Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[KainTheVampire]

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!
He's to cool to be Okiya and Gin! o.O

Hello, I'm the resident Okiya is Akai fanatic. Check the following two links and if you have any questions or objections please post.  (I will be fair to the Bourbon crowd even though I know they're all wrong.  )
•Okiya Subaru is Akai Shuuichi: the comprehensive list
•Okiya is Bourbon

still say the same thing o.O i don't think they're alike at all. and trust me it's not because I'm an Akai fan

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

still say the same thing o.O i don't think they're alike at all. and trust me it's not because I'm an Akai fan

Because Akai is acting and in disguise. He doesn't want to get caught and get Mizunashi Rena shot after all the hard work the he, Conan, and the rest of the FBI did to get her back to the Org.

[KainTheVampire]

still say the same thing o.O i don't think they're alike at all. and trust me it's not because I'm an Akai fan

Because Akai is acting and in disguise. He doesn't want to get caught and get Mizunashi Rena shot after all the hard work the he, Conan, and the rest of the FBI did to get her back to the Org.

that sounds reasonable but i still don't really believe it.. but we'll see

[Sherlock Edogawa]

For me... Okiya is not Akai because I've bought in Germany the manga n°67 and I've seen a scene:

Spoiler:

Okiya NEAR Akai... Okiya recognize Akai and... the file end!!! 

[KainTheVampire]

For me... Okiya is not Akai because I've bought in Germany the manga n°67 and I've seen a scene:

Spoiler:

Okiya NEAR Akai... Okiya recognize Akai and... the file end!!! 

YES! love you! *glomp*

[Abs.]

No no no, this is a very important clue!  Check it out:

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!

We must research who this "Akia" is!

What she's saying is that he cannot possibly be "Okiya Subaru" because he is, in fact, "a Kia".

OMG!  THE TRUTH IS REVEALED! 

(I LOLed very, very much)

[PT]

No no no, this is a very important clue!  Check it out:

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!

We must research who this "Akia" is!

What she's saying is that he cannot possibly be "Okiya Subaru" because he is, in fact, "a Kia".

OMG!  THE TRUTH IS REVEALED! 

(I LOLed very, very much)

  BUT SHHHH DON'T TELL ANYONE. IT'S A SECRET!

[Eve]

No no no, this is a very important clue!  Check it out:

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!

We must research who this "Akia" is!

What she's saying is that he cannot possibly be "Okiya Subaru" because he is, in fact, "a Kia".

OMG!  THE TRUTH IS REVEALED! 

(I LOLed very, very much)

  BUT SHHHH DON'T TELL ANYONE. IT'S A SECRET!

Didn't find it funny :V LOL XD then I guess Sonoko Suzuki has something to do with it too

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

For me... Okiya is not Akai because I've bought in Germany the manga n°67 and I've seen a scene:

Spoiler:

Okiya NEAR Akai... Okiya recognize Akai and... the file end!!!  ;D

YES! love you! *glomp*

I'm afraid he is referring to Okiya seeing scar Akai back in the red T-shirt case, not some unknown spoilers. Sherlock is making the assumption that scar Akai = the real Akai.

[Detective Tommy]

@Chekhov MacGuffin,

I read your Okiya=Akai thread, but I'm confused about some stuff.

1) Does Conan know that Akai was "killed" by Kir? I faintly remember Conan telling Jodie that everything will be okay. But I can't remember if that was before or after Akai's "death".

2) Does Conan know about the organizations newest member: Bourbon?

3) Does Conan know Okiya=Akai? Because Conan was shocked to see Scarred Akai. I'm assuming he knows that Akai is disguising as someone = Okiya. And if Conan knows about Bourbon, I assumed he would put together the pieces and deduct that Bourbon=Scarred Akai.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

1) Does Conan know that Akai was "killed" by Kir? I faintly remember Conan telling Jodie that everything will be okay. But I can't remember if that was before or after Akai's "death".

