Thanks grone4ever89 for mentioning it!
I was wondering what the original line was, too, as it points to the possibility that Okiya may be a woman, according to the Jpn text.
@yume_no_meitantei : how come you could be so sure that Haibara hasn't met Akai ? Based on her reaction when Akai had driven past her several times, it's likely she knows who he was.
I bet Akai knows who Haibara is, even in her distorted form.
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if Okiya ends up beeing a woman no one will expect but the rate on that very low XD
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I'm very confident that Okiya is NOT one of the Dark Org. members.
1. His remarks regarding criminals in this chapter are indicative of his sense of Justice. Just like Conan's.
2. Conan had asked Okiya to help him in a case (remove gasoline in Dr. Agasa's car) --> To him, Okiya is trustworthy.
3. There's no way Conan could've let a mafia live in his house!
1. His remarks regarding criminals in this chapter are indicative of his sense of Justice. Just like Conan's.
2. Conan had asked Okiya to help him in a case (remove gasoline in Dr. Agasa's car) --> To him, Okiya is trustworthy.
3. There's no way Conan could've let a mafia live in his house!
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Gosho is going to keep trying to mislead us from here on, but I'm also of the opinion that Okiya is Akai.
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azure-kaz
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If Okiya is actually shiuchi-kun then i'll do a biiiiiiiiiiiiig shreik..-cuz i'm a shuichi-fan-
its soo cool hows he always there at the right time..XDDD
... I doubt aoyama will revive him though..the fingerprints were proof that hes dead right?? -curses THAT person-
its soo cool hows he always there at the right time..XDDD
... I doubt aoyama will revive him though..the fingerprints were proof that hes dead right?? -curses THAT person-
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@Tenken: Akai knows Haibara ofc because she's a wanted member from BO. She was supposed to be under protection from FBI but she rejected it anyway 
& Haibara's reaction when she sees Akai is some sort of "6th sense"... usually happens on BO members; take note Akai was BO before
& Haibara's reaction when she sees Akai is some sort of "6th sense"... usually happens on BO members; take note Akai was BO before
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here sumting 2 give you more hope that his not dead.one of my drawings i did a while back :)
1 eye -closed
By aluecard at 2008-10-01
2 eye open
By aluecard at 2008-10-01
i still think that Okiya is Akai. my self and i hope he is evan tho thay say he is not
1 eye -closed
By aluecard at 2008-10-01
2 eye open
By aluecard at 2008-10-01
i still think that Okiya is Akai. my self and i hope he is evan tho thay say he is not
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@Aluecard: great drawings !! 
99% strong that Okiya = Akai [though there's 1% that G.A. will pull the rug ]
Revive? He's not dead yet
Gosho is going to keep trying to mislead us from here on, but I'm also of the opinion that Okiya is Akai.
Same here ~!azure-kaz wrote: If Okiya is actually shiuchi-kun then i'll do a biiiiiiiiiiiiig shreik..-cuz i'm a shuichi-fan-
its soo cool hows he always there at the right time..XDDD
... I doubt aoyama will revive him though..the fingerprints were proof that hes dead right?? -curses THAT person-
99% strong that Okiya = Akai [though there's 1% that G.A. will pull the rug ]Revive? He's not dead yet
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lol aluecard u sneaky .... u added FBI to okiya
anyways nice drawin
u added FBI to okiya anyways nice drawin
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I think Okiya is not Shuichi.....
I think he's a very intelligent person of the Black organization.....
That's only what I think though!!!
I hope he is Shuichi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
I think he's a very intelligent person of the Black organization.....
That's only what I think though!!!
I hope he is Shuichi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............................
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kureinai
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i'm not sure if anyone ever posted this, but in the "red, white, yellow" case, okiya was the Red Man and in Japanese, red is "akai" ... maybe hinting that okiya = akai?
