Sharon and Chris

[kaitoushinichi]

One thing that I'm just a little confused about. I'm taking this one sentence at a time to make it less confusing.

Chris Vineyard is Sharon Vineyard's daughter.
But, they have the same fingerprints.
And Sharon Vineyard was recorded to have died some while ago (somewhere around one year ago).
Conan said that Chris Vineyard acted as her mother and herself through disguise.
But it's been confirmed that the face of Chris Vineyard is the true face of Vermouth.
But Sharon Vineyard told Yukiko that she taught her daughter Chris the art of disguise.
And she learned (using the face and true identity of Sharon Vineyard) the art of disguise from Toichi Kuroba

So, if all of the above is true, why did Chris play the part of Sharon Vineyard, since when, and how?

[takiko]

perhaps sharon was the one who disguised as chris... she had a daughter which died, and she disguised as her so she can join the bo freely...

[Chrissy]

One thing that I'm just a little confused about. I'm taking this one sentence at a time to make it less confusing.

Chris Vineyard is Sharon Vineyard's daughter.
But, they have the same fingerprints.
And Sharon Vineyard was recorded to have died some while ago (somewhere around one year ago).
Conan said that Chris Vineyard acted as her mother and herself through disguise.
But it's been confirmed that the face of Chris Vineyard is the true face of Vermouth.
But Sharon Vineyard told Yukiko that she taught her daughter Chris the art of disguise.
And she learned (using the face and true identity of Sharon Vineyard) the art of disguise from Toichi Kuroba

So, if all of the above is true, why did Chris play the part of Sharon Vineyard, since when, and how?

They THINK thst chris is sharons daughter
they are the same person
Faked her death
ya
plastic surgery? XD
lies..
so?

all will be revealed one day (or maybe itll stay as a mystsery) (or maybe that becasue gosho doesnt know what to say)

They THINK thst chris is sharons daughter
they are the same person
Faked her death
ya
plastic surgery? XD
lies..
so?

[LDCF]

sharon was the one who disguised as chris...

True.

I'll try my best to explain the sentences one by one. 
First: True.
Second: Also True. Because they're the same person.
Third: That was just a made up story. She faked her death, like Chrissy said.
Fourth: Also true. Because they are the same person, but that sentence was the one Conan said when he doesn't know YET that they're the same person.
Fifth: Yeah. I bet she already made her face looked younger [or it's possible that she took APTX 4869] when she became a member of BO.
Sixth: I think that was just a made-up story, for me.
Seventh: Nope. She didn't used Sharon's face. It really was Sharon.

So, it's all Sharon. Chris never existed. Chris was just a made-up story of Sharon to fake her death and join the BO .

One more thing. They have the same fingerprints, right? It was revealed when the FBI compared Sharon's fingerprints from 20 years ago and from Chris's fingerprints in the present. If it was all Chris, she was too young to murder Jodie's father at that time. So, in my opinion, it's all Sharon. 

Hope it lessens your confusion . . . a little. 

[kkslider5552000]

Sharon Vineyard faked her own death so that no one would notice that she never ages.

[c-square]

Sharon Vineyard faked her own death so that no one would notice that she never ages.

I always found that a little weird.  I mean, yes, I understand what they're getting at, but seriously, NO ONE in the DC universe ever ages.

[kyuuketsuki]

Ok... This thread is 90% conjecture.

1) Yes they have the same fingerprints. But we can only guess why, as it is clear she should look much older than she appears at present.

2) She can fake her own death, but its much harder to fake a birth, and a birth certificate. It IS possible, but I think it is more likely that she really did have a kid (at some point they were bound to be seen together, she was an actress after all, and probably had paparazzi on her constantly in America) Quite frankly, I think it would call attention if this child suddenly appeared. Given its possible, that she did such and Gosho will state some harebrained scheme to somehow show that she was able to appear due to some like like she had to give her up to preserve her image, and keep it secret. That to me seems unlikely though.

3) Where as people don't age in the time frame of the series, I think its fairly clear that the time that passes outside of the scope of the series moves normally.

Really I'm curious to see how Gosho explains this... But that will have to wait probably until the final encounter or an after scene where she is in custody and interrogated by the FBI...

[ShinRan36]

Welll I really think that Chris and SHaron are the same persons..why not?
Okay it really is difficult to fake a birth but..we cant know..

