Mafia Round 14 - The town strikes back (Town Wins!)

[KainTheVampire]

I honestly don't think that they were all that terrible.  Then again, I am a Townie, so I don't know how I would have acted in that situation...

they weren't that bad, but the big issue was that the BO had absolutely no way of knowing that. The fact that POs existed at all brought in a huge amount of uncertainty to what we did and didn't know, because we had no way of knowing if someone had a PO to pose as someone else, or if they finished a PO and got some new thing, or what. It's effectively trying to analyze a game where you don't have half the rules, and it doesn't really matter much if the other rules turned out to be nothing of consequence.

Oh, and Schillok: When we attempted to kill Kleene, and we received the "It's a Trap from the FBI!" PM, what was that about? I suspected it was due to a PO being fulfilled, but I didn't see anything of the sort on there relating to FBI agents.

I made it, but it failed
We were sure I was the target... Damn you!

[James Rye]

I liked my PO. It was easy to lie that the APTX i consumed made me immune which was a lie ofc, since it only made me into Genta.
But i knew that one of my contacts was BO, so i could easily made up such a lie which was believeable cause it was the first time we used POs.
That and xpon was... very suspicious with his *failed action but also injured*, while the rest got false or right investigations but also ended up injured.^^

With me as Genta i was just the next extra in the DB-Haibara group with Sonoko support.^g^

Also with xpon as informant for the BO, it was easy to manipulate them with made-up numbers for the days voting. Xpon would always vote with us to be not suspicious and the other BOs will either try to run with or won´t cause xpon didn´t told them about it at all.^^
With that pofa was pretty soon one of our targets, with the group getting larger every day and having the luck to find each night a BO, we could eliminate the suspicous BO-people without lynching a townie.

Next time make the POs more fair, plus a townie traitor who can win with the BO!

[Edogawa4869]

@Eve

That key would have helped you out a lot that round where you got yourself and CTU poisoned on the first day  ::)

I didn't think of it until I played in round 13 when I realized a pattern that repeats not just in one players, but several others as well, from both side

Well, apparently you need to see me play a bit more before you can make a judgement call on me.

Okay, bottom-line:
The town liked the PO.
The BO didn't.

Consider it an experiment. And if any GM redoes POs, they should reconsider how the PO of the BO work.


Again, they were only one factor that made the town so strong this game. The major reason is the early formation of alliances, due to lovers and observations. Or at least this is how I interpreted the night actions...

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

I honestly don't think that they were all that terrible.  Then again, I am a Townie, so I don't know how I would have acted in that situation...

they weren't that bad, but the big issue was that the BO had absolutely no way of knowing that. The fact that POs existed at all brought in a huge amount of uncertainty to what we did and didn't know, because we had no way of knowing if someone had a PO to pose as someone else, or if they finished a PO and got some new thing, or what. It's effectively trying to analyze a game where you don't have half the rules, and it doesn't really matter much if the other rules turned out to be nothing of consequence.

Oh, and Schillok: When we attempted to kill Kleene, and we received the "It's a Trap from the FBI!" PM, what was that about? I suspected it was due to a PO being fulfilled, but I didn't see anything of the sort on there relating to FBI agents.

It was Kain's (Jodie's) Set Up a Trap PO...  That night, we thought that you might go after her and we set it up with some added protection.  Needless to say, you attacked Kleene instead, and it failed...  :-\

[Akonyl]

Okay, bottom-line:
The town liked the PO.
The BO didn't.

Consider it an experiment. And if any GM redoes POs, they should reconsider how the PO of the BO work.


Again, they were only one factor that made the town so strong this game. The major reason is the early formation of alliances, due to lovers and observations. Or at least this is how I interpreted the night actions...

It's funny how I said it right in the first page of this thread (Or was it second?), even before the game starts.... and no one wanna take a note of it

I still don't see it, the only thing I see in the first few pages is you talking about killing the DBs

[Abs.]

I can say that the town definitely shared their POs with each other.

Even to the point of quoting their PO from the GM's PM -_-;

[Dus]

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

Yup, our victory was more or less decided when the three of us formed an alliance with the DBs (especially if nomemory was already in at that point, I honestly don't know).
A) We were allowed to tell each other our POs.
B) Quoting the GM is only disallowed if you're using it to prove our roles. We were all proven at that time. But Kain using my PO notification to pose as Ai was probably against the rules.

[Edogawa4869]

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

Yup, our victory was more or less decided when the three of us formed an alliance with the DBs (especially if nomemory was already in at that point, I honestly don't know).

I'm not sure...  I think that Kain had been talking to her around Night 3, but I don't remember...  Of course, they were probably talking well before that too, considering that they're sisters...

[Akonyl]

I honestly don't think that they were all that terrible.  Then again, I am a Townie, so I don't know how I would have acted in that situation...

they weren't that bad, but the big issue was that the BO had absolutely no way of knowing that. The fact that POs existed at all brought in a huge amount of uncertainty to what we did and didn't know, because we had no way of knowing if someone had a PO to pose as someone else, or if they finished a PO and got some new thing, or what. It's effectively trying to analyze a game where you don't have half the rules, and it doesn't really matter much if the other rules turned out to be nothing of consequence.

Oh, and Schillok: When we attempted to kill Kleene, and we received the "It's a Trap from the FBI!" PM, what was that about? I suspected it was due to a PO being fulfilled, but I didn't see anything of the sort on there relating to FBI agents.

I made it, but it failed
We were sure I was the target... Damn you!

ah, I saw that one but I figured that wasn't it, because I didn't think we woulda been notified about it unless it was aimed at us (but we managed to sneak out of it).

I can say that the town definitely shared their POs with each other.

