Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! Character Role Discussions

[Akonyl]

The change for Eri I proposed, but there's no love for it anyway. ;_;
Your proposal would make Satou almost as powerful as Megure. What if Vermouth disguises as Satou? Then the BO could get rid of two townies a night.

oh right, I dunno how I forgot about that anyway, because I was about to propose that Eri change anyway before you RMed me with it.
As for vermouth, I was going to put a "vermouth can't do this maybe" clause in it, but I dunno. Also, keep in mind that I said "only one person can be detained at a time", by that I meant that if you want to detain someone, you have to release the other person first.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Black learning which FBIs are in the game sounds good to me. In case someone is disguised as one of his subordinates, will he learn which one is disguised?

As to what I had planned for Eri:
She asks
"Dus has committed a crime"
and gets a Yes/NO answer.
Works similiarly to interrogate, because it's possible that a BO hasn't committed a crime or that she "subpoenas" Eisuke/Asami/Kid.

Oh, that sounds good XD I thought she randomly get's a name of a person that commited a crime XD

Btw, how is it then? Is it a crime that was done before only? Or also, in case the player is doing a crime at that phase, and didn't do one before?

Because you can just arrest for past actions. You can't arrest someone that is doing the crime in the same phase you do the arrest D:
I'd suggest it would be similar then? Just crimes from past phases count?


Btw @pisco:
When he gives the erase to someone, will it be considered a crime? I would say yes? It's not clarified yet :x

[PT]

The change for Eri I proposed, but there's no love for it anyway. ;_;
Your proposal would make Satou almost as powerful as Megure. What if Vermouth disguises as Satou? Then the BO could get rid of two townies a night.

Then maybe put a limit on it. Like she can't use it for 2-3 phases after the last time? So if she detains someone during Day 2, she can't do it again til  Day 4 or something?

[Dus]

Ah, didn't see that. Then it wouldn't be that much of an advantage for the BO. Vermouth could even arrest a BO if she felt like it.
*goes implementing that in round 18*

Well, I was going to say crimes committed the same phase count as well, but I don't really care either way.

I always understood Pisco's once-a-game ability as "someone else does the killing but Pisco tags along and erases the body".

[Akonyl]

Btw @pisco:
When he gives the erase to someone, will it be considered a crime? I would say yes? It's not clarified yet :x

afaik, it's still a crime, because he himself is doing the erasing, he's not giving the ability to someone else. He's just cleaning up after their mess after they do the deed.

Then maybe put a limit on it. Like she can't use it for 2-3 phases after the last time? So if she detains someone during Day 2, she can't do it again til Day 4 or something?

that wouldn't be needed anyway, because she can only have 1 person detained at a time.

Well, I was going to say crimes committed the same phase count as well, but I don't really care either way.

eh, I don't think they should, because they never have before.

[PT]

that wouldn't be needed anyway, because she can only have 1 person detained at a time.

Right, I see that now.

I always understood Pisco's once-a-game ability as "someone else does the killing but Pisco tags along and erases the body".

The only difference I see there is if Calvados covers an erasing, then if he kills the next night and erases the body, then he's the one committing the crime for that, not Pisco.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Well, it would be fix when it's "get the overall player amount down to 1/3". Which is basically, "Survive long enough!" And if you add the "kill certain players in the game", then the lovers also have too plan things out and not be passive and try to be lucky and not getting killed :x

I can't think of anything else :V Telling them to kill certain roles would reveal them that those roles are in the game (and be good for APTX)

Well yeah, like we could make it that: Get the player count down to 1/3 + certain roles have to die. And you could actually do that without telling them what roles are in the game. You could give them a list of 10 roles (some of which are in the game, some of which may not be), and then they have to find a way to have a certain number (3, maybe?) of those roles killed?

If that makes sense at all.

And maybe give that to the BO/BO or Town/Town pairs too (though, maybe a different list of roles for each pair, if there's more than one per game), that way they can try to pull off a lover's win if they want?

