Bourbon's Identity: Who is Bourbon!?

[sstimson]

2) Let's say that Scar Akai is really Burbon.  The fact that Bourbon hates Akai makes me think that him taking Akai's spot (playing on Jodie's grief and desperation to get Akai back) and infiltrating the FBI seems rather poetic.  In fact, him pretending to lose his memory would help him get background information.

It would be too dangerous for scar Akai/Bourbon to infiltrate the FBI with an Akai disguise because the FBI would most likely send him to some hospital or run medical tests on him first. They might even take him back to the US. If Bourbon needed help from Vermouth with the disguise in the first place, then that means he probably couldn't maintain it long term by himself. His disguise would be revealed at some point. (He'd have to shower or sleep both of which would disturb a mask.) Also if Jodie or Camel got a really good look at him, they might notice something wrong, like missing scars, right handedness, etc. Camel has already expressed suspicion scar Akai may be an Org trap, so at the very least he wouldn't take scar Akai on face value like Jodie.
If the Org's goal was to infiltrate the FBI using an operative without Vermouth's disguise level, it would be wiser to replace an FBI agent who isn't so visible or well known in the FBI, and if necessary work up the ranks over the long term to the BO investigation team.

And the above reraises the Question: Why doesn't the Org. already have a Mole in place of the FBI?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

And the above reraises the Question: Why doesn't the Org. already have a Mole in place of the FBI?

My opinion is they haven't been able to get one in yet because it's hard to do.

[soratothamax]

The FBI don't have that kind of power in a foreign country even if they were there legally. There is no way the FBI can get help from the Japanese authorities while they are illegally investigating in the country.

Ever hear of Extradition and International Warrants? I sure if the need arose they could get one.  And I am sure Scar will appear again.

Even if the FBI had solid grounds to convince a judge that scar Akai deserved to be extradited to the US, which as Abs. pointed out the FBI don't have, the FBI asking for a warrant in their situation would be like you trying to get a job by breaking into a CEO's office, rummaging through her stuff, and when the CEO enters her office the next morning, you are sitting in her chair waiting to hand her your resume. It's not going to work and will result in criminal prosecution against you.

User 4869 already discussed this part, but I'll go for it too.

Second: The way Jodie is acting suggest that Akai said nothing to her about faking him death. I believe there is a good chance in this case that if Akai liked her enough, he would have hinted that. That could be proof of his being dead. It could also be a case of 'wanting REAL emotion', though if true seem to be mean, and I do not think Akai would be that mean.

It's true that Jodie's reaction to scar Akai shows that she doesn't know that the real Akai is alive. The reason for this is because Akai is using a "fool your friends to fool your enemies" tacticagain, just like he did when he didn't tell Jodie of the rest of the FBI about the plan to allow Kir to be recaptured from the three vans. (605.4) The problem is that this is not evidence of Akai being dead, only evidence that Jodie doesn't know if Akai is alive. Regarding Akai hinting that he is still alive to her if he truly loved her, Akai has already dumped Jodie for the sake of work once -dating Akemi to enter the BO- and may have left a hint to Jodie in the form of Jodie's drink coaster with a warning message.

Third: Scar already showed himself to the FBI and Jodie. Why do it again?

The first time the target was Jodie, the second time the target was Camel.

Could be by chance though very unlikey, also normally if a person calls you something and they are facing you, you would reply with 'I'm sorry. I'm not him' or 'I've never heard of that name'. Running away can be explained away once or twice as not hearing. When he shows a third, he better say something. (or see above - warrant time)

Scar Akai is making himself suspicious by playing the mute amnesiac. So what? He already accomplished what he needed to do by getting a reaction from the FBI agent he approached. As I pointed out above, Bourbon can't have a warrant put on him. The FBI can try to capture him illegally like they planned to do with Vermouth, but as long as scar Akai approaches only one to two FBI agents at a time and chooses to appear in public locations where the crowds prevent the FBI from using force to capture him, the FBI are SOL.

Looked up info on the FBI fbi.gov

It turns out the FBI CAN arrest you in other countries if you are an American citizen in an international country doing illegal crimes in that country. Vermouth is probably an American citizen (possibly) so they were going to arrest her in the country because she's doing something illegal in Japan, but she is the "property" of America. The only people they couldn't arrest were the criminals in the BO that are Japanese citizens unless they cross US border, or interfere even with international trade, and smuggle things in illegally. Or they hack into websites from international gateways online. If a Japanese citizen murders a US citizen, that's a stickier situation, and more then likely, the Federal Police will be involved and with permission, can arrest the murderer.

