Mafia Round 14 - The town strikes back (Town Wins!)

Edogawa4869 · Post by **Edogawa4869** » September 25th, 2010, 6:19 pm

KainTheVampire wrote:
nomemory wrote:
KainTheVampire wrote:
nomemory wrote:
KainTheVampire wrote: Stop ignoring my question!
NEVER!
You're part of it too you know.... -.-'

EisukexJoide = awesome
Right now I'm me and I'm 17 and Eric's 16 <3
I have internet! So what'd I miss apart from nom calling her sis a shotacon?

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » September 25th, 2010, 6:21 pm

Eve wrote: HAHAHA.... you cracked me up How does having a more concentration of Bo among a large number of townies help? I can bet you anything that it will further decreases BO chances of winning
PO is a good idea if you're town, what I believe is town has 1. Number advantage, 2. Identity advantage which balanced out with BO 1. Less number among more 2. Trust among members
And Po tipped the scale significantly, from my point of view

it's impossible for more BOs to make them more likely to lose, because those BOs don't need to necessarily be tied to the rest of em. Though I do agree that that's a bad way of doing things, as then it would probably just make shorter games that are decided on Day 3, which is never good times. if the BO needs to become stronger, it shouldn't be through numbers.

Though I'm not gonna lie, once I saw my PO, and the name of the round I basically guessed we were done for from the start

Eve · Post by **Eve** » September 25th, 2010, 6:22 pm

Kleene Onigiri wrote: I see D:
Well, I liked the PO's (the town ones). But the BO had traitor PO's and it's already hard enough not to get discovered. And then even have a potential traitor is even worse D:

@eve: good :3

@schillok: I don't have a bold role part in my section T_T

@ kleene, yah....

, but the reason I'm announcing it is just to alarm ppl into changing their playing styles

, it's not like it's a perfect detector or anything like that

Akonyl wrote:
Eve wrote: HAHAHA.... you cracked me up How does having a more concentration of Bo among a large number of townies help? I can bet you anything that it will further decreases BO chances of winning
PO is a good idea if you're town, what I believe is town has 1. Number advantage, 2. Identity advantage which balanced out with BO 1. Less number among more 2. Trust among members
And Po tipped the scale significantly, from my point of view

it's impossible for more BOs to make them more likely to lose, because those BOs don't need to necessarily be tied to the rest of em. Though I do agree that that's a bad way of doing things, as then it would probably just make shorter games that are decided on Day 3, which is never good times. if the BO needs to become stronger, it shouldn't be through numbers.

Though I'm not gonna lie, once I saw my PO, and the name of the round I basically guessed we were done for from the start

Akonyl you should have known that from the Start, I mean I explicitly stated such in the first page, dear

, should have trusted me more XD

KainTheVampire · Post by **KainTheVampire** » September 25th, 2010, 6:23 pm

Edogawa4869 wrote:
KainTheVampire wrote:
nomemory wrote:
KainTheVampire wrote:
nomemory wrote:
KainTheVampire wrote: Stop ignoring my question!
NEVER!
You're part of it too you know.... -.-'

EisukexJoide = awesome
Right now I'm me and I'm 17 and Eric's 16 <3
I have internet! So what'd I miss apart from nom calling her sis a shotacon?
Nothing much darling ^^

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » September 25th, 2010, 6:24 pm

Eve wrote: Akonyl you should have known that from the Start, I mean I explicitly stated such in the first page, dear , should have trusted me more XD

you expect me to remember what other people said that long ago?

anywya, I'm curious, up until the day when I was gonna be lynched, and I just pretty blatantly went around as BO, what did it say about me?

Schillok · Post by **Schillok** » September 25th, 2010, 6:25 pm

Well, I did not expect to be able to prevent the BO from telling their PO to each other. I never intended it anyway.
The clause was just there to prevent the ones with the intrigues not having to admit what they try to do if they don't want to.

Beside, none of the POs really required them to "betray" their comrades. They just could have negative consequences on the PO of other members (Beastly, pofa), ignore orders (blurfbreg) or allow them to win with the town in case things are working in favor...

Well, I guess it is time to post the game logs, isn't it?

Kleene Onigiri · Post by **Kleene Onigiri** » September 25th, 2010, 6:26 pm

don't warn them XD

Edogawa4869 · Post by **Edogawa4869** » September 25th, 2010, 6:26 pm

Schillok wrote: Well, I did not expect to be able to prevent the BO from telling their PO to each other. I never intended it anyway.
The clause was just there to prevent the ones with the intrigues not having to admit what they try to do if they don't want to.

Beside, none of the POs really required them to "betray" their comrades. They just could have negative consequences on the PO of other members (Beastly, pofa), ignore orders (blurfbreg) or allow them to win with the town in case things are working in favor...

Well, I guess it is time to post the game logs, isn't it?

