Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Eve]

It is impossible to not be wooed by Yoko's singing!

Everyone's bi for Yôko.

No way

[Akonyl]

Oh Eve, ever the innocent one. You didn't even realize your yearnings for Yoko, deep down...

[Abs.]

The confusion re DB/lovers lies in two places:

1) Some folks count Haibara and Conan as DB.  It is stated in the rules and roles that Haibara and Conan are NOT DB.  For example, they don't know who Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko are at the start of the game, and they don't use Identify.  So Conan can be a lover.  Haibara can be a lover.  I don't like how, were that not the case, an observer could just "Observe Dus = child" and automatically have found a 100% ally.

2) Schillok has an unhealthy obsession with children being lovers.

[Eve]

Oh Eve, ever the innocent one. You didn't even realize your yearnings for Yoko, deep down...

oh? I'm not the "evil" one but the "innocent" one now? And no I'm sure deep down in me is an endless abyss No yearning there

[Abs.]

Eve is Miss "15-year-old boys don't have any interest in that"  ::)

It makes sense that she would also hide her burning, lustful desire for Yoko.

[Schillok]

tbh, schillok's just sad that ayumi x conan is impossible.

Akonyl managed to see through me like glass once more.  ::)



But to be serious again: Maybe we should change how the Detective Boys work in the first place?

How about if there could be any number of them in a game? So either 0, 1, 2 or 3. Independent from lovers and friends.
If it is more than 1, they will know each other, like normal. They already have the disadvantage that they share their ability, meaning they only have 1 identification each day, even if all 3 are in the game.
However, if it is only 1 is there he/she will be like any other role. On their own, but not sharing their power with anyone.

That way the BO won't have that "We got one DB, there must be another one out there! We can't claim any roles or we might be identified! So let's find him/her now, because we have a good chance for APTX!" - feeling. Well, they will, but at the same time they might be lucky if they do so anyway. And townies looking for the second DB might end up in a BO trap...

[Akonyl]

Oh Eve, ever the innocent one. You didn't even realize your yearnings for Yoko, deep down...

oh? I'm not the "evil" one but the "innocent" one now? And no I'm sure deep down in me is an endless abyss No yearning there

you're still both. You're the type of person who'll shoot someone, drop the gun, go all doe-eyed and be like "oh, did I do that?"

[Abs.]

Well to be honest if you're BO, you don't know that there's just 1 more DB out there, or two.

As the rules stand, the number of DB is either 0, 2, or 3.

APTXing based on "We killed Mitsuhiko, and oh I found a possible DB, let's just APTX them as Ayumi AND Genta to kill them off!" is pretty moronic.  Also, if we removed panties from the "stealable from girl children" list like I had done, APTXing DB would be on par with APTXing anyone else - you wouldn't have both headgear AND panties to identify Ayumi.

[Eve]

Oh Eve, ever the innocent one. You didn't even realize your yearnings for Yoko, deep down...

oh? I'm not the "evil" one but the "innocent" one now? And no I'm sure deep down in me is an endless abyss No yearning there

you're still both. You're the type of person who'll shoot someone, drop the gun, go all doe-eyed and be like "oh, did I do that?"

awwww...... Note to self: Must destroy Akonyl's happiness soon, he's onto me! Will I really behave like that? *doe-eyed*

[Schillok]

The confusion re DB/lovers lies in two places:

1) Some folks count Haibara and Conan as DB.  It is stated in the rules and roles that Haibara and Conan are NOT DB.  For example, they don't know who Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko are at the start of the game, and they don't use Identify.  So Conan can be a lover.  Haibara can be a lover.  I don't like how, were that not the case, an observer could just "Observe Dus = child" and automatically have found a 100% ally.

With Anokata looking like a child that is not the case anyway.
Rather, what you suggested gives the chance to a "Observe Dus = child" and automatically find TWO allies.
I mean... if Dus had a BO lover he would hide him, right?

2) Schillok has an unhealthy obsession with children being lovers.

Nah, I just can't stand if the DBs are treated so differently from the other two children. Conan and Haibara already have the advantage of being rather good in finding allies with their abilities and because they are observed as children. So they don't need to be able to get even more allies right from the start by Sonoko or lovers.
Also, I see no difference in Haibara x Kobayashi and Mitsuhiko x Kobayashi. Allow the one and you should also allow the other. If not, then none should be possible.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Ayumi has to DIE!

But I like schilloks idea of the possibility of just  1 DB being in the game.


But other roles have the same problem with the stealing. I wanted to give new item. But I can't think of any good items that can be used :/

[Kleene Onigiri]

The confusion re DB/lovers lies in two places:

1) Some folks count Haibara and Conan as DB.  It is stated in the rules and roles that Haibara and Conan are NOT DB.  For example, they don't know who Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko are at the start of the game, and they don't use Identify.  So Conan can be a lover.  Haibara can be a lover.  I don't like how, were that not the case, an observer could just "Observe Dus = child" and automatically have found a 100% ally.

With Anokata looking like a child that is not the case anyway.
Rather, what you suggested gives the chance to a "Observe Dus = child" and automatically find TWO allies.
I mean... if Dus had a BO lover he would hide him, right?

