Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[AICHAN]

Okiya can't be Akai because of my new theorie:

Akai = Gin.

Akai has a multiply or shizoprenic personality and is ALSO Gin!
Sure, we saw both of the two at the same places, but that could be hallucinations.

yeah...and he shoot himself in front of his comrades during the "clash of the red and black"...

[kentasaiba]

Actually Kir wasn't there, just another halluzination. At that time "akai" died and the "Gin-personality" was the only one that survived.

[AICHAN]

Actually Kir wasn't there, just another halluzination. At that time "akai" died and the "Gin-personality" was the only one that survived.

oh,ok that make a lot of sense now

[Dus]

I didn't read thru the entire thread, so this might have been discussed before:

IF we assume Subaru to be Shuichi, then this means he has already used this Identitity before he 'died', since ha had already lived in that house for a while before it burned down. This does make sense, as the BO knows his face and nobody seems to know where he lived anyway. (We do with Jodie) Yet, I don't think that this would be the most inconspicous cover, it could easily be refuted that he is studying engeneering.
I also think the Holmes quote was a codeword for Subaru and Conan to recognize each other. This makes more sense, if Subaru only knows Conan through Shuichi.
Something else struck me as odd in the arsonist case: Conan obviously knew that Subaru was living in that house, even if he may not have immediately recognized which of the three tenants he was. And Kaito describes one of them as red i.e. akai. No reaction from him whatsoever. Yet Ran mentioning red shirts does provoke a reaction.
Here's another one: Why does Subaru look at his mobile right before he notices ScarAkai? Did he get a text from some-one pointing out his presence? Shuichi mayhaps? But I don't see any indication of his mobile ringing. So did he get it out to text Kogoro the solution to the case? But he only received ONE text....

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I didn't read thru the entire thread, so this might have been discussed before:
IF we assume Subaru to be Shuichi, then this means he has already used this Identitity before he 'died', since ha had already lived in that house for a while before it burned down. This does make sense, as the BO knows his face and nobody seems to know where he lived anyway. (We do with Jodie) Yet, I don't think that this would be the most inconspicous cover, it could easily be refuted that he is studying engeneering.

I made a case for acquiring the apartment after faking death somewhere in here. A garden's appearance can quickly improve (as in days) when taken care of well. That's the only indication of time passage, so it could be plausible that Shuuichi just got an apartment quickly and began undertaking activities that would get the neighbors to notice him and make him feel like a part of the apartment's quickly. He could have disguised as Subaru beforehand since he is on the Org's hitlist and might not want to be wandering around off mission in his usual face so to speak. The only knock against that is why do Jodie, Camel, or James not recognize him? Did Akai not let them come over for security reasons?

Here's another one: Why does Subaru look at his mobile right before he notices ScarAkai? Did he get a text from some-one pointing out his presence? Shuichi mayhaps? But I don't see any indication of his mobile ringing. So did he get it out to text Kogoro the solution to the case? But he only received ONE text....

Subaru was looking for info about the case, since he was trying to solve it too. I presume he has a phone that can access the internet. He thinks snowy mountains. It was scar Akai who texted the solution of the case to Kogoro on the cell phone he "found" belonging to the guy. Scar Akai might not have had internet access on his borrowed phone and thus didn't reference the past case in the mountains. If Subaru was the one who texted Kogoro, he would have included the past case in his solution reference. I'm not sure you wanted all that info, but there it is anyway.

[Dus]

Jodie & Co. probably didn't know where he had lived or they wouldn't have used Conan's mobile as a means of providing finger prints. They could have something else from his house with only Shuichi's fingerprints. Also they might have gone to his house to remove stuff that points to his being a foreign agent. Akai is a bit of a lone ranger.

I should have thought of the Internet earlier. Makes sense. But still: If he solved the case why didn't he tell anyone about it? He did check on the BO members but texting Kogoro wouldn't take long. I don't think he solved the case just to prove to himself how smart he is.

I was already sure, that ScarAkai texted Kogoro. Why else would he have the relevant mobile? Says a lot about his character, so they could very well be brothers.

Thanks for all the info, I'll try and plough through the 30+ pages of discussion some time.