Realistically, the FBI wouldn't come into Japan without contacting the Japanese locals. But this is Gosho's world of mystery, and it seems the cops are dense, the BO is too good for them.

This what I got from the website on when they can arrest someone.

National Security Priorities Criminal Priorities

1. Counterterrorism
• International Terrorism
• Domestic Terrorism
• Weapons of Mass Destruction
2. Counterintelligence
• Counterespionage
• Counterproliferation
• Economic Espionage

3. Cyber Crime
• Computer Intrusions
• Online Predators
• Piracy/Intellectual Property Theft
• Internet Fraud

4. Public Corruption
• Government Fraud
• Election Fraud
• Foreign Corrupt Practices

5. Civil Rights
• Hate Crime
• Human Trafficking
• Color of Law
• Freedom of Access to Clinics

6. Organized Crime
• Italian Mafia/LCN
• Eurasian
• Balkan
• Middle Eastern
• Asian
• African
• Sports Bribery

7. White-Collar Crime
• Antitrust
• Bankruptcy Fraud
• Corporate/Securities Fraud
• Health Care Fraud
• Identity Theft
• Insurance Fraud
• Money Laundering
• Mortgage Fraud
• Telemarketing Fraud
• More White-Collar Frauds

8. Major Thefts/Violent Crime
• Art Theft
• Cargo Theft
• Crimes Against Children
• Cruise Ship Crime
• Indian Country Crime
• Jewelry and Gems Theft
• Retail Theft
• Vehicle Theft
• Violent Gangs

Also, the FBI has more than 50 international offices called "legal attachés" in U.S. embassies worldwide. So they don't need to send you to America to interrogate you. They possibly have an embassy in Japan to do so.

The main evidence they would need to arrest an American citizen in Japan is simply if they are armed with a weapon. That is enough evidence. International people are not allowed to possess a weapon when visiting a different country. And since Vermouth shot Jodie, that was enough evidence to arrest her, as they can trace the bullet that was lodged into Jodie.

[User 4869]

And the above reraises the Question: Why doesn't the Org. already have a Mole in place of the FBI?

My opinion is they haven't been able to get one in yet because it's hard to do.

Because the Author say so.
Or they already have one. Black or Camel, and Rena alive because they don't want to tell FBI they have Spy (where did I heard this, is it from you two?).
About Spy among FBI, how they know Camel become suspect in Shiranpuri case is still a question right.

The main evidence they would need to arrest an American citizen in Japan is simply if they are armed with a weapon. That is enough evidence. International people are not allowed to possess a

weapon when visiting a different country. And since Vermouth shot Jodie, that was enough evidence to arrest her, as they can trace the bullet that was lodged into Jodie.

Vermouth didn't shot Jodie, Calvados did. all Vermouth do is place bullet around where Ran/Haibara lying. on the contrary, Jodie bullet graze Vermouth.

[Abs.]

Because the Author say so.

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[kkslider5552000]

Because the plot says so.

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Abs signature is pretty boss or RP or whatever the kids are calling it these days :DDDD

[soratothamax]

And the above reraises the Question: Why doesn't the Org. already have a Mole in place of the FBI?

My opinion is they haven't been able to get one in yet because it's hard to do.

Because the Author say so.
Or they already have one. Black or Camel, and Rena alive because they don't want to tell FBI they have Spy (where did I heard this, is it from you two?).
About Spy among FBI, how they know Camel become suspect in Shiranpuri case is still a question right.

The main evidence they would need to arrest an American citizen in Japan is simply if they are armed with a weapon. That is enough evidence. International people are not allowed to possess a

weapon when visiting a different country. And since Vermouth shot Jodie, that was enough evidence to arrest her, as they can trace the bullet that was lodged into Jodie.

Vermouth didn't shot Jodie, Calvados did. all Vermouth do is place bullet around where Ran/Haibara lying. on the contrary, Jodie bullet graze Vermouth.