2) Schillok has an unhealthy obsession with children being lovers.

Nah, I just can't stand if the DBs are treated so differently from the other two children. Conan and Haibara already have the advantage of being rather good in finding allies with their abilities and because they are observed as children. So they don't need to be able to get even more allies right from the start by Sonoko or lovers.
Also, I see no difference in Haibara x Kobayashi and Mitsuhiko x Kobayashi. Allow the one and you should also allow the other. If not, then none should be possible.

It's not because it's mitsuhiko. But because they already have a group.
Remove the groupe (or use my suggeston), then the DBs can be lovers/friends too.

[Abs.]

The confusion re DB/lovers lies in two places:

1) Some folks count Haibara and Conan as DB.  It is stated in the rules and roles that Haibara and Conan are NOT DB.  For example, they don't know who Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko are at the start of the game, and they don't use Identify.  So Conan can be a lover.  Haibara can be a lover.  I don't like how, were that not the case, an observer could just "Observe Dus = child" and automatically have found a 100% ally.

Rather, what you suggested gives the chance to a "Observe Dus = child" and automatically find TWO allies.
I mean... if Dus had a BO lover he would hide him, right?

Please explain.  What I'm getting is:

Abs. observes Dus on Night 1
Dus is a child!
Abs. is happy!  Abs. tells Dus, "Hey I'm totally Jodie!"
Dus is  >:D
Dus tells his BO lover Akonyl, "Psst Abs. is totally Jodie!"
Akonyl tells his BO buddies, "Hey guys trust me, Abs. is totally Jodie and we should use the APTX"
Abs. dies on Day 1

or, in the long, horrifying version, Abs. tells Dus what everyone's roles are, and everyone dies on Day 3

[Eve]

The confusion re DB/lovers lies in two places:

1) Some folks count Haibara and Conan as DB.  It is stated in the rules and roles that Haibara and Conan are NOT DB.  For example, they don't know who Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko are at the start of the game, and they don't use Identify.  So Conan can be a lover.  Haibara can be a lover.  I don't like how, were that not the case, an observer could just "Observe Dus = child" and automatically have found a 100% ally.

With Anokata looking like a child that is not the case anyway.
Rather, what you suggested gives the chance to a "Observe Dus = child" and automatically find TWO allies.
I mean... if Dus had a BO lover he would hide him, right?

2) Schillok has an unhealthy obsession with children being lovers.

Nah, I just can't stand if the DBs are treated so differently from the other two children. Conan and Haibara already have the advantage of being rather good in finding allies with their abilities and because they are observed as children. So they don't need to be able to get even more allies right from the start by Sonoko or lovers.
Also, I see no difference in Haibara x Kobayashi and Mitsuhiko x Kobayashi. Allow the one and you should also allow the other. If not, then none should be possible.

It's not because it's mitsuhiko. But because they already have a group.
Remove the groupe (or use my suggeston), then the DBs can be lovers/friends too.

Agree with Kleene's point, It's not because they're children, but because they have a group, like having 3 DBs and suddenly one more role who's a lover.... So a group of 4 to start with?
@ Schillok, and you're saying that Conan and Haibara can form allies quickly thanks to their abilities, but DBs started the game WITH allies, and they can identify an actual role. If instead of going around and tell everyone they're DB, they sit back a little, could have still been able to form allies, especially when people go "Prove me!" when they try to defend themselves..... I don't see how Conan and Haibara gets "more advantage", they're like other roles, starting out without knowing anything, chances are the ones to observe them as Child can observe DBs as child too....

[Schillok]

Well to be honest if you're BO, you don't know that there's just 1 more DB out there, or two.

As the rules stand, the number of DB is either 0, 2, or 3.

APTXing based on "We killed Mitsuhiko, and oh I found a possible DB, let's just APTX them as Ayumi AND Genta to kill them off!" is pretty moronic.  Also, if we removed panties from the "stealable from girl children" list like I had done, APTXing DB would be on par with APTXing anyone else - you wouldn't have both headgear AND panties to identify Ayumi.

How does headgear and panties identify Ayumi?
There are lot of other town-roles who possess that combination: Yumi, Kir, Kazuha, Eri, Sonoko (and KID+Yuriko in the correct disguise).
And: Once the BO knows a player is a DB then stealing the headgears would have told him just the same it was Ayumi. They wouldn't need panties for that.
It just increases the dependency of the BO on "luck" during the stealing to find out if it was Ayumi or not. (And in the same turn, tells them that stealing a schoolbook from that DB only has a 1/3 chance coming from Ayumi, but a 100% chance from Genta/Mitsuhiko. Meaning they could more likely risk a APTX instead of having to use another steal the next night.)


About the numbers: Yes. But the BO always knows for sure that there must be another DB out there. (Same for the town.)
However, if we allow 1 DB they won't know that. So the town has to spend a bit more effort to find out if the guy who just claimed to be the second DB is not a BO in disguise, taking the risk. And the BO might feel more comfortable to claim roles in bigger alliance when there is the chance that no DB is in the game anymore to identify them.