Yes, he would have had to be in on it from the beginning in order to make sure Akai touched his phone with his right hand in front of everyone (by pretending to have an idea that Agasa could take Kir out of the hospital) and also to make sure Jodie got the phone Kusudu Rikumichi touched. Conan later checked the phone's serial number later to make sure the body swap worked out. I discuss the planning a bit more here. (Warning, it's another long post...)

2) Does Conan know about the organizations newest member: Bourbon?

Conan first learned about Bourbon when Jodie called him about it back in the red, yellow, white case where Okiya first appears. Okiya confirmed for Conan that someone was running around disguised as Akai at the end of the red shirts case.

3) Does Conan know Okiya=Akai? Because Conan was shocked to see Scarred Akai. I'm assuming he knows that Akai is disguising as someone = Okiya. And if Conan knows about Bourbon, I assumed he would put together the pieces and deduct that Bourbon=Scarred Akai.

Yes he does know Okiya is Akai. That's why he didn't mind letting Okiya stay next door and has been disregarding Haibara's senses about Okiya. Even though Conan knew where Akai was staying, I think they had a "secret handshake" of sorts planned out so Conan would be able to identify which resident was Akai when he met him. I suspect the "secret handshake" was Akai quoting a line from Sherlock Holmes to Conan.
I think Conan did put the pieces together about scar Akai being Bourbon.

[KuroyashiRusuba]

Clues and interesting tidbits I discovered that point to Okiya’s identity (and some towards Bourbon’s)

In the chapters concerning the movie studio case where Yukiko brings Conan and the Shounen Tantei to the studio, a shadowed figure similar in outlined appearance to Okiya is seen and can be definitely proved not to be Akai. Thus if the outline figure is proven to be Okiya then Okiya is not Akai.

Okiya seems to be ambidextrous rather than solely left handed - the time he was brushing his teeth he held the toothbrush in his left hand (which is generally done with one's dominant hand), then during the red shirt case Okiya started to use his cell phone with his right hand, (which pressing the numbers on a cell is generally something much easier and readily done with one's dominant hand as well, unless one's dominant hand is occupied, which it wasn't in Okiya's case.) During neither of these times was Okiya expecting to be seen by someone he'd have to fool, so it is reasonable to assume he is comfortable using either hand.

The only other person that I'm sure is ambidextrous as well is Yusaku - proven during his first appearance in the manga when he disguised himself as the Night Baron. In those chapters when he held the toy gun he switched which hand he held it in nearly every other panel, which if it wasn’t an oversight on Gosho’s part, clearly was meant to prove Yusaku could use either hand equally - since aiming a firearm is done primarily with one’s dominant hand. (Keep in mind this took place early on in the series when Gosho wasn’t sure if it would continue so long, and thus had to put enough clues in each chapter in case he had to end it soon).  As for Akai’s handedness, I pretty much believe he’s left handed even though at times he seemed to use his right hand, but those times were either when his left hand was occupied or to serve other purposes (holding the cell phone from Conan so as to help with his faking-death plan).

When Okiya and Conan first met and Okiya spoke the Sherlock Holmes quote “My dear Watson, you as a medical man are continually gaining light as to the tendencies of a child by the study of the parents. Don’t you see that the converse is equally valid.â€

[Abs.]

2 points:

Haibara at times detects Black Org. vibes from Okiya, but this doesn’t mean Okiya is bad since Haibara admitted to sensing the vibes on her sister, also she didn’t sense the vibes on Numabuchi.

Haibara sensed the vibes on her sister only when she was preparing to do the billion yen robbery.

the connection based on pronunciation between Bourbon and Baron is highly relevant - Bourbon (baabon), Baron (Baaron).

