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The BO suspected a spy in the organization, however, they do not know who.
so they have announced to all their members about a new member called Bourbon who's professional on intelligence gathering to make the spy reveal these information's to his boss.
However, there is actually no "Bourbon", its just a fake member, more like a bait to capture the spy.
How will this affect the story:
the BO would realize that there "is" a spy and well investigate, once they found out that Kir is the spy, they will try to kill her.
the CIA/FBI will try to save her of course, however they do not know that there is no "Bourbon", so they'll hunt for a non-existing person, which is an advantage for the BO.
a thought came across to me after reading file 680.
my assumption about okiya is bourbon remains unchanged. how could yusaku be bourbon when he was conan's (shinichi) dad? that just doesn't mean any sense to me. if you were to say he was a double crosser, then that would meant that yusaku, the famous author, was alliance with the bo. sure he had the brain, he was the father of the famous kudo shinichi. beside as a writer as his job, yusaku helped the police and even chased down the current kaitou kid's father, fair and square i might add. why would one writer, who although had better deduction skills, not to mention famous beside helping inspector megure solving cases in some occasions be bourbon when he was on justice side? i highly doubt him as the role of a double crosser.
i understand why people most favour with akai was bourbon. he double crossed once, so it didn't hurt him to double cross again. however, let's not forget a fact that akai had a grudge with the bo. he sneaked into the syndicate to gather information, about what and for what purpose that we don't know yet. he even teamed up with conan, along with his FBI colleagues, to head on head with the bo. if he was bourbon, just why he had the bo tailed on him? a deceiving? akai was given the name 'silver bullet' by gin, meaning that the possibility of him, the same akai who possible survived from the bomb that planted by mizunashi rena, couldn't be bourbon. beside, i don't think one can make an assumption that akai and bourbon was one of the same just by looking through their face outlines and features. it is true that they looked somewhat similar, but that doesn't mean that they are the same person. -_-
as for why conan let okiya lived inside his house? it was because he could surveillance him, with ease with the help of the professor. the professor would report to conan if there was anything weird going around. not to mention there was ai and her watchful eyes and high sense of alert. ai feared of akai was because the supposed deceased FBI was in the syndicate before. i suspected he somehow aware that ai was once a member of the bo, but didn't know she was the sister to his deceased lover, miyano akemi. he did the trailing on ai for that, not knowing she had betrayed the organisation. and ai, she didn't know akai was a FBI. sure she heard of rye, akai's code name when he was with the bo, but had never net him in person. sure she knew there was an akai and he was a FBI, but that was she heard it from conan, who had met and in fact teamed up to against the syndicate. however that wasn't the case for ai. anyway back to okiya, conan hid his stuff, photos or albums or anything that showed a sign of shinichi being alive when he was supposed to be dead, away so that bourbon would believe shinichi was really dead. conan would realise something amiss, touch or move if okiya (or bourbon) went through his stuff.
why conan asking okiya for help in the stactic murder case (file 637), to replace the gasoline to water, was because he needed to see whether okiya really trustworthy enough. it was like a stone killing two birds. he asked okiya a favour, but at the same time, he also knew okiya wouldn't do anything rash if he was who conan thought he was. whether conan might or might not know that okiya was there to evasdrop his deduction, that we don't really know yet. we all know conan was a sherlock holmes' fan, and okiya was akin to conan, but that doesn't mean that conan wouldn't suspect him. who said a member of the syndicate wouldn't be modest being a fan of sherlock holmes?
remember when ran gave okiya a head on kick when she saw him inside shinichi's house? she felt something wasn't right, right? that was because he was forging it. imagine if he dodged ran's kick. that would make him even more suspicion, woudn't it? he was supposed to seen as someone who didn't know how to fight, or someone who was defenseless, so he dogded; however, he didn't want to get knock out, so he dogded at the right time to make sure he left a small yet innocent looking bruise. in short, okiya was in purpose to receive that kick from ran.
Conan324 wrote:
I did not steal your theory sstimson , nor do i feel like it.
Don't get so worked up. sstimson just meant to say he had the same idea, the "idea-stealing thing" was only meant half-jokingly. And don't forget that not everyone here is a natural English speaker, some people (like me) will sometimes have difficulties to transfer their thoughts without creating misunderstandings. Or will misunderstand some messages themselves. Try to keep that in mind please.