That would be good. ^^

Akonyl · Post by **Akonyl** » September 25th, 2010, 6:27 pm

Schillok wrote: Well, I did not expect to be able to prevent the BO from telling their PO to each other. I never intended it anyway.
The clause was just there to prevent the ones with the intrigues not having to admit what they try to do if they don't want to.

Beside, none of the POs really required them to "betray" their comrades. They just could have negative consequences on the PO of other members (Beastly, pofa), ignore orders (blurfbreg) or allow them to win with the town in case things are working in favor...

Well, I guess it is time to post the game logs, isn't it?

then why did you introduce it as a rule? Did you expect us to blatantly break the rule in the PMs that you told us to always also send to you? Why even make the rule then? >_>

That's like saying the rule about "dead people aren't allowed to PM people in the game" is only there so that people can break it when they feel it's necessary.

pofa · Post by **pofa** » September 25th, 2010, 6:28 pm

@Eve: Shiny...

Is it just by keyword no matter who uses it, or does it take into account the types of things the individual players always say when they're town/BO?

Schillok · Post by **Schillok** » September 25th, 2010, 6:28 pm

Players:

01. * Akonyl - Calvados
02. * Yurikochan - Bourbon
03. Conia - (Okiya - stolen by Vermouth); Shiratori
04. . Kleene Onigiri - Mitsuhiko
05. * pofa - Anokata
06. . PhoenixTears - Ayumi
07. * xpon - Irish
08. Abs. - James
09. . Sherlock3 - Conan
10. Edogawa4869 - Eisuke
11. CTU - Araide
12. . Commi-Ninja - Sonoko
13. breva - Kobayashi-sensei
14. * blurfbreg - Chianti
15. shihokudo - Camel
16. . nomemory - Hakuba
17. . Dus - Haibara
18. James Rye - Agasa
19. Holmes - Akai
20. delsie29 - SatÃ´
21. KainTheVampire - Jodie
22. Kaia - Kazuha
23. * Detective Tommy - Akemi
24. * Sebolains - Vermouth (Okiya)
25. . Parkur - Makoto
26. Eevee - Asami
27. . Xcommando - Yukiko KudÃ´
28. . Paix672 - Yumi
29. * Beastly - Pisco

Spoiler: Game Log. Careful, might be messy!

Eve · Post by **Eve** » September 25th, 2010, 6:29 pm

Akonyl wrote:
Eve wrote: Akonyl you should have known that from the Start, I mean I explicitly stated such in the first page, dear , should have trusted me more XD

you expect me to remember what other people said that long ago?

anywya, I'm curious, up until the day when I was gonna be lynched, and I just pretty blatantly went around as BO, what did it say about me?

I've made it so clear LOL yet

Eve wrote:

My Calculator based on keywords that are often used, and like a map it leads to the end result of U, N, and B

Spoiler: My result for this round after Night 1
01. Akonyl B
02. Yurikochan B
03. Conia N
04. Kleene Onigiri U then N then U
05. pofa B
06. PhoenixTears N
07. xpon B
08. Abs. N
09. Sherlock3 N
10. Edogawa4869 B
11. CTU N
12. Commi-Ninja N
13. breva N
14. blurfbreg B
15. shihokudo U
16. nomemory N
17. Dus U then confirmed N
18. James Rye U then confirmed N
19. Holmes N
20. delsie29 N
21. KainTheVampire N
22. Kaia N
23. Detective Tommy B
24. Sebolains B
25. Parkur N
26. Crap4869 N
27. Xcommando N
28. Paix672 N
29. Beastly B
It's NOT 100% accurate though, as result have shown

Kleene Onigiri wrote: don't warn them XD

Well, like Tommy said, it would be boring if I can grasp even more data (Its not like this game didn't provide enough datas it self), and figure out a 90% accurate model

then there will be no point playing if I can just post result in 5 mins before night 1 ends

pofa wrote: @Eve: Shiny... Is it just by keyword no matter who uses it, or does it take into account the types of things the individual players always say when they're town/BO?

key words, tone, and diction, but yep, no matter who used it

except 5 members, and a new player key

Schillok · Post by **Schillok** » September 25th, 2010, 6:30 pm

Akonyl wrote:
Schillok wrote: Well, I did not expect to be able to prevent the BO from telling their PO to each other. I never intended it anyway.
The clause was just there to prevent the ones with the intrigues not having to admit what they try to do if they don't want to.

Beside, none of the POs really required them to "betray" their comrades. They just could have negative consequences on the PO of other members (Beastly, pofa), ignore orders (blurfbreg) or allow them to win with the town in case things are working in favor...

Well, I guess it is time to post the game logs, isn't it?
then why did you introduce it as a rule? Did you expect us to blatantly break the rule in the PMs that you told us to always also send to you? Why even make the rule then? >_>

That's like saying the rule about "dead people aren't allowed to PM people in the game" is only there so that people can break it when they feel it's necessary.