Baron is pronounced ãƒ

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

In the chapters concerning the movie studio case where Yukiko brings Conan and the Shounen Tantei to the studio, a shadowed figure similar in outlined appearance to Okiya is seen and can be definitely proved not to be Akai. Thus if the outline figure is proven to be Okiya then Okiya is not Akai.

Kinoshita Fusae and Billy are the top contenders for Yukiko and the DB' stalkers.

I made a half-hearted case against Okiya being Yuusaku here. I copied it below. My biggest concern has always been why would he bother disguising? In any case it's a much better theory than the Okiya = Bourbon theory and you made a good case for it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed Yuusaku might be ambidextrous. If in the London Case the mystery lady winds up being Yukiko, perhaps we will also get Yuusaku on the side which would clarify things.

Spoiler: Arguments against Okiya being Yuusaku

This is a much stronger theory than the Okiya is a member of the Org theory, but there are some contradictions I can come up with.
1. Okiya is left handed while Kudo Yuusaku appears to be right handed although I haven’t ruled out the possibility of him being ambidextrous.
2. If Okiya was Yuusaku, why would Conan hide information about himself and family albums and the like from his own father? It is pointless because Yuusaku already knows Conan’s secret and probably also knows Haibara as well since Yukiko knows and Yukiko is definitely the type to spill the beans to her husband. V41-4 page 11
3. Ran has the feeling she shouldn’t talk about Shinichi in front of Okiya ("Message" V61-9 639). Why would Shinichi’s father, even in disguise, give her those vibes? 
4. It seems unusual that Prof. Agasa wouldn’t have felt like he knew Okiya from somewhere considering that Yuusaku is a close friend and old neighbor of his.
5. Okiya gives Haibara the black org vibes. She has never had any false positives although she has had false negatives. Yuusaku as far as we know was never in the org and it would require a conspiracy on the part of Yuusaku to keep the knowledge of his dark past from his son. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
6. Okiya seems to recognize scar Akai ("The Bomber's Aim" V67-6 702). There is no known connection between scar Akai and Yuusaku although there definitely is one if Okiya is Akai. As in 5 it would require a conspiracy on Yuusaku’s part which to date there is no evidence of.

There are clues however connecting Yusaku and Bourbon, showing that Yusaku at least knows about Bourbon. The main clue is how Bourbon is pronounced in Japanese - it is similar to how Baron is pronounced in Japanese - as in the Night Baron. ...the connection based on pronunciation between Bourbon and Baron is highly relevant - Bourbon (baabon), Baron (Baaron).

I don't think this works for reasons I posted on another thread.

the conjectured real names of Gin and Vodka - Uosuka is similarly pronounce and written like Uokka (jp vodka pronunciation), and Jin is pronounced like Gin)

The translators looked into this and found that there was no basis in canon for the "Jin Kurosawa and Izuka Saburou" names in the guestbook thing

Abs. would probably be the person to ask about the wordplay. It's not my particular strength and Abs. has a much better feel for what is intuitive and what feels forced to fit than I do.

Haibara at times detects Black Org. vibes from Okiya, but this doesn’t mean Okiya is bad since Haibara admitted to sensing the vibes on her sister, also she didn’t sense the vibes on Numabuchi.

Haibara sensed the vibes on her sister only when she was preparing to do the billion yen robbery.

I don't remember Haibara ever getting the vibes from Akemi about the robbery... Where was this?

[Abs.]

Haibara at times detects Black Org. vibes from Okiya, but this doesn’t mean Okiya is bad since Haibara admitted to sensing the vibes on her sister, also she didn’t sense the vibes on Numabuchi.

Haibara sensed the vibes on her sister only when she was preparing to do the billion yen robbery.

I don't remember Haibara ever getting the vibes from Akemi about the robbery... Where was this?

Once again, I depart on an epic quest for Chekhov...

Be back soon!

Edit:

Alright, got it.  She says so in Volume 35, File 10 (File 360 - last file of Mitsuhiko getting lost in the forest), Page 10, Panel 6.1:
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