Just because the author says so doesn't mean it makes any common sense. That makes the author lose his credibility when he's trying to make a seemingly inventive and creative detective series, with a boy, who's supposed to have logic, but most of the things in the story/show aren't logical or have any common sense. That wouldn't look good as his credibility as a writer.

I would think that Gosho as a writer would want to keep his credibility.

[ProfParanoia]

Because the plot says so.

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[User 4869]

And the above reraises the Question: Why doesn't the Org. already have a Mole in place of the FBI?

My opinion is they haven't been able to get one in yet because it's hard to do.

Because the Author say so.
Or they already have one. Black or Camel, and Rena alive because they don't want to tell FBI they have Spy (where did I heard this, is it from you two?).
About Spy among FBI, how they know Camel become suspect in Shiranpuri case is still a question right.

The main evidence they would need to arrest an American citizen in Japan is simply if they are armed with a weapon. That is enough evidence. International people are not allowed to possess a

weapon when visiting a different country. And since Vermouth shot Jodie, that was enough evidence to arrest her, as they can trace the bullet that was lodged into Jodie.

Vermouth didn't shot Jodie, Calvados did. all Vermouth do is place bullet around where Ran/Haibara lying. on the contrary, Jodie bullet graze Vermouth.

Just because the author says so doesn't mean it makes any common sense. That makes the author lose his credibility when he's trying to make a seemingly inventive and creative detective series, with a boy, who's supposed to have logic, but most of the things in the story/show aren't logical or have any common sense. That wouldn't look good as his credibility as a writer.

I would think that Gosho as a writer would want to keep his credibility.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLawOfConservationOfDetail

If you add a spy. you need to leave clues to reader to find out. The purpose of the case will focus on unmasking the spy(Just like Kusuda case). And when they found out it will back to no "Spy among us" again. If you just add a spy from BO without have any FBI suspect about it but show to reader you insult the FBI and Conan's intellegence.

That the reason for "real wolrd" side
If you talk about reason in DC universe, I couldn't think of any thing but what Chekhov MacGuffin or I mention.

[kkslider5552000]

Because the plot says so.

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awesome relevent pic man!

[casualvgm]

Bourbon identity, my thinking calvados!
calvados never die, (die guy Lower org mebers, not calvados)

circumstantial evidence-
1. unknown man(black blind)

Spoiler:

2. secretive (vermouth trick)
3. similar hat & clothes (Bourbon hat & clothes)

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[User 4869]

Eh. Chainti so angry that Calvados die because she care for him. Now he's alive and Chainti see him but don't recognize him

[Suutashi]

but there are so many hints that show okiya as akai

what hints?  :P

1st: okiya and akai are left handed
2nd: conan trusts okiya.
3rd: remember that bottle okiya was drinking? bourbon whisky? later jodie mentioned that akai likes that drink too. and later there apears "akai" who is right handed. so one of them should be bourbon and other akai since his death is to suspicious to me. i think gosho just likes to keep us in confusion.  ;)

Excuse for a second while I have a face-palm moment........ Ok, really, why is it that people seem to automatically assume person drinking ____ type of alcohol= being a member of the Black Org under the codename of said alcohol. Jodie is partial to Fino, a kind of Sherry but that doesn't make her Sherry. So, yeah, Akai likes Bourbon and we see Okiya drinking a glass of Bourbon but that's only proving that both are fond of Bourbon. Have we ever known for absolute certain that Gin even likes to drink Gin and that Vodka even likes Vodka? We see them at a nightclub one time having drinks but are not made aware of what they were drinking. This is during Reunion With the Black Corps The Mysterious Passenger (fixed that) by the way. Vodka seemed rather interested in the Martinis so he may like that better than his alcohol derived codename.

[dilbertschalter]

Bourbon identity, my thinking calvados!
calvados never die, (die guy Lower org mebers, not calvados)

circumstantial evidence-
1. unknown man(black blind)

Spoiler:

2. secretive (vermouth trick)
3. similar hat & clothes (Bourbon hat & clothes)

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

The problem with this is that a lot of things in DC are "pretty similar". You can find several of characters who look related or have the same kinds of outfits, but aren't connected at all.

[AICHAN]

Akia is around 35

How do you know that?
I read that he's between 20 and 30 (I don't remember the book),around the same as Jodie...
Moreover,it's not difficult to fake an identity,with a good deguise,and acting skills ,you can be a different person...
Btw,his name is AKAI,not AKIA...