[Schezza]

I didn't really think about it yet, but I'd say the ending of 581 makes much more sense if you take Subaru being Akai into account. And Bourbon disguised himself as Akai to lure whatsoever out..

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Jodie & Co. probably didn't know where he had lived or they wouldn't have used Conan's mobile as a means of providing finger prints. They could have something else from his house with only Shuichi's fingerprints. Also they might have gone to his house to remove stuff that points to his being a foreign agent. Akai is a bit of a lone ranger.

Jodie might have used Conan's mobile anyway because it makes for a plausible story to tell to the police about how she could have some unknown man's fingerprints. Since Shuu is left handed, the FBI would need something that Akai would have been sure to touch with his right hand that also fits the criteria of not being suspicious for a random stranger to get a hold of. Furthermore, they couldn't dust the fingerprints of the item ahead of time to be certain he touched it right handed because the fingerprint dust would raise police suspicions. In terms of convenience, the cellphone was a pretty decent pick.
You make a decent point though in that the FBI could have dug through Akai's premises to find something that would have avoided involving Conan. A book would be an easy thing to grab that has both sets on fingerprints on it for certain and is something a stranger might pick up and try to return. You are also right about Akai's personality; it would be rather like him to keep his living arrangements a secret.

I think Akai probably got the apartment "post-mortem" for two reasons. The first is if Akai had the apartment beforehand, he should be disguising as Okiya when he got it. Moving out and then back in while in disguise would be too risky as someone, like the observant landlord's kid, might recognize he's the same person. I think it's likely Okiya rented the apartment rather than Akai. Although there was no "fake death" plan at that time and it would be extra work to maintain dual appearances, it's possible Akai may have been disguising as Okiya before faking his death; however, in all of Akai's previous appearances, he's not in disguise even when staking out Vermouth or scouting out around town. Leaving the apartment as Akai constantly would raise suspicion from the residents, so he should applying and removing his Okiya disguise elsewhere. I don't see the logic in disguising as Okiya only to enter the apartment he owns while undisguising for everything else he is doing and losing the benefit of being an unknown face to the Org.
The second reason is its location is unusually close to Conan and Haibara. It could be an accidental coincidence that he picked an apartment close to the shrunken teens before he knew about them, but by comparison, Jodie's place is pretty far out of the way. Okiya's place would be on the same block of buildings in a subsection basically adjacent to the Professor's based on the Japanese address system right. In the case before Okiya's introduction, Suspect Eisuke, the concept of shadowing someone close enough to watch and protect them was discussed. I suspect this little discussion was a subtle hint to what Akai might be doing in the current situation.

Also there's a list of everything known about scar Akai assuming he is Bourbon.

[nanilola]

Got this from the ongoing anime Shiki:

Okiagari - legend about the dead rising up at night to punish misbehaving children

Oh well, it's just the Okia-part and dead rising-part that made me think about Okiya Subaru.

Another one of those puns involving Okiya Subaru's name like Oki = Dai, which is Akai's fake name in the org. 

It's just fun to think about since I know nothing on how these stuff are actually written in kanji.

[KainTheVampire]

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!
He's to cool to be Okiya and Gin! o.O

[mangaluva]

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya?

I could write out the whole exposition, but i'm pretty sure Chekhov already did somewhere.

[Abs.]

No no no, this is a very important clue!  Check it out:

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!

We must research who this "Akia" is!

[PT]

No no no, this is a very important clue!  Check it out:

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!

We must research who this "Akia" is!

What she's saying is that he cannot possibly be "Okiya Subaru" because he is, in fact, "a Kia".

[KainTheVampire]

No no no, this is a very important clue!  Check it out:

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!

We must research who this "Akia" is!

umm ^^''
*Akai
sorry the keyborad was screwed up D:

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

why is everyone sayin that Akai is Okiya? Akai is just Akia!
He's to cool to be Okiya and Gin! o.O

Hello, I'm the resident Okiya is Akai fanatic. Check the following two links and if you have any questions or objections please post.  (I will be fair to the Bourbon crowd even though I know they're all wrong.  ;))
•Okiya Subaru is Akai Shuuichi: the comprehensive list
•Okiya is Bourbon