Black learning which FBIs are in the game sounds good to me. In case someone is disguised as one of his subordinates, will he learn which one is disguised?

If we give him the ability to know which roles are in the game, I would say "no" on finding out if one is disguised or which one it is. I know right now he can know that one of them is disguised but then again, he doesn't know which roles are in the game (unless all of them are). Or he can maybe know that one of them is disguised, but definitely not which one it is.

Detain
Night/Day action
-May detain any player at any time. The player will be arrested automatically, whether or not they've committed a crime.
-Will not be told what crimes that person has or hasn't committed.
-May not detain the same player more than once.
-May only detain one person at a time.
-May release those she has detained at any point, similar to Lawsuit (but also during the day).
-May not release someone and detain someone else in the same phase.

How useful is this? No clue, but it would give her something interesting, and could maybe backfire if she uses it incorrectly. It's the Eisuke approach to helping the town.

Actually, I kinda like this idea. XD

@lovers: Ohhh, sounds good. And true about BO/BO, Town/Town lovers. Tho I doubt they would choose that way when they can win with their side D:

Well, I wouldn't let James let know who exactly is disguised. And then, there would be a problem in case there is just 1 FBI subordinate in the game and he's disguised. Meaning, if Vermouth is disguised as Jodie, he would know that just jodie is in the game and that she is disguised (whether KID or Vermouth) D: Would give him a lot of info. And there are just 3 subordinates anyway, meaning the possibility of just 1 in the game is high D:

Detain sounds fun XD Not sure how useful it would be tho :x Can she release people as often as she wants to? And just 1 at a time then I guess?
Also, it should be posted that that player was "arrested" in the thread. Otherwise it would point to satou :V

[Akonyl]

Detain sounds fun XD Not sure how useful it would be tho :x Can she release people as often as she wants to? And just 1 at a time then I guess?
Also, it should be posted that that player was "arrested" in the thread. Otherwise it would point to satou :V

she can just release 1 at a time, but that doesn't matter because she can only have 1 person detained at a time. The holding rooms at the police station are only so large.

And yeah, all evidence would point to the person just being normally arrested, and the releases would look the same as a lawsuit.

[Kleene Onigiri]

alright @pisco XD

@eri: That ability is good. And it's not too powerful, since you would also detect blamed crimes. Meaning you could arrest a townie accidentally in case you tell a police officer.
Also, in case you want that person to be arrested, you would need to tell it to someone. She can't arrest herself. Meaning, if she tells the wrong person, the BO could find her.
On the other hand, it would also help Anokata with his blame. A BO could say that you thing someone made a certain crime and pretend to be Eri, or being told by Eri :x This way the BO could manage to get a townie arrested for a crime XD

[Dus]

Didn't think about Anokata at all. I'm leaning towards a "NO" answer if the subpoenad player was only blamed for a crime but didn't commit one themself.

[PT]

Didn't think about Anokata at all. I'm leaning towards a "NO" answer if the subpoenad player was only blamed for a crime but didn't commit one themself.

I like this idea. It gives the town a way to prove whether someone really committed a crime. If the investigation comes up true that X slandered Y, the investigator tells Eri, and Eri asks whether X committed a crime, then they would know that Anokata is in the game.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Didn't think about Anokata at all. I'm leaning towards a "NO" answer if the subpoenad player was only blamed for a crime but didn't commit one themself.

I like this idea. It gives the town a way to prove whether someone really committed a crime. If the investigation comes up true that X slandered Y, the investigator tells Eri, and Eri asks whether X committed a crime, then they would know that Anokata is in the game.

That's destroying the purpose of blame D:

[PT]

That's destroying the purpose of blame D:

Maybe, but that can only happen if Eri is in the game and working together with an investigator.

[Dus]

But if blamed actions count, then blame would become quite a bit more powerful.

[Akonyl]

It is destroying the purpose a little bit, but a BO could still pose as Eri and pretend that she found out someone did a crime (which was actually blamed) and get them arrested for it anyway.

Also, I still don't know why it's called subpoena.