And I like the theory. But I think it would be more interesting to see a new member (i.e. Bourbon) of the BO again, it should be a large syndicate after all.
To ad to my thoughts. Kir is highly suspected by the BO. But she is still too usefully to kill. So what I am thinking they do is watch what they say around her ,plant the rumor about Bourbon, and keep reminding her she is a killer to make her think she DID kill akia. It almost certaiin they know she is a spy. The real question is does the BO have a MOLE and did they get one in either the CIA or FBI. This mole would have to be close to the top. Watch Tinker, Tailor, Solder, Spy which was on PBS to see the kind of mole I am referring to
I still think Okiya Subaru is Bourbon. Gosho isn't known for being straightforward, I know, but we don't really know what his objective is, so the curveball could be that he's really looking into Shinichi instead of Shiho or something of that nature. According to 509, it seems like he's been around the city and attending grad. school classes for a while, so I find it hard to believe that he's actually Shuuichi.
I also belive that Shuuichi is dead, and that Gin now trusts Kir as a result of the assassination. If he was still alive, the whole "driving a wedge into the Organization" and sacrifice dealy would be meaningless. I think this fits better with Akai's character; it's his fault that Akemi died, maybe he wanted to do something to make up for it (just like Agent Camel did) by saving Kir and, subsequently, the chances of destroying the Organization and protecting Akemi's sister. In my opinion it would be a shame for Gosho to take away all of these possibilities since this is a mystery series, and not all questions are going to be answered.
These are, of course, just theories; I'm sure Gosho will surprise us all with an explanation for Okiya that will never be predicted. Remember there were hints thrown out for Vermouth being Dr. Araide that apparently no one noticed, especially in the first few minutes of 340 (love that part, by the way). Just keep an eye out... O.-
Conan324 wrote:
My theory is the most reasonable...yet.
please do not spam my thread.
I did not steal your theory sstimson , nor do i feel like it.
You're an asshole.
Umandsf wrote:
Jing wrote:
I work in mysterious ways.
That proves it, then. Jing = God. [white]Not really.[/white]
thriceplus wrote:
Definitely a possible theory. But I don't think we have enough information on Bourbon thus far, so anything right now is possible. He could be a man-eating plant from Jupiter for all we know.
Ocelot wrote:
kirhidemi wrote:
hmm.. maybe its true.. and i dont think that kir will fall into that kind of bait. by the way.. does the B.O has a clue that kir is the spy?? just like what happen to clash of red and black does the b.O still suspected kir inspite that he kill shu in front of Gin's eyes.. hehe..
Episode 501:
Well, maybe he still suspects her.
That was episode 501, before Kir shot Akai in the head. I think Kir's pretty safe after shooting Akai (unless Gin saw through a trick or something).
thanks... just as i thought hehe.. i think kir will be the next dead meat in the B.O hehehe..
how is that possible, okiya is a university student.
Okiya can say he is the tooth fairy, have a matching dress and I.D. card stating as such but as long as the evidence remains, no one is going to take him seriously.
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Trying to start a club about magical ponies!
how is that possible, okiya is a university student.
Okiya can say he is the tooth fairy, have a matching dress and I.D. card stating as such but as long as the evidence remains, no one is going to take him seriously.
ROFL i agree. noone saw him going to university, right? so there is no prof. but if he would want he could start studying at university. i dont think someone can forbid him to do that. yes i know there are some points what are trying to deny a posibility what okiya is akai, but there are so many hints that show okiya as akai
Aside from that, he probably can get forged papers and change the computer data about his identity. Just like prof. Agasa did for Shinichi. It doesn't necessarily have to be Akai himself, I bet he got some nice contacts in the right places. And they don't have to be from the FBI (certainly not in this case), Akai was always kind of a loner who would choose who to trust himself. He'll probably have some "friends" somewhere who are able to help him out while staying tight-lipped.
Besides, if Agasa was able to do it, I can't see why Akai wouldn't be able to.
Makes me wonder what kind of internet security that city has, seriously. But I guess as long as it's not a governmental website, it probably still makes a willing and easy target. I'd love to know what Akai invented for everything concerning his identity and family tree. ^^
That is, IF Akai is indeed Okiya of course ... (gotta stay impartial after all)
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