[Girl19]

I may be wrong, but that's what I understood after watching episode 345.

Chris and Sharon are the same person (as Jodie-sensei said), that's because they have the same fingerprints. 2 people, even twins, can never share the same fingerprints. So, as far as I understood: Sharon Vineyard = Chris Vineyard =  Vermouth. And I think that Sharon Vineyard's appearance and age are Vermouth's real appearance and age. She probably looks younger now as Chris Vineyard because she took APTX? Or maybe because of plastic surgery? lol Nothing's sure yet. Anyhow, in a certain period of time, Vermouth was playing 2 roles: Sharon Vineyard & Chris Vineyard, then she faked the mother's death (Sharon) and went to her "own" funeral as the daughter (Chris).

[miakakiri]

On the difficulty of faking a birth: My theory is that Sharon actually DID have a child, Chris, and thus the birth part wasn't faked. I think somehow Chris got killed or kidnapped or something, and is for whatever reason now out of the picture, so Sharon took over Chris' life.



And that feels REALLY weird to write......

[kaitoushinichi]

sharon was the one who disguised as chris...

One more thing. They have the same fingerprints, right? It was revealed when the FBI compared Sharon's fingerprints from 20 years ago and from Chris's fingerprints in the present. If it was all Chris, she was too young to murder Jodie's father at that time. So, in my opinion, it's all Sharon. 

But back in the clips where it shows Jodie as a child and Chris just killed her father, it's pretty clear that that person had long, platinum blonde hair.
Adding to that, it's also been said that just about 20 years ago (that's when Yukiko became famous as an actress, which is when she learned the art of disguise) that Sharon learned how to diguise with Yukiko under Toichi Kuroba's guidance...
And It was exactly 20 years from the current storyline that Chris Vineyard killed Jodie's father.

[takiko]

sharon was the one who disguised as chris...

Fifth: Yeah. I bet she already made her face looked younger [or it's possible that she took APTX 4869] when

yeah, the aptx 4869 is the best solution, since chris' face is truly her face... and jodie's question, why doesn't she age, supports this...

[LDCF]

sharon was the one who disguised as chris...

One more thing. They have the same fingerprints, right? It was revealed when the FBI compared Sharon's fingerprints from 20 years ago and from Chris's fingerprints in the present. If it was all Chris, she was too young to murder Jodie's father at that time. So, in my opinion, it's all Sharon. 

But back in the clips where it shows Jodie as a child and Chris just killed her father, it's pretty clear that that person had long, platinum blonde hair.
Adding to that, it's also been said that just about 20 years ago (that's when Yukiko became famous as an actress, which is when she learned the art of disguise) that Sharon learned how to diguise with Yukiko under Toichi Kuroba's guidance...
And It was exactly 20 years from the current storyline that Chris Vineyard killed Jodie's father.

Sorry if it might confuse you, but, let's try to put it this way: 

Sharon, 20 years ago, was still learning from Toichi Kuroba the art of disguise with Yukiko. We all know that she's better than Yukiko when it comes to disguises, so, her real face [for me] at that time, was like this:



It makes sense [for me] for her to show her real face in front of Yukiko and Toichi 'cause I bet Toichi will know if she's in disguise in front of him. So, that's her real face.

and then, at the same time, she's already a member of the BO, so, when she finally learned enough from Toichi, she murdered Jodie's father with this face:



This face was, as they say, Vermouth's real face. But not Sharon's. In other TV shows/movies/animes/etc., if the real person has a secret identity, her face in her secret identity side and her real face is somewhat different. So, what I think is she designed that face as the face of her secret side, and her real face was the one with the short hair.

To those who said that Sharon had a daughter and lived as her as she died:
I don't really get it. It fits in a way, but, it doesn't in a way too. Please explain it clearly to me. I'm sorry if I'm stupid enough to not get it. 

One more thing! Sorry if I confused you even more~ 

[kkslider5552000]

yeah, the chris and sharon thing is becoming oddly confusing


either
1. Sharon never had a daughter
2. Sharon's daughter died-



oh i see. So THAT'S why she's in the organization. I'm awesome at figuring out this stuff at random times.

[takiko]

i think the young sharon looks like chris... she did some changes in her hair and poof, it's chris...

and about the mouther-daughter thing, it's just my theory... i just thought about it because of her another personality... it  will be boring if vermouth's new idenity was all made-up...