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cdgal
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a thought came across to me after reading file 680.
my assumption about okiya is bourbon remains unchanged. how could yusaku be bourbon when he was conan's (shinichi) dad? that just doesn't mean any sense to me. if you were to say he was a double crosser, then that would meant that yusaku, the famous author, was alliance with the bo. sure he had the brain, he was the father of the famous kudo shinichi. beside as a writer as his job, yusaku helped the police and even chased down the current kaitou kid's father, fair and square i might add. why would one writer, who although had better deduction skills, not to mention famous beside helping inspector megure solving cases in some occasions be bourbon when he was on justice side? i highly doubt him as the role of a double crosser.
i understand why people most favour with akai was bourbon. he double crossed once, so it didn't hurt him to double cross again. however, let's not forget a fact that akai had a grudge with the bo. he sneaked into the syndicate to gather information, about what and for what purpose that we don't know yet. he even teamed up with conan, along with his FBI colleagues, to head on head with the bo. if he was bourbon, just why he had the bo tailed on him? a deceiving? akai was given the name 'silver bullet' by gin, meaning that the possibility of him, the same akai who possible survived from the bomb that planted by mizunashi rena, couldn't be bourbon. beside, i don't think one can make an assumption that akai and bourbon was one of the same just by looking through their face outlines and features. it is true that they looked somewhat similar, but that doesn't mean that they are the same person. -_-
as for why conan let okiya lived inside his house? it was because he could surveillance him, with ease with the help of the professor. the professor would report to conan if there was anything weird going around. not to mention there was ai and her watchful eyes and high sense of alert. ai feared of akai was because the supposed deceased FBI was in the syndicate before. i suspected he somehow aware that ai was once a member of the bo, but didn't know she was the sister to his deceased lover, miyano akemi. he did the trailing on ai for that, not knowing she had betrayed the organisation. and ai, she didn't know akai was a FBI. sure she heard of rye, akai's code name when he was with the bo, but had never net him in person. sure she knew there was an akai and he was a FBI, but that was she heard it from conan, who had met and in fact teamed up to against the syndicate. however that wasn't the case for ai. anyway back to okiya, conan hid his stuff, photos or albums or anything that showed a sign of shinichi being alive when he was supposed to be dead, away so that bourbon would believe shinichi was really dead. conan would realise something amiss, touch or move if okiya (or bourbon) went through his stuff.
why conan asking okiya for help in the stactic murder case (file 637), to replace the gasoline to water, was because he needed to see whether okiya really trustworthy enough. it was like a stone killing two birds. he asked okiya a favour, but at the same time, he also knew okiya wouldn't do anything rash if he was who conan thought he was. whether conan might or might not know that okiya was there to evasdrop his deduction, that we don't really know yet. we all know conan was a sherlock holmes' fan, and okiya was akin to conan, but that doesn't mean that conan wouldn't suspect him. who said a member of the syndicate wouldn't be modest being a fan of sherlock holmes?
remember when ran gave okiya a head on kick when she saw him inside shinichi's house? she felt something wasn't right, right? that was because he was forging it. imagine if he dodged ran's kick. that would make him even more suspicion, woudn't it? he was supposed to seen as someone who didn't know how to fight, or someone who was defenseless, so he dogded; however, he didn't want to get knock out, so he dogded at the right time to make sure he left a small yet innocent looking bruise. in short, okiya was in purpose to receive that kick from ran.
p/s: please pardon my grammar and tenses
my assumption about okiya is bourbon remains unchanged. how could yusaku be bourbon when he was conan's (shinichi) dad? that just doesn't mean any sense to me. if you were to say he was a double crosser, then that would meant that yusaku, the famous author, was alliance with the bo. sure he had the brain, he was the father of the famous kudo shinichi. beside as a writer as his job, yusaku helped the police and even chased down the current kaitou kid's father, fair and square i might add. why would one writer, who although had better deduction skills, not to mention famous beside helping inspector megure solving cases in some occasions be bourbon when he was on justice side? i highly doubt him as the role of a double crosser.
