:

5.) When the case with the paper fliers was solved, we can see him drinking Bourbon.

Spoiler:

That is ment to make readers "hmmm, he might be bourbon" not "look, he likes bourbon, then he has to be Bourbon" =P

6.) After Conan solved a case, we also can see, how Subaru hides behind a garage observing Ai and Conan.

Spoiler:

Agasa called him asking him to prepeare some stuff in that garage so they could catch the murderer.

Not saying it's impossible that Okia is Bourbon, but nr 1, 5 and 6 are just not even half good enough to be mentioned.
So far, I still think the biggest clue we have is the way Conan and Okiya talk to each other.

Yeah, we even dont know whether conan knows who okiya is..

[Blaze of Glory]

I myself believe that

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Akai = Bourbon = Okiya!!!

That explains why Conan lets Okiya stays in his house, coz' somehow he knows that Okiya is Akai. But Okiya-Akai is always Gin's secret weapon - Bourbon  One more thing, if Shuichi Akai really wanted to kill Gin in volume 49, he would shoot Gin in the head, but he didn't, so I think he shot to say that "FBI are coming, run!". And again, when Gin told Kir to kill Shuichi, I don't think he's that careless not to double-check. I think his smile means "Welcome back, Bourbon"
How about that 

BTW, I'm new. So... HI 

Welcome to DTCP forums bud 

I'm also new to these forums as you can tell from my post count

Btw I like your theory seems quite plausible

[Found]

Not saying it's impossible that Okia is Bourbon, but nr 1, 5 and 6 are just not even half good enough to be mentioned.
So far, I still think the biggest clue we have is the way Conan and Okiya talk to each other.

.. and the fact that Conan trusts him. Maybe he's treating him like that 'cause Okiya's a Holmes fan?

[Shana1412]

yeah he did say that "a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person" but the way he said it makes me think there's something else to it. then again chap 699 does screw with some therories,.... and bring up some new ones. so apparently shinichi didn't know shuu was alive (or so it seems)

[Tenken]

.. and the fact that Conan trusts him. Maybe he's treating him like that 'cause Okiya's a Holmes fan?

Obviously Conan trusts Okiya. But "Holmes' fan" is not the reason

[caribou]

yeah he did say that "a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person" but the way he said it makes me think there's something else to it. then again chap 699 does screw with some therories,.... and bring up some new ones. so apparently shinichi didn't know shuu was alive (or so it seems)

hmm im pretty sure someone else has brought this up before but what if Okiya is Vermouth in disguise? Conan said 'a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person', not 'a holmes fan couldn't be a member of the BO'. and I think reading back Conan has suspected that Vermouth already knows his and Haibara's true identities, and since she hasn't ratted them out, maybe Conan suspects that Vermouth isn't an entirely bad person...?

just to add to the foray of theories

[Kite]

yeah he did say that "a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person" but the way he said it makes me think there's something else to it. then again chap 699 does screw with some therories,.... and bring up some new ones. so apparently shinichi didn't know shuu was alive (or so it seems)

hmm im pretty sure someone else has brought this up before but what if Okiya is Vermouth in disguise? Conan said 'a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person', not 'a holmes fan couldn't be a member of the BO'. and I think reading back Conan has suspected that Vermouth already knows his and Haibara's true identities, and since she hasn't ratted them out, maybe Conan suspects that Vermouth isn't an entirely bad person...?

just to add to the foray of theories

But Conan also said somewhere that he especially gets nervous from people like Vermouth, who always hide in the dark while their true intentions aren't made clear.

[caribou]

yeah he did say that "a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person" but the way he said it makes me think there's something else to it. then again chap 699 does screw with some therories,.... and bring up some new ones. so apparently shinichi didn't know shuu was alive (or so it seems)

hmm im pretty sure someone else has brought this up before but what if Okiya is Vermouth in disguise? Conan said 'a holmes fan couldn't be a bad person', not 'a holmes fan couldn't be a member of the BO'. and I think reading back Conan has suspected that Vermouth already knows his and Haibara's true identities, and since she hasn't ratted them out, maybe Conan suspects that Vermouth isn't an entirely bad person...?

just to add to the foray of theories

But Conan also said somewhere that he especially gets nervous from people like Vermouth, who always hide in the dark while their true intentions aren't made clear.

hmm that's true.... 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I was rereading Ikkaku rock arc since the episode is out and on the last page of chapter 666, Haibara thinks "As I thought, it's him..." I'm sure someone has pointed this out before, but while Haibara would know Rye (aka Akai), would she know Bourbon since s/he has only recently been activated according to Kir? Shiho's science program was top secret, so probably only codenamed agents really got to hear the details of what she was up to or meet with her. For her to be able to tell who someone is, Shiho and that person would probably have had to meet more than just in passing, and I doubt the org would let lower ranked agents in different areas of work hang around Shiho. For example, Shiho hadn't met Chianti and Korn, nor had seen Pisco since she was a child. Sorry if I repeated an old observation.