It was no rule. It was just written in your PO.

Dus · Post by **Dus** » September 25th, 2010, 6:31 pm

Eve wrote:
pofa wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote:
You didn't tell each other? D:
We couldn't or we failed them. And like I said, if we'd done it behind Schillok's back (like xpon and Yuriko did), we couldn't be sure we weren't telling a traitor who would rat on us to Schillok.
no seriously,
Which was why I seriously do not like the idea of PO, one bit
it's so easy to have "betrayed your group"

Nope, not at all

Dus wrote:
Eve wrote: As someone who did not participate
I wanna ask how much everyone likes PO? $:-\$
Akonyl wrote:
Eve wrote: Personally, I knew the POs were the hindrance for BO for sure
if we'd been allowed to tell each other what our POs were, maybe it woulda been a bit better, but yeah. Also, if they're anything like xpon's (which was the bomb), they were mostly killing based, which combined with the restrictions on who kills what night would make fulfilling them pretty difficult.
Sorry Schillok but I totally pegged you for a biased GM XD b/c of the PO Idea

1. I didn't think you guys would be allowed to tell the other your PO in the first place anyway, and personally, I think PO, since it would be given by the GM, it will be more or less affecting each side.
2. Leading to my point that BO, being their objective of the WHOLE game is to kill, and having to hold up a poker face, PO is not going to be an advantage considering their PO might as well will reveal them anyway. Town on the other hands have not much restriction on PO since their PO, even if it's a hindrance to their ability, they can still gain from it, and have no problem of completing POs without suspicions
3. The fact that players who traveled will be notify directly in the phase post? I don't get it? it should not have been that obvious?
4. xpon's way of playing is practically suicides for BO
In conclusion:
I'd rather the game stay originally with no POs, and back to vague hints, since there will be more town roles anyway, and PO is pretty one sided... $:-\$
@ Kleene, ohhhh, yours and Dus, and James Rye came out as Undefined,
And that's why our alliance is awesome.
How does this calculator of yours work, anyway?

I thought the POs were a genuinely good idea, if it wasn't for the balancing issues. Maybe there should have been a lot more BOs to make up for that?
HAHAHA.... you cracked me up How does having a more concentration of Bo among a large number of townies help? I can bet you anything that it will further decreases BO chances of winning
PO is a good idea if you're town, what I believe is town has 1. Number advantage, 2. Identity advantage which balanced out with BO 1. Less number among more 2. Trust among members
And Po tipped the scale significantly, from my point of view

My Calculator based on keywords that are often used, and like a map it leads to the end result of U, N, and B

Spoiler: My result for this round after Night 1
01. Akonyl B
02. Yurikochan B
03. Conia N
04. Kleene Onigiri U then N then U
05. pofa B
06. PhoenixTears N
07. xpon B
08. Abs. N
09. Sherlock3 N
10. Edogawa4869 B
11. CTU N
12. Commi-Ninja N
13. breva N
14. blurfbreg B
15. shihokudo U
16. nomemory N
17. Dus U then confirmed N
18. James Rye U then confirmed N
19. Holmes N
20. delsie29 N
21. KainTheVampire N
22. Kaia N
23. Detective Tommy B
24. Sebolains B
25. Parkur N
26. Crap4869 N
27. Xcommando N
28. Paix672 N
29. Beastly B
It's NOT 100% accurate though, as result have shown

Since some of the BOs PO made them traitors, the BO would have been forced to kill some of their own. They can use to that to better blend in, but if it's true what I've heard then 4 out of 8 BOs were traitors. You can't very well have them all lynched without forfeiting your chances of victory. And a bigger concentration of BOs should make it easier for them, even if it makes it more likely for some of them to be discovered.

And are you just using keywords from the thread, or from all over the forum or what? Because I doubt you should have had enough material by the end of night one to make such an accurate guess.

pofa · Post by **pofa** » September 25th, 2010, 6:32 pm

Schillok wrote:
Akonyl wrote:
Schillok wrote: Well, I did not expect to be able to prevent the BO from telling their PO to each other. I never intended it anyway.
The clause was just there to prevent the ones with the intrigues not having to admit what they try to do if they don't want to.

Beside, none of the POs really required them to "betray" their comrades. They just could have negative consequences on the PO of other members (Beastly, pofa), ignore orders (blurfbreg) or allow them to win with the town in case things are working in favor...

Well, I guess it is time to post the game logs, isn't it?
then why did you introduce it as a rule? Did you expect us to blatantly break the rule in the PMs that you told us to always also send to you? Why even make the rule then? >_>

That's like saying the rule about "dead people aren't allowed to PM people in the game" is only there so that people can break it when they feel it's necessary.
It was no rule. It was just written in your PO.

You told us not to do it the first night, though. You clearly said they were not groupwork and we should not discuss them with each other. $:-\$ And if it's written in our official PO from the GM, how is that different from a rule?

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