i understand why people most favour with akai was bourbon. he double crossed once, so it didn't hurt him to double cross again. however, let's not forget a fact that akai had a grudge with the bo. he sneaked into the syndicate to gather information, about what and for what purpose that we don't know yet. he even teamed up with conan, along with his FBI colleagues, to head on head with the bo. if he was bourbon, just why he had the bo tailed on him? a deceiving? akai was given the name 'silver bullet' by gin, meaning that the possibility of him, the same akai who possible survived from the bomb that planted by mizunashi rena, couldn't be bourbon. beside, i don't think one can make an assumption that akai and bourbon was one of the same just by looking through their face outlines and features. it is true that they looked somewhat similar, but that doesn't mean that they are the same person. -_-
as for why conan let okiya lived inside his house? it was because he could surveillance him, with ease with the help of the professor. the professor would report to conan if there was anything weird going around. not to mention there was ai and her watchful eyes and high sense of alert. ai feared of akai was because the supposed deceased FBI was in the syndicate before. i suspected he somehow aware that ai was once a member of the bo, but didn't know she was the sister to his deceased lover, miyano akemi. he did the trailing on ai for that, not knowing she had betrayed the organisation. and ai, she didn't know akai was a FBI. sure she heard of rye, akai's code name when he was with the bo, but had never net him in person. sure she knew there was an akai and he was a FBI, but that was she heard it from conan, who had met and in fact teamed up to against the syndicate. however that wasn't the case for ai. anyway back to okiya, conan hid his stuff, photos or albums or anything that showed a sign of shinichi being alive when he was supposed to be dead, away so that bourbon would believe shinichi was really dead. conan would realise something amiss, touch or move if okiya (or bourbon) went through his stuff.
why conan asking okiya for help in the stactic murder case (file 637), to replace the gasoline to water, was because he needed to see whether okiya really trustworthy enough. it was like a stone killing two birds. he asked okiya a favour, but at the same time, he also knew okiya wouldn't do anything rash if he was who conan thought he was. whether conan might or might not know that okiya was there to evasdrop his deduction, that we don't really know yet. we all know conan was a sherlock holmes' fan, and okiya was akin to conan, but that doesn't mean that conan wouldn't suspect him. who said a member of the syndicate wouldn't be modest being a fan of sherlock holmes?
remember when ran gave okiya a head on kick when she saw him inside shinichi's house? she felt something wasn't right, right? that was because he was forging it. imagine if he dodged ran's kick. that would make him even more suspicion, woudn't it? he was supposed to seen as someone who didn't know how to fight, or someone who was defenseless, so he dogded; however, he didn't want to get knock out, so he dogded at the right time to make sure he left a small yet innocent looking bruise. in short, okiya was in purpose to receive that kick from ran.
p/s: please pardon my grammar and tenses
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There are two possibilities.
1-Conan know okiya is akai.
2-Conan think okiya is bourbon and can surveillance him.But where is akai ?
I think Akai is Bourbon and organised his death with Conan for infiltrate the MIB.
There is a lot of evidences.
Sorry for the lack of orthography.
I'm a new people on the forum and I don't speak english very good.
I live in France and I'm a fan of Detective Conan.In France,the publication of DETECTIVE CONAN 59 will happened this summer,for a long time.So,I decided to read Conan on onemanga.com.
1-Conan know okiya is akai.
2-Conan think okiya is bourbon and can surveillance him.But where is akai ?
I think Akai is Bourbon and organised his death with Conan for infiltrate the MIB.
There is a lot of evidences.
Sorry for the lack of orthography.
I'm a new people on the forum and I don't speak english very good.
I live in France and I'm a fan of Detective Conan.In France,the publication of DETECTIVE CONAN 59 will happened this summer,for a long time.So,I decided to read Conan on onemanga.com.
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cdgal
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presuming okiya was akai, then who was this akai in the recent case on bank robbery? a pretender? i don't think it was vermouth in disguised as she did mentioned and i quote "we don't need two silver bullets". besides, for what reason would she disguise as akai when he, to them, had died in the bomb explosion? remember mizunashi rena was supposed to kill him...
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I dunno, I could also be the CIA investigating things since they haven't really appeared anywhere yet.
And I think Akai would be very stupid if he just showed himself in the open like that, like a walking target wearing gigantic neon letters SHOOT ME. And it was kind of suspicious how Gosho hid Akai's face when he shot the robber at the end to save Conan, and how he kept quiet all the time. So whoever Okiya might be, the Akai we last saw is certainly not the real one in my opinion.
And I think Akai would be very stupid if he just showed himself in the open like that, like a walking target wearing gigantic neon letters SHOOT ME. And it was kind of suspicious how Gosho hid Akai's face when he shot the robber at the end to save Conan, and how he kept quiet all the time. So whoever Okiya might be, the Akai we last saw is certainly not the real one in my opinion.