Even to the point of quoting their PO from the GM's PM -_-;

:V

[KainTheVampire]

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

Yup, our victory was more or less decided when the three of us formed an alliance with the DBs (especially if nomemory was already in at that point, I honestly don't know).
A) We were allowed to tell each other our POs.
B) Quoting the GM is only disallowed if you're using it to prove our roles. We were all proven at that time. But Kain using my PO notification to pose as Ai was probably against the rules.

True... ^^''

[Eve]

I still see this as Schillok wanted the townies to win cause BO normally win, and made it hard as heck for us. the bomb, honestly I think it should have Bren explained all it did was confuse the BO...at least me...my BO was semi impossible without working together with anyone. Which I won't complain, but just saying. But it felt like the POs were against us and honestly for the townies. You turned the BO against each other.

I liked the Pos, but the BOs need another part where they can share or do something else and no consequence. The town pos weren't nearly as deadly...

I called it! XD

Okay, bottom-line:
The town liked the PO.
The BO didn't.

Consider it an experiment. And if any GM redoes POs, they should reconsider how the PO of the BO work.


Again, they were only one factor that made the town so strong this game. The major reason is the early formation of alliances, due to lovers and observations. Or at least this is how I interpreted the night actions...

It's funny how I said it right in the first page of this thread (Or was it second?), even before the game starts.... and no one wanna take a note of it

I still don't see it, the only thing I see in the first few pages is you talking about killing the DBs

hmm, maybe I deleted it? but if I remember correctly, there was one where I asked if PO are anyway to "save" BO, and proceeds on writing about how disadvantageous it would be... though I might have erased the latter

All and all, I promised you I totally called it, you can ask JR, i think I've saved a copy of how I told him that townie will win for sure before Night 1 ended XD But that was also b/c I learn xpon was BO from my key

[Akonyl]

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

Yup, our victory was more or less decided when the three of us formed an alliance with the DBs (especially if nomemory was already in at that point, I honestly don't know).
A) We were allowed to tell each other our POs.
B) Quoting the GM is only disallowed if you're using it to prove our roles. We were all proven at that time. But Kain using my PO notification to pose as Ai was probably against the rules.

I'm pretty sure quoting the GM is expressly forbidden for everything, actually. You're not allowed to quote dreams from the GM either, even though those have nothing to do with roles.

being allowed to tell people your POs is the same as being able to tell people dreams imo, you're supposed to paraphrase it.

[KainTheVampire]

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

Yup, our victory was more or less decided when the three of us formed an alliance with the DBs (especially if nomemory was already in at that point, I honestly don't know).
A) We were allowed to tell each other our POs.
B) Quoting the GM is only disallowed if you're using it to prove our roles. We were all proven at that time. But Kain using my PO notification to pose as Ai was probably against the rules.

I'm pretty sure quoting the GM is expressly forbidden for everything, actually. You're not allowed to quote dreams from the GM either, even though those have nothing to do with roles.

being allowed to tell people your POs is the same as being able to tell people dreams imo, you're supposed to paraphrase it.

Even between lovers?

[Edogawa4869]

Yeah, when Kain found Dus to be a child in Night 1, we aligned ourselves and then we got Kleene in Night 2.  From there, it just went all downhill for the BO.  Tell you the truth, most of it was luck...  And when I found Asami (Crap), after being caught in a lie with xpon where I claimed to be her, we pretty much aligned there and that doubled our chances of stopping a killer.

Yup, our victory was more or less decided when the three of us formed an alliance with the DBs (especially if nomemory was already in at that point, I honestly don't know).
A) We were allowed to tell each other our POs.
B) Quoting the GM is only disallowed if you're using it to prove our roles. We were all proven at that time. But Kain using my PO notification to pose as Ai was probably against the rules.

True... ^^''

If I recall correctly, you can fake PMs...  So I don't know if pretending that a PM sent by the GM to someone else was actually sent to you is illegal or not...  :V

[Eve]

LOL.... you're more of a genius than anyone else
Great analogy there XD, but my goal in life is more than that so no, I want to complete my life early, so I can retired by 50, and go live off in the mountains somewhere

clearly, everyone should have known this already.  8)
... :V

and if you just wanna go live in the mountains, you just gotta get some survival skill training, fly to some place with super remote mountains, and just run away. You'll be a crazy bearded hermit lady!

:V of course.... That's why you die early in the game
LOL Who knows, that was one of the possibilities

...!

I'm the dumbest person here, hurrrr durrrr! Really, hurrrrrr.

...whew I think that was good enough camouflage, should keep em uncertain for a bit...

and if that's a possibility, you don't need college for that! Go, flee!

LOL..... the second line might get them more uncertain about your intelligence more than the first

I want to complete my mother's wish first I do prioritize family wishes above all else

Alright, people, Town will surely wins, remember my words LOL unless Schillok is crazy enough to assign ONE BO member only

Have fun ppl, I'll be rooting for BOs since I still feel like Vodka lol

I think this one was the one where I editted out the PO part since I figured Schillok will ignore my question as he did with this one:

I think there are lots of useful applications for it.

since it's only subscription phrase my comments won't affect anything, and I'm not joining, just randomly commenting to try to understand the rules
If a town can be "save" from killing b/c they complete their task, how can BO be "save" ? Just wondering
and I think DB are target not b/c BOs want to see their death scene, but to rid of their identifying ability , and now Bo's priority will be: kill ALL DBs first thing lol

Making me eve more sure that the GM is especially biased But meh LOL

[Akonyl]

If I recall correctly, you can fake PMs...  So I don't know if pretending that a PM sent by the GM to someone else was actually sent to you is illegal or not...  :V

you can fake PMs as long as they're from other players, not the GM.

edit: from the rules:
- You may fake/quote/edit other players PM, just not the GM ones. However, the posting or PMing of other players’ PMs via screenshots are prohibited.