[TheBlind]

I was rereading Ikkaku rock arc since the episode is out and on the last page of chapter 666, Haibara thinks "As I thought, it's him..." I'm sure someone has pointed this out before, but while Haibara would know Rye (aka Akai), would she know Bourbon since s/he has only recently been activated according to Kir? Shiho's science program was top secret, so probably only codenamed agents really got to hear the details of what she was up to or meet with her. For her to be able to tell who someone is, Shiho and that person would probably have had to meet more than just in passing, and I doubt the org would let lower ranked agents in different areas of work hang around Shiho. For example, Shiho hadn't met Chianti and Korn, nor had seen Pisco since she was a child. Sorry if I repeated an old observation.

That's a good possible point as her line is up to interpretation. When I read that line I took it more as her confirming that the vibe was coming from Okiya during the Red,White, & Yellow case. If I remember correctly, she didn't know which of the three suspects was giving off the vibe as Mitsuko fell before she got close enough to pinpoint from which one it was coming from. It was only until Ikkaku rock that she was able to confirm that it was Okiya that was giving off the vibe(and not the remaining suspect, white.)

[shinichi1977]

A new prove. Ai just felt Okiya in the first case, nothing more. Bourbon have to be Yuminaga or one of the other suspects. If Okiya is from the CIA it would be logical. And than a bomb-Case (fire!).

If Bourbon does really exist, and not just an elaborate scam from Vermouth, then it can be very well Yuminaga, at least this was hinted in the vicinity around the time when Bourbon was mentioned. And still, Yuminaga can be a member and Bourbon can be completely fictional so that everyone is chasing a ghost while that other particular ghost shows up to confuse the unusual allies and thus severe every connection to the organization. As for the bombs, that is the jurisdiction of the bombs disposal unit and not the arson division, but he is suspicious also to the fact that he was Mouri's boss and knew he wasn't bright.

Okiya is definitely not one thing: a member of the organization. Speaking of Ikkaku Rock, when that fisherman was poisoned, Shinichi had already figured out who the culprit was and still gave his stun-gun wristwatch to Agasa in case he would be wrong and the ship's captain would have an other grudge and kill them both, which totally excludes the slightest possibility to be so illogical as to let someone live there whom he doesn't know who he is. On top of that they work together on cases and Okiya has Conan's phone e-mail address despite the fact he told Ran not to speak about Shinichi

[Nyarl]

A new prove. Ai just felt Okiya in the first case, nothing more. Bourbon have to be Yuminaga or one of the other suspects. If Okiya is from the CIA it would be logical. And than a bomb-Case (fire!).

If Bourbon does really exist, and not just an elaborate scam from Vermouth, then it can be very well Yuminaga, at least this was hinted in the vicinity around the time when Bourbon was mentioned. And still, Yuminaga can be a member and Bourbon can be completely fictional so that everyone is chasing a ghost while that other particular ghost shows up to confuse the unusual allies and thus severe every connection to the organization. As for the bombs, that is the jurisdiction of the bombs disposal unit and not the arson division, but he is suspicious also to the fact that he was Mouri's boss and knew he wasn't bright.

Okiya is definitely not one thing: a member of the organization. Speaking of Ikkaku Rock, when that fisherman was poisoned, Shinichi had already figured out who the culprit was and still gave his stun-gun wristwatch to Agasa in case he would be wrong and the ship's captain would have an other grudge and kill them both, which totally excludes the slightest possibility to be so illogical as to let someone live there whom he doesn't know who he is. On top of that they work together on cases and Okiya has Conan's phone e-mail address despite the fact he told Ran not to speak about Shinichi

Conan might only think he knows who Okiya really is. The Org. could have sniffed out something, like where Akai sleeps, found some fake documentation establishing the "Okiya" alter-ego and decided to have an agent use that alter-ego to try to flush out who has been helping Akai in Japan. Even Gin apparently not knowing Akai could be alive until file 700 doesn't quite rule that out, since they might have searched for Akai's place even if they didn't suspect a faked death. Though, once Gin sees Haibara and Conan starts blabbing about crime scene forensics in front of an Org. agent the delay in the Org's actions seems inexplicable.

As for what she says in that panel, we don't know enough about her Org. sense to say that proves it's not Okiya. Especially if she started feeling it again during Okiya's bluff, as Aoyama obviously wanted readers to assume. Though it's of course possible that she's seen Rye/Moroboshi use a similar ploy but never really had the same feeling around him. Heck it's possible she finally recognized that he's someone who was spying on her in the U.S. (someone like a CIA agent).

She didn't feel it when Yuminaga was around in Blue Spark. (I write that without qualification because I think Aoyama isn't so unfair to the readers that he'd hide that she did actually have that feeling in Blue Spark while having her openly admit to Conan that she had it during Red, White, Yellow). If it can't be Okiya because it's not always there when he's around why wouldn't the same logic